Finally, we hear from "the men"

but it has always amazed me as to why people cared so passionately about how many wives a man had. i don't see how another man's wife situation concerns me. the msm plays it like the most terrible thing since ... well, ever. the Bible has plural marriages all over the place. didn't God call David (a polygamist), "a man after His own heart"? it has existed since.. well as long as we have records of marriage.

and they try to include the underage sex (like teenaged girls aren't having sex, and getting married) angle as just more bad men doing more bad men stuff. gotta have something to blow out of proportion and anger the average working parent.

i have also noticed how the msms talk about the male polygamists, and the poor women involved in a poly "relationship". we MRA's already know about the women in "relationships", from the constant barrage of female teachers and their unfortunate "relationships" w/ VERY underage students. and the slap on the wrist that commonly follows. men rape, women have relationships.

i don't have an answer for when a girl becomes a woman; but, i'm sure it varies from one female to the next, just like in boys to men. but if they are calling all females under 18 y.o. children, for purposes of sex and marriage, that is closing the barn door after the cows are long gone. in many, if not most of these situations, these people aren't doing anything our ancestors didn't do. in all of the cultures, in all of the world, this practice has been considered normal. but now that we have women and their lawyers/judges/legislatures making the laws as we go, it is suddenly called perversion. same act, just different times. maybe amerikan women are worried that they can't take men "to the cleaners" as they typically do, if there are other women who will suffer too.

let me remind all that our forefathers (for better or worse) had legitimate marriages that lasted till death did them part. and second marriages (except for when men were killed defending their families or either died from disease) were virtually unknown. today's u.s. typical marriage is measured in months. the children of these divorces are to be pitied. children of old were spanked, worked long hours to help put food on the table, and married at a young age. not primarily because they were being abused as today's women/feminists would have you believe; but, because that was the way it had been done since the beginning.

i've heard the argument that people married earlier in the old days because they didn't live as long. how long people live didn't make a can of worms difference yesteryear to teenagers wanting to have sex/marriage, as it doesn't today. teens don't care about 50 years from now. a roundup in any american neighborhood will yield dozens of underage "children" having lots and lots of sex.

our society is in freefall. as a society (historically speaking) we must be viewed as kooks. we are off the hook, and not heading back into "sane" territory anytime soon. our families, marriages, and children are in terrible shape in general. so we make horrible judgements against others, who appear to have stable marriages, on the whole, and whose children (and many they are) are well behaved and actually respect their parents? it makes the other americans who are outraged, look jealous. these people appear to have successful families and marriages by staying away from american society. so the legaleze make up excuses to raid them, scatter them, prosecute them, and cause definite serious harm to their children.

the point i am trying to make here is that taking a hard line in making something that has always been historically acceptable into something evil just reeks of injustice and a lack of compassion and understanding. people are different. they believe in different things. and you are in essence calling our ancestors pervs.

as a footnote, the Mormons didn't quit plural marriage because they wanted to. the "official" line says one thing, but many agree they did it so they could be eligible for statehood. statehood and the end of sanctioned plural marriage by the Church, were not just a coincidence in time leading to statehood. that is probably partly why these plural marriage splinter groups use derivatives or the Church of Latter Day Saints' name today.

One of the good aspects of polygamy is that it renders adultery non-relevant.

Also, you can always get a reliable babysitter.

From what I have read, the average American girl has sexual intercourse for the first time when she is 15 years old.

But it is not an event that occurs in a religious cult where her male partner is a 50 year old fart with several other "wives."

It's typically high school exploratory sex.

These polygamists are sophisticated pedophiles, make no mistake.

If MRA's defend them, it will be very damaging to the men's rights movement.

Of course, the same practices of marrying adolescent girls to older men is tradition in India and Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern and African countries.

So it is politically incorrect to criticize other culture's marital practices, right?

It's still legal to marry your first cousin in America.

We shouldn't touch this one. In my mind, the media has beat it to death already, but that's a given with just about any story where male = bad-guy.

"These polygamists are sophisticated pedophiles, make no mistake."

I don't agree. Some of them may be pedophiles, but I think they're the minority. First, according to testimony, only a few of them even marry or have sex with women under 18. And second, even those that do aren't necessarily pedophiles. The age of consent differs from culture to culture, and that doesn't make someone a pedophile. Some of them are, just as some in our culture are. But I don't agree at all that polygamists necessarily are pedophiles are even that there are more pedophiles among them than in the general population.

I'm not defending what they do. I think they need to respect the legal age of consent in the state they're in, period, and I also they they should not be forcing anyone to marry or restricting people's rights to leave. But that's a very different thing from saying the polygamists are a bunch of pedophiles.

I also don't agree that we shouldn't touch this one. I think there is a whole lot of anti-male bias on the media coverage of this issue. The media repeatedly portrays the women as victims and the men as tyrants, even though most of the men have not even married underage girls at all. And meanwhile the media hardly mentions anything about the lost boys for whom nobody knows where they are. Fathers & Families has rightly called on the media and the government to investigate that. Where are they? Were they abandoned? Killed? Why is the place full of only young girls? How do they maintain the male-female ratio? This is almost entirely ignored by the media. It's male disposability all over again.