Ohio Proposes Paternity Consent for Abortion Law

How this is unconstitutional.

This may be a little extreme. Why don't they just pass a law allowing paper abortions?

It makes no sense to try and pass laws that allow a man to determine what a woman can or can't do with her body, as if the feminist rhetoric machine would ever allow such a thing. Frankly, it's none of his business anyhow, and SCOTUS has already ruled on that issue.

As an MRA, what I'm after are laws intended to prevent women from using their nearly endless choices in reproduction to force men into paternity. As you said bryanh, we need laws allowing a man to decline paternity if a woman continues a pregnancy without his consent, not laws preventing a woman from making her own choices. This isn't a zero-sum game: men can gain rights without women losing them, and vice versa.

It's so simple - there's only four possible scenarios:

1) Man and woman both want child = equal rights and responsibilities as parents
2) Man wants child but woman doesn't = woman aborts pregnancy, or woman carries child to term (entirely her choice), but surrenders it to father, woman is relieved of all parental rights and responsibilities
3) Woman wants child but man doesn't = woman carries child to term, father is relieved of all parental rights and responsibilities
4) Neither parent wants child = woman aborts pregnancy, or carries child to term and places child up for adoption, both parents relieved of parental rights and responsibilities

Nobody gets forced into paternity/maternity, the woman gets to choose what to do with her body, the child is cared for one way or another. What's the problem?

Is there no middle ground anymore? How difficult is it for legislators to understand that we need choice for BOTH men AND women, not one or the other?

Of course, the reason that's not addressed in this bill is that it's more about attacking access to abortion than it is about men's right to choose. Men don't have rights in state, provincial or federal legislatures, so we can rest assured that our rights aren't the driving force behind this bill.

I tend to agree with that.

Wow, that's a good law. Men must have the right to forbid women to kill fetuses. All who think otherwise are either feminists or idiots.

Also there must be an alternative to women as fetuses growing machines. If women don't want to bear fetuses and want to kill them, society must use then artificial technologies for reproduction.

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Two pillars of the World of the Future:

Asexuality
Artificial Reproduction

"What freedom men and women could have, were they not constantly tricked and trapped and enslaved and tortured by their sexuality."

J. Steinbeck.

I think otherwise, and I'll pass on the asexuality. The old fashioned way is still best.

As I read this law (and I think it is a good start, though not perfect) I ask myself why it is only a misdemeanor if the mother lies?

I'm not a lawyer, but this sounds like a slap on the wrist to me.

Check out section Ha, fellas. If she claims to have been raped then she can get the abortion anyway. Provide yet another incentive for false rape accusations? Bad idea.

I am also starting to agree with his/her statements on men having an alternative to having to get women pregnant if they want kids. Makes sense, women pushed the gender war too far; they showed their true colors abit too much and now men are on to them.

I say men should have a choice as to whether they want to lie down with the harpies and as to whether women should be able to destroy babies. Bring on this law!

@NBDSPCL, How long will it be before men don't need women for babies?

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The Women are at Fault by Matthias Matussek

Sooner or later, progress will come inevitably.

It's expected that maximum in 5-7 years there will be first cases of babies conceived and born outside of female uterus.

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Two pillars of the World of the Future:

Asexuality
Artificial Reproduction

"What freedom men and women could have, were they not constantly tricked and trapped and enslaved and tortured by their sexuality."

J. Steinbeck.

RandomMan has some good points there.

To counter abortion we should promote the use of artificial wombs so that embryos and such can be grown to full term outside of the human body instead of killing them. Scenario: woman wants to do a abortion, father objects = the abortion can be avoided by letting the i.e. embryo grow to full term externally.

Interesting. Besides-- by using an artificial womb, you can allow the human brain to grow larger.

Let's face it, gents, this proposed law has little chance of passing.
BUT!!!! IMO, its consideration alone serves a very useful purpose. It will get women staring down the business end of an 18-year prison sentence (i.e. child support payments) and the odd female (the VERY odd female) may actually put two and two together and gain a bit of empathy for what men go through. Also, for the odd thinking female, this backlash driven legislation may teach them that when you behave as a power-hungry dictator, it may turn around and slap you in the face.

1) Give both genders the freedoms women now possess.
2) Give both genders the responsibilities men are now burdened with.

I'd prefer option #1, but I'll accept option #2. Option #2 has a better chance of becoming reality.

--Demonspawn

"Women do not lose their constitutionally protected liberty when they marry."

Note the language. Women don't lose their constitutionally protected liberty, but men sure do.

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Men no longer have any to begin with.

But this has nothing to do with women notifying their husbands. It has to do with notifying the father of the to-be-aborted child.

If a woman married a man, and got pregnant by another man, she wouldn't need to notify or get consent from her husband, just the guy who impregnated her.

I'll repeat this: she doesn't have to notify anybody. She just has to claim that the father raped her, and then she can get the abortion, as he is humiliated in the press and in the courts. The false rape claims will not be verified or screened in any way, and she will never be held accountable for defrauding the system. The father will be considered guilty no matter what.

canister...that is an excellent idea!!

the father's consent to go through with a pregnancy.
regardless if the child is put up for adoption or "kept".
The father must be in agreement.

oregon dad