The Next Duke U. Case? G.I. Jane Claims Rape

This is just another example, of a woman getting upset after she has behaved like a whore, and so trying to project her on own guilt onto these men by making a false accusation of rape. I like this one statement in the article:

"The examination found no injuries indicating rape, according to her lawyers. But they assert that it is common for rape victims, especially those who were drunk, to be uninjured"

yeah, it's common because there was no rape..in these cases, the drunk woman does not put up a fight, because being drunk causes her to lose her inhibitions and behave like a whore. And she alone is responsible for that, even if what the men did was also wrong.

-ax

If a horny woman wants all three of 'em and they are not attached, what's the problem?

A severe lack of military discipline on behalf of all parties and probably worth some military reprimands, but a civilian crime? I don't see it.

Maybe for the good of men everywhere we should let women be as sexual as they want to be without the whore or slut label. Maybe then they would not feel the guilt and shit and not charge guys to save their reputations. Women love to fuck and I say let 'em. I'd rather the girl be honest and horny then for her to have to get piss head drunk to let go and me and my friends wind up in jail the next day.

...with a bunch of whining -- and attention-mongering -- as opposed to sharpening their combat skills and getting the fuck out there and fighting like the MALE SOLDIERS have been forced to do for hundreds of years.

I'm so sick of hearing women whine about every god damn thing on the fucking earth. Peter Zohrab was right when he said feminism is an organized form of nagging. I wish women would shut the fuck up and dumb chivalrous men would stop giving them a voice in the public.

"the most outrageous aspect is the total and i mean TOTAL silence from women. hell, they could care less. makes me sick." ~ donnieboy5

"Feminism: The most organized form of nagging" ~ Peter Zohrab

*E-Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/No_Feminazis

but i'd bet it's just a tad late to "save her reputation" at this point, considering she willingly took off her shirt and willingly took off her pants to show them she wasn't wearing any underwear.

Now, I'm not a military man, but why would she do that?

Let's say everybody said, "well, nice idea there, but it's getting late and I've got to get up in the morning for church...see ya next week."

Would her reputation still be intact?
Just asking...

oregon dad

But I'm all for the de-demonization of sex. I really don't think what a person does or does not do sexually has much baring on what kind of person they are regardless of gender. I know celibate people who are fucking miserable excuses for humanity and I know people who fuck every person they meet who are really decent people and vice versa.

Who cares is what I'm saying. If this woman did not have to worry about being thought of as a whore - if no one gave a shit that she liked sex allot - then maybe these guys wouldn't be facing rape charges.

I'm personally all for dropping the fucking religious hang ups about sex and moving on to realize sex is not the worst thing ever so humanity can get around to focusing on problems of actual importance rather then demonizing anyone who does not only fuck missionary in the dark and say their Hail Mary's when they are done.

This would also benefit men who's save allot of money on hookers and strippers because they'd be able to find casual sex easily for free because the horny women in their social circle would be free to let everyone know that they need to get laid and if your able their willing.

All sex is a risk, actually even being anywhere near a woman is a risk of a false claim. Group sex is an almost guarantee of a claim. Men should participate in group sex only whilst being filmed and having a consent form, signed in triplicate with an independent witness, and an independent doctor to do a alcohol and drugs test and certify she was competent.

Until of course liars are sent down for the same length as the punishment for the crime they falsely reported.
But, i'm sure I wont live to see the day when women are held to account.

is the child support.

there were checks and balances in place to control shameful behavior. one was the fear and shame of having bastard children. now, with that element removed, we have bastardy running at >37%.

oregon dad

When will women learn, not men, damn get it right. Here we go again making excuses for females. Will this ever end, not with people like Empirical around? It is very clear what happened here, a drunk female with no inhabitations with a bunch of drunk males with no inhabitations. So she spreads her legs while drunk and has a great time only to sober up with nothing but regrets. So of course she cry’s rape. She won’t be held responsible for her own actions. No, she must blame the men. HOIST the JIB!!!!!

Education!

There are thousands of methods of birth control available (almost exclusively to women but that's another topic) and most runs pretty darn cheap and available without prescription - condoms, plan B (if you're 18 in most States, but to anyone in Canada), diaphragm, etc...

So instead of teaching kids about the evils of sex, lets teach them sex is not evil but to be safe and take precautions. While we are at it, lets also teach them about dating, responsibilities and consequences, and how to go about expressing sexual desire in a positive way instead of the standard pluming lesson + fear the fire and brimstone no sex at all is the only acceptable sex routine that passes for sex education today. It clearly isn't working anyway.

To the best of my recall, at least in the late 70s and early 80's, while I was on active duty, it was grounds for immediate discharge if there was sex in the barracks or anywhere else on base (I'm not sure why the author is calling it a "dorm"). I think it is even a bad conduct discharge, I knew a guy that happened to. It is obvious that it cannot be allowed, as it weakens a unit. If allowed, the personnel might extend it to sex in the theater or on ships.

The only thing worse than a bad conduct discharge is a dishonorable one. I'm not sure why the three men are not up for discharge, but the feeling i get from reading the article is that the reporter is a dunce, and so may not have an accurate picture of the situation.

Contrary to what the public's perception might be, like the one they might get from watching movies and tv, it is rare for military personnel to violate this article of the UCMJ. Most people, even stupid ones, do not want to have a B.C. discharge as it is almost like having a felony on your record depending on the violation.

The military is totally unlike college, there is not freewheeling sex among it's members.

-ax

Show me were I made an excuse for her please, go on, just one. Now try reading what I actually posted. I agree totally with everything you just posted (from the third sentence). But until things change, men are going to have to learn to take responsibility for their safety against women because the system sure isn't going to protect them is it?

I'm not blaming them for her actions, that's down to her. And if proven to be a lie should face 20 years (or whatever the sentence for rape is there). But its no good burying your head in the sand and saying because men should be free to do this kind of thing without fear of a false claim they should not bother about protecting themselves. It isn't going to help them if they end up spending the rest of their lives in prison.

I'm talking practicalities here, your talking ideals.

And what do you mean 'when will women learn' they HAVE. They have learned they can make a lie for revenge or regret and the system will protect them, and if she's found out 99% chance she'll go free.

If you mean women should learn not to make lies. Only proper prison time for liars will do that. Maybe one day. Until then, I stand by what I say.

The best thing men can do today is steer clear of these women. Do not get involved with them. Why get involved with someone that has been a bloodsucking parasite for thousands of years thinking you can change them in what 20 or 40 years? It will NOT HAPPEN. The women that are fucked in the head will NOT change. Leave them alone....once they get horny enough -- since women are more sexual than men anyway -- they will come along begging for you. Until then stop following them around trying to make them see reality. These women have practiced living and telling lies since the beginning of time and I don't know one man that has changed an ignorant woman's mind to this day.

Leave those bitches be...let them screw each other. I hear lesbianism is their thing anyway.

"the most outrageous aspect is the total and i mean TOTAL silence from women. hell, they could care less. makes me sick." ~ donnieboy5

"Feminism: The most organized form of nagging" ~ Peter Zohrab

*E-Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/No_Feminazis

I get the rationale that that type of conduct is acutely harmful in a military setting. I also agree that military actions should be taken against all parties.

What I don't get is the civilian actions - I get that the woman cried rape - but seriously, given the circumstances and her own confessions of a far from accurate recollection I really can't see there being much evidence other then he said/she said which should fall well short of that old standard that has been eroded away so much lately - beyond a reasonable doubt.

By definition he said/she said cases on their own without corroborating evidence bolstering the credibility of one side over the other are never beyond a reasonable doubt because assuming both parties have equal credibility (as in niether side
's conduct would indicate they are dishonest) either side is as likely as the other to be telling the truth and the justice system is supposed to default the benefit of the doubt to the accused. Since all parties were drunk as fuck, and the woman was performing strip teases and went willingly back to the 'dorm' with the guys I do not see how she can possibly have more credibility as a witness then they do. Therefore, the charges should have stopped at the Grand Jury.

Or maybe "they said". The thing that stands out is that all three guys' stories were basically the same. That is probably one of the crucial factors.

If the rape occurred on base (if there was a rape), it is not just a civilian action. In a lot of those cases, the military's policy is to punish the individuals under the UCMJ, then when their punishment is over and they are discharged, they are further prosecuted by the civilian auhorities (I dunno, maybe that is if it is off-base; but either way the military is going to punish them).

-ax

As soon as I layed down after making the below comment, I happened to pick up "The Myth of Male Power" and randomly turned to the section on rape. Here's some info from the book:

pp. 322-323: "Aren't false accusations of rape rare?"

"When the U.S. Air Force investigated 556 cases of alleged rape, 27 percent of the women eventually admitted they had lied (either just before they took a lie-detector test, or just after they failed" [Charles P. McDowell, Ph.D., "False Allegations", Forensic Science Digest, 1985].
"[A further review showed that] a total of 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false." [McDowell, supervisory special agent, and a review board reviewed each rape. A rape allegation was determined to be false only if all three reviewers believed it to be false].
...
"When the Washington Post got some counties in the Washington area to open their files, two of the largest counties, Prince Georges in Maryland and Fairfax in Virginia, had recorded 30 and 40 percent false or 'unfounded', respectfully."[Stephen Buckley, "Unfounded Rape Reports Baffle Investigators", Washington Post, 1992]

"Aren't these findings in conflict with the FBI's 'Uniform Crime Reports', which the media has popularized as saying that only 9% of rape accusations are false or unfounded? No. The FBI knows the number of women who reported they were raped, but not whether the rapist was found guilty or innocent. In 47 percent of the cases, the alleged rapist has not even been identified or found, or if he has been found, there was insufficient evidence to arrest him." [DOJ, "Crime in the United States", 1990]. "The remaining 53 percent were arrested, but the FBI doesn't receive data as to whether they were eventually found guilty or innocent. In brief, as far as the FBI knows, the percentage of false accusations overall could be anywhere from zero to 100 percent."

-ax

From "The Myth of Male Power", pp. 324-325:

"The Washington Post investigation [see my post immediately below] found a wide range of motivations. Anger toward former boyfriends was common...Perhaps most common was the need of young girls to give excuses to their parents for arriving home late, staying out all night, or being pregnant."

"The air force study [see post below] has the only systematic reporting of motivations:"

"Motivations Given by the Women Who Acknowledged The Had Made False Accusations of Rape [table, p. 325]:

"Spite or revenge(20%); to compensate for feelings of guilt or shame(20%); thought she might be pregnant(13%); to conceal an affair(12%); to test husband's love(9%); mental/emotional disorder(9%); to avoid personal responsibility(4%); failure to pay, or extortion(4%); thought she might have caught VD(3%); other(6%); TOTAL: 100%"

Ax suspects the "guilt or shame" motivation in the case we are discussing.
-ax

Women make up for their physical disadvantage by the use of weapons and conniving, scheming, devious, and manipulative behavior. By all accounts, women are the more dangerous of the sexes.

See the picture of Cassandra Hernandez on Glenn Sack’s site for an example of female deceit. Remember, by all that has been reported, she is a tramp that parties by outsized alcohol consumption and serial sex. (Remember to press the Control key and roll the mosue button forward to zoom in to check the details.

She now is in damage-control mode.

Ok, stage the “redeeming” photo not in a church, but a cathedral. Notice the foreground, background, and lighting. The bench she is sitting on, if it’s real, cost more then the average new car.

Dress her up in her military finest and balance the lighting so the white is brilliant white. Every crease and wrinkle carefully placed. Place that cap just like that.

She gets the full makeup treatment, including soft pink lipstick. All “earthly” trinkets like rings, ear rings, necklace, bracelet, anklet, or other jewelry removed. Absolutely NO tatoos or body piercing visible in the shot.

Place her arms and hands just like they did, and cross her legs just like they had her do. Have her looking off in the distance, eyes slightly up, as if looking towards the heavens.

That photo took many hours to set up and shoot. It was done so for a manipulative reason…to “prove” her innocence. Totally staged, totally fake.

Show us some shots of her in her party clothes, or pulling them down to show she is not wearing underwear.

I do not normally comment on one's looks, but that is one ugly - fuggggly female, ouch! I beleieve they call that a three bagger. Hoist the jib!!

I'm just learning of this appalling case and I posted this at www.Glennsacks.com....you can check out the other responses if you care to see the ignorance I was responding to...

AprilB Says:
August 20th, 2007 at 11:49 am
I'm very proud to celebrate my 12 year anniversary of military service tomorrow and I'm not surprised that there are still men like Thomas who believe women don't posses the intelligence or physical stamina to make a postive contribution to the Armed Forces. I will put humility aside in this case and state that in my 12 years of service I've never received anything but positive evaluations and nothing less than an excellent score on physical standard tests. Granted, the standards are different for men and women but I average about 50 pushups and 100 situps within two minutes for each category. I'm a Staff Sergeant (E6) and enjoy the satisfaction of doing my job to the best of my ability, and mentoring other soldiers (male or female) to do the same. All of this while raising two beautiful girls with my husband who also served for 7 years. It's a matter of WORK ETHIC not GENDER!!! Other than that, I refuse to acknowledge Thomas's viewpoint any further.

Now to the real issue at hand...

1-I'm guessing Cassandra was not an experienced drinker and somewhat naive about putting herself in a bad situation, assuming that she could trust people that are sworn to protect each other by way of the ethics code each branch of service is expected to follow...she had to be encouraged to socialize with fellow airmen and did what a lot of young single service members do, and that's to "hang out" in the barracks together for lack of money and a vehicle. Yes, underage drinking happens not unlike in a college atmosphere...not legal but it happens and she was willing to accept the consequences for her actions in that respect.

2-I don't care what the girl supposedly did up until the point where she was allegedly raped, (it's entirely possible that she was in a black out state unaware of her behavior) when it came down to the act of intercourse she remembers saying NO and STOP and they were telling her to be quiet. There were no bodily injuries to any of the parties involved because they were all intoxicated, disabling her ability to fight, therefore giving them no reason to apply physical force and thusly leaving no physical evidence of a struggle!!

3-She was interrogated for two days without her Sexual Assault Victim Advocate which completely violated her rights, and due to the stress of the situation in which she was experiencing constant anxiety attacks, she wanted the whole situation to be over and to get back a shred of her normal life before the incident occurred. If anyone had decided to share pertinent information that she could be charged if she didn't follow through with her testimony, I'm sure she would've mustered the bravery to see the case through to the bitter end.

4-We are all briefed (male and female) extensively on the procedure to follow if you're sexually assaulted, and she did everything she was supposed to do. I don't believe she had any motivation to make false accusations and if she was guilty of such why would she pursue this all the way to a Special Court Martial and risk time in the brig and a soiled miltary career?? Why not take the easy out that all four were offered before the media became involved and the case became public. Have you watched her video footage?? Her calm tone and matter of fact descriptions of what happened that night are very compelling. I've seen nothing from the alleged rapists, if they are innocent why aren't they speaking out on their own behalf? If anyone knows of an article or video footage from the accused, I'd be more than happy to hear their side firsthand and not their lawyers...

My bottome line is the system is failing her and this case will discourage other PEOPLE (once again not being gender specific, men are victims of rape too!) from reporting such incidents, which unfortunately happens A LOT when you mix young, inexperienced people away from home for the first time that shouldn't be consuming alcohol. I applaud her bravery for reporting the incident and trying to rectify the fact that she did not initially have the emotional strength to pursue the case to the bitter end. She is now standing up for her rights and the rights of other people that this could and will happen to in the future.

It's easy to judge and criticize if you've never experienced what this girl has gone through. We are in the military and expected to be able to withstand severe emotional and physical stress, but we're not robots people!! This kind of strength is something acquired through experiences and I'm sure this Airman will come out of this with a bit more strength and insight to deal with the inevitable kinks life throws at her in the future. I will personally vow to do what I can to bring attention to this case and keep Airmen 1st Class Cassandra Hernandez from losing this sad, sad case. If anyone feels the same way, write the Rep of her home state of Texas and North Carolina where she is stationed to express your disdain for how this is being handled!!

I close by saying God Bless my fellow service members fighting overseas, away from their loved ones...my prayers are with these true heroes everyday!!

(For the purpose of this website, I'd like to see some real men step up with knowledge of the facts of the case and actually leave some intelligent comments on the issue minus the stereotypical BS people (male and female) come up with when judging an alleged rape!! What if this were a female you knew and loved, and she was telling the truth??)

This female goes to a military party with no underwear (planning to have sex), then gets extremely drunk. She then goes into a private room with three drunken airmen and flashes her tits, and then pulls down her pants to show she is not wearing any underwear and we are supposed to believe that she was raped. No way, it is very clear what happened here, a drunk female with no inhabitations and no underwear with a bunch of drunk males with no inhabitations. So she spreads her legs while drunk and has nothing but regrets. A female in the military MUST be held accountable for her actions and she should STOP blaming men for her bad decisions. Hoist the jib !!!!