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Bad Behavior
Submitted by Matt on Fri, 2008-03-21 18:14
All,
I received a note from Terri Lynn Tersak at True-equality.org regarding the MANN post of 3/19 announcing the release of her study.
She said she has received phone calls at the number previously appearing in that post that were not just rude but in some cases hostile to an unacceptable degree, and that those callers have referred to mensactivism.org as the source of the reason for their calls.
I am not suggesting that anyone in the thread associated with that post are among them; indeed I don't know who made such calls if they did. But I am saying that if indeed it is true she has received such calls, it makes MRAs look very, very bad and does absolutely nothing to further the cause.
The approach to take with people who you disagree with is to argue in favor of your position based on factual points and reasoned opinions. If you look at how the typical feminist responds to people who disagree with her (or him), they are usually quickly moved to a very irate state, something that used to serve them but quickly stopped doing so after men caught on to what they were doing. [After that their new approach was dissemination of false information and intense lobbying of legislators with smiling suggestions that such would lose "the women's vote" if they didn't support such-and-such a piece of legislation.]
We have seen this in action repeatedly on Fox News when Marc Rudov takes on some feminist. And each time that happens, Marc walks away looking better than when he came on, more people out there in TV-land have their sympathies and opinions swayed closer to the MRA cause, and he gets more air time from Fox as each such encounter occurs. It's true he sometimes gets annoyed but does he ever say things to the other party that could be interpreted as menacing in any way? Not that I have seen.
Think before you act, guys. It's about the cause, not the catharsis. If you want to vent, vent here.
Matt
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Follow-up: Note the post here. Whatever individual or individuals who made such calls should now be wondering very much what got into his head to do so. I would suggest to him or them to start looking for a good lawyer or two now. And, I hope they find you.
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New Policy Regarding Posting Phone Numbers
I think it would probably be best to start a new policy that phone numbers for individuals will not be posted in new stories from this point on, to avoid this kind of thing from happening again.
Scott
If someone has made death
If someone has made death threats via the phone they need to be held accountable. However, let's keep in mind that at this point these are allegations. There are many possibilities here including that the accuser may have exagerated or even fabricated the accusations. I think we need to take a wait and see attitude on this and let the police sort it out. I hope that Ms Tersak can keep us informed of the outcome.
What we do know at this point is that we as MRA's have been accused by this writer of "hurling vitriol" which was "backed by a seemingly infinite arsenal of fallacious arguments." Those are pretty strong words and I for one find them demeaning and insulting. I hope this doesn't get buried beneath these allegations.
Radical MRA's.
They do more harm than good.
I think the least we can do is e-mail her denouncing those phone calls and explain that %99 of the guys deplore such behaviour.
Yes
I thought that number was to an office or a dedicated line. If I had known it was essentially public (ie, anyone including a child could have answered it), I would not have posted it. But in future unless someone sends me something that specifically says "Post this number: xxx-xxx-xxxx", I won't, even if the number is part of the text or at the end of the announcement under the name of an organization.
Should find out soon enough
I agree that anything Terry may have written should not be held sacrosanct simply because she was or is on the receiving end of someone's angry (or even illegal) behavior. And to those who think the alleged harasser's kind of approach to changing minds is good, note that when someone is on the receiving end of such behavior (or even alleges it), immediately the question of whether or not they should be subject to any more criticism comes up. That is one of the side-effects of using threats and anger against people you disagree with; it makes them look like victims and evokes sympathy. In short, it only makes you look bad and them look good. Marc Rudov only looks good, as I said, when he gets vented on.
The substance of the allegations will be fairly easy to discover. What most people don't know is that every conversation you have over a landline and over most cell phones is being recorded. Previously, before the Era of Cheap Mass Storage, phone companies would have loved to be able to record all conversations but didn't have the means. Now, they do. When you use their lines, you are implicitly giving them permission to listen in on (and record) your conversations. The phone company must when subpoenaed provide transcripts or recordings of whatever conversations they have recorded, which these days is all of them. All that is needed is a judge to order it. And under the USA Patriot Act if the police simply affirm they are doing a terrorist investigation or Act-related investigation, they don't even need no stinking subpoenas. [That is how Gov. Spitzer got nabbed patronizing prostitutes while also being gung-ho about shutting down prostitution rings and nabbing those nasty-awful-evil johns. What a f*cking hypocrite, but that has been covered already.]
Terry's husband is a lawyer. He should have little trouble getting a subpoena from a judge. If he knows the time and day of call (and I am sure he does) and the number called-to (which is his number), they will be able to identify exactly the number that the call was made from and have the voice of the caller (did you buy caller ID block? Doesn't work on the phone company). And technology, in case anyone doesn't know, exists that can ID voices, even disguised voices, as well as a fingerprint and with equally devastating implications as evidence.
The veracity of the claims will quickly be known and the suspect identified, if justified by the evidence, and like you Tom, I hope Terry will let us know the details as they arise (though things like names and other details will probably not be available until or unless a conviction is obtained).
Yes, Big Brother is watching. At this point I always assume everything I do in public is being recorded, including all forms of electronic communications. Soon mind-reading technology will be developed to the point where it can be used to read intentions and to some degree, thoughts. Don't believe me? See these:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4795-nasa-develops-mindreading-system.html
http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2004/janfeb/features/neuroethics.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/feb/09/neuroscience.ethicsofscience
Who the hell took the time to call her?
*Chuckles*
I disagree with what she said and debunked her claims but taking the time to actually pick up the damn phone and dial a woman I could care less about? Not happening in this lifetime or the next. I don't even tell jokers my real name online more less call some damn body. Too many crazy stalker chics.
I'm starting to think this girl may be lying. This sounds like a smear campaign; I recall Wendy McElroy claiming something similar happened to her. Be careful gentlemen, this woman is obviously obsessed with women as victims and that does not bode well for men that don't buy the line of "woman as permanent victim." She has already attacked the MRAs once. Noone I know on this board would take the time to do some bullshit like that. I didn't even send a damn e-mail (when you posted the information here) so who's going to call? She's not important enough to warrant a phone call from anyone I know.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Here I come to save the day!!!
They do more harm than good.
You're not even sure if the call was placed by an MRA or a feminist (that reads this site, as we know they do) trying to smear the name of MRAs.
Moreover, "Terri" could be lying about the call in an attempt to run her own smear campaign.
I smell bullshit.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Your right
She very well could be lying.
All the scenarios you mentioned are very logical.
Yet I still felt the need to reply to her post.
Kinda weird.
Bottom line.
Think about it for a while and you can use my name in your next website blog.
I'm trying to help you my friend.
I'm a huge fan of your site. If I offer you some ammunition your site will prosper.
Reality: I almost forgot!
You REALLY need to read the response I wrote to Terry. My comment is titled "Terry". This is my gift to you!
As I said in my reply...
.. to Tom's comment: we shall soon know just who placed that call, if it happened at all. And I for one will be sure to follow-up with Terri periodically to see what she can tell us about the investigation. Stay tuned.
I Ain't Buyin It
I seriously doubt an MRA would call somebody to threaten them. It just seems so illogical. Logic and being male go hand in hand. Something tells me that if a call actually was placed it was a feminist posing as an MRA to try to make us look bad, or it's a story that's being fabricated altogether to make us look bad. I'm definitely taking this with a grain of salt.
Evan AKA X-TRNL
Real Men Don't Take Abuse!
I wouldn't waste my time to contact her.
I wouldn't waste my time to contact her, and although I respect your request to send her feedback, I didn't. If she wants my feedback, she can read what I posted on MANN that was critical of her article. I expect her to do her own work to improve her knowledge and writing skills.
Xtrnl the logical.
seriously doubt an MRA would call somebody to threaten them. It just seems so illogical. Logic and being male go hand in hand. Something tells me that if a call actually was placed it was a feminist posing as an MRA to try to make us look bad, or it's a story that's being fabricated altogether to make us look bad. I'm definitely taking this with a grain of salt.
Quoted for truth. Your thoughts mirror my own. I believe we have a good deal of women here running a smear campaign on MRAs. This is not the first time this has been attempted and it certainly will not be the last time. Women aren't too original as we all know.
Women (both those whom "admit" they are feminists and those that claim they are "not feminists" yet still adhere to their ideology and less than honorable tactics) have been using the "same tactics" for years to impugn those men they want eliminated while hoodwinking others into doing their dirty work for them.
A WARNING TO MEN : We all know women's history with false allegations and how nearly any woman can simply point a finger at any man she has a problem with and cause numerous problems for that man in particular.
False allegations made by women against men have been a very effective way for women to "get even" or "teach him a lesson." The men that are getting too close to this woman and her allegation should watch their footing. Most of the time (though not always) when dealing with women making allegations you are dealing with a known group of predators who have an axe to grind with the male gender.
I don't want to see "any" member of MANN's story appearing here next due to some false allegation that claims he "threatened or abused" some angry woman. Be careful gentlemen.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Deja vu' All Over Again?
Didn't this also happen with Wendy McElroy some time ago?
That being said even though I do not agree with the tactic of calling (anonymously I presume) someone's residence and making threats, I do feel that this irrational behavior is caused by the callous disregard of the very REAL issue of men as a social group being demonized and marginalized by Western culture to support the decadent aristocratic feminist class. The slaves had their would be liberator but in reality he was a delusional mass murderer Nat Turner whose misdirected revolt did more harm than good to promoting the abolishment of the vile system of slavery. Likewise, even though the anger of MRA's is justified and understandable doing negative things with this energy detracts from our righteous cause. Please do not internalize your anger. Use it as a source of strength to obtain our goals in a positive way.
Down, Swine! Down!
You terrible, nasty, filthy, uneducated, disrespectful, ungrateful, cheap, uncompromising, foul-mouthed men should all be ashamed of yourselves!
You should be thankful the wonderful, generous, beautiful, strong, generous, independent, understanding, and generous women of this country (did I leave out generous?) even allow you into this country and put up with your existence here on the same streets, breathing the same air along with them. Just think of all the hardships women here have to put up with, such as annoying phone calls from men who disagree with them. Just imagine the abusive arguments that must have been used over the phone lines and the horrendous, shocking, unbearable anguish you put these women through on a daily basis. Plus you now accuse this woman of fabricating her story? Don't you know that women never lie?
Shame on all of you! Shame! Shame! Shame! (This doesn't apply to you men who have accepted feminist brainwashing and now walk, talk, and act like women, and of course, all you men who are not guilty of everything I just accused you all of, for instance, all you men who are on this site purely for entertainment purposes only and love all women unconditionally.) All you cretins out there know who you are!
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Uh Oh! George, did you read this last post? This guy must be the one who made all those devastatingly abusive, anorexia and bulimia causing phone calls. Get him! What he did is rape! No, it's worse than rape! Throw him in jail! Ban him from the internet! Or at the very least, from this website and all other MRA-related websites! This is proof he did it! And everyone else on this site is guilty by association! You're all guilty! Punishment? The payment of imputed alimony and child support to this horribly and devastatingly abused woman for life... plus fifty years! Then after that, dig him up and kick him where it hurts the most! And finally, we'll try him posthumously for terrorism and when found guilty, rebury him at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba and exile his body there forever. There, you rapist, terrorist swine! Take that! Now don't do it again!
P.S. Gee, now I wonder what we should do about him hurting the MRA movement? Must be a law against that somewhere that we can add in. Maybe "disturbing the peace"?? Or better yet, "Sexually assaulting an activist movement with a deadly weapon"?? With that last one, he'll have to register as a sex offender into perpetuity! Great! Throw them both in.
Bad, bad, bad behavior! Bad!!! Naughty! Naughty! Naughty!
Swiftboating MANN?
MrReality I was immediately on the same page as you about this affair...
It smells like the perfect "swiftboating" of MANN and MRA's, attempted by feminists making the anonymous harassing calls.
Can we get a phone log and trace the locations?
BTW - (wiki) "Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used (primarily) as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign."
I smell a set-up!
McElroy
Yes I received an e-mail from McElroy about six months ago explaining some death threats towards her family.
Honestly, there are probably some MRA's who aren't affiliated with this site that take things too far.
Mens rights is an extremely important movement but its not the end of the world.
Right@Roy
Notice how the "line" given(i.e. "I'm going to murder your mother, the lying whore....Aaarrrgh!" Or something of that nature.) feeds into every stereotype that feminist women have about men?
As I said it's like it came straight out of a Lifetime movie. It sounds very..."rehearsed" and/or "made-up."
Watch your step , now that this girl is here starting trouble with her dislike of those who promote men's rights and subsequently her allegations against them , and don't listen to the politically correct crowd that is automatically jumping on the "a woman was threatened!" klan-like hysteria bandwagon either(NOTE: Remember creating a hate-based klan-like hysteria over women supposedly being "abused" or "threatened" -- based on false accusations made by women -- has proven very effective for women in the past and the present.)
Both parties are prone to overly emotional outbursts based on nonsense.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Just Don't Do It
I would strongly suggest that no man send her a direct e-mail of any nature.
Under recently enacted federal laws, more than two "objectionable" e-mails can be legally considered as stalking and/or harassment.
I'm just laying it out gents ... we all live in a dangerous neighborhood now.
Pick and choose
MrReality while it is true women can and do make false allegations it is also true that men can and do as well, though perhaps in different contexts for different reasons. Neither sex has the corner on the market of either civility or trustworthiness. A central fallacy of femninism is the assertion that women either are always truthful or when they lie they need to do so for their own protection (ie, there is some kind of excuse made). This is bunk and even feminists know it, but they used poor dearism and chivalrous appeals to get that idea out there operating in the contexts of courts and the jury of public opinion/mass media. It is in those places especially this false idea needs to be undone. But at no time should anyone think that categorically 100% of women are lying 100% every time they say they were offended against -- and in this case, both her and her husband are saying this. What really has them worked up is the fact that someone said (is alleged to have said, for those who need to see that) what they (are alleged to have) said not to either of them but to their child who answered the phone. Those of you with children can imagine what it must be like for a child to hear someone threaten his or her mother's (or father's) life to them. I am not a dad but I need only imagine the effect. Children get very disturbed at such things and their parents are rightfully outraged and justified in taking action to see that the person(s) involved are held to account.
While some people are saying they smell a rat here, I will say that I do not. If Terri or her husband were about that they would have acted in that way a long time ago. I believe imaginations are running a bit wild around here at the moment and there is a little bit too much knee-jerk us-ism going on.
Feminists are about always siding with women or what they claim to be women's interests. We have seen how this leads to gross injustice, social deterioration, and the consequences it has in many avenues. Setting up a "counter-tribe" that takes the same attitude toward women as feminists take toward men isn't seeking justice, it's seeking identity; it's seeking membership; it's seeking simple attitudes to complex issue. In short, that is not where I am going. Others may go there if they like, but I won't.
Having said that, I will reiterate: I will pester Terri for updates regularly and will report whatever it is I have heard from her here on MANN. In the mean time, let's all of us try to keep an open mind, myself included. While I feel at this time Terri is not making her story up, I will also stay open to evidence that says the allegations are either false, or that the caller was actually a feminist looking to mess with MANN. So until then...
Stay away from it men.
I am steering clear of this woman. I want absolutely nothing to do with her. She recently applied for an account on my website.
Action: I deleted her application and banned her IP address.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Smart
As my dead friend Bob Marley advised ---
"He who fights and runs away ... lives to fight another day!"
Smart move Mr R.
Klan Hysteria@MANN. Ready to go hang someone?
While some people are saying they smell a rat here, I will say that I do not. If Terri or her husband were about that they would have acted in that way a long time ago. I believe imaginations are running a bit wild around here at the moment and there is a little bit too much knee-jerk us-ism going on.
The above claims make no sense.
The only imaginations that have been "running wild" is the imaginations of those whom have already worked themselves up into a "defend this woman" klan-like frenzy claiming they are going to "hunt down" the offender(You don't even know if there really is an offender as of yet). Or comparing their personal experiences with this allegation. Common sense dictates that since this is a common tactic used by women to defame men to not get worked up over it.
The most realistic approach is one that says none of this has been proven(which is the truth, no matter what you BELIEVE) and it is likely that the woman may be lying and/or a smear campaign may be in effect(as the woman has stated her dislike of MRAs).
Also, the claim that if they were going to act this way they would have already done so is a personal belief not a fact.
It basically amounts to "they never did this before so they HAVE to be telling the 100% truth." Illogical. Moreover, this woman has lied before concerning men's rights activists.
What's next?
"Boys bring me that noose! We's gone have us a hangin' tonight!"
Also, Study shows 96% of women are liars
She may be lying yet again. Who knows?
With that I leave this issue be. If you reply I will not be responding(No disrespect meant). This issue is dead.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Actually...
... they make perfect sense. And, I don't doubt that you will in fact have more to say on this issue, whether in this thread or elsewhere. And no, this issue is far from dead.
And "The issue" as I see it is the belief that no one who does something that seems to be in support of a particular set of beliefs shared by a given person can possibly do anything wrong either in how they express themselves or how they act. What is illogical is the belief that for any given group of people, not one of them can possibly be wrong in how he or she acts in support of their cause.
I received a note from Terri this afternoon. The police traced the call and have arrested a man in Maryland who is cooperating with them. They have recordings of the call made to the number that was posted previously. The police said he claimed to be a regular reader of this and other MRA sites but never posted here. As I get more details I'll let you know. I doubt however that even with a link to a news story or a confession in front of you from the suspect himself, you will believe it. I think at this point you are incapable of changing your opinion on this topic.
In the mean time, I'll caution you, MrReality, in the same way you saw fit to caution me, albeit without mentioning names, in a prior post in this thread, as well as others, once again, about picking and choosing your battles and your words carefully. "Klan mentality" on MANN. Good God. If anyone is showing run-out-and-hang tendencies, it's you. And if you detect my infinite reservoir of patience wearing thin with regard to you and your less-than-constructive means of expressing yourself, then you are right.
So you step carefully, MrReality.
Why?
Anthony who are you and what do you stand for -- really?
YOU: "Honestly, there are probably some MRA's who aren't affiliated with this site that take things too far."
WHAT KIND OF ASSUMPTION IS THIS? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS, OR IS THIS PURE PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE CONJECTURE TO SULLY THE REPUTATION OF MRA'S?
YOU: "Mens rights is an extremely important movement but its not the end of the world."
UNTIL YOU HAVE WALKED A MILE IN THE SHOES OF A MAN WHO HAS BEEN VICTIMIZED BY THE FEMINIST ORIENTED SYSTEM OR AN INDIVIDUAL FEMALE YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR OPINIONS TO YOURSELF. FOR SOME ITS A NEVER ENDING STRUGGLE, ONE THAT I AM NOT SURE YOU UNDERSTAND -- OR AS SOME HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF, YOU UNDERSTAND ALL TO WELL...
'NUFF SAID
Evil White Male Oppressor
"I am Not a Number I am a Free Man"
Re: Anthony
Anthony and I got into it once before. I accused him/her of being a woman using a man's name because so much of what s/he says sounds like a woman talking. I believe I remember Anthony saying s/he is a college student majoring in what I would consider a woman's major, like sociology. I don't remember which for sure. Even in arguing, s/he sounds like a she.
S/he denies it, but I still believe s/he's a she.
WOW!
Where should I begin.
Who am I?....Anthony
What do I stand for?....God Like Nonsense Being Thrown at You
"WHAT KIND OF ASSUMPTION IS THIS? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS, OR IS THIS PURE PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE CONJECTURE TO SULLY THE REPUTATION OF MRA'S?"
Passive aggressive? Please put down your community college psych. text book and move into the real world. Society welcomes you.
Opinions. I should keep them to myself? Every guy here expresses their opinions.
you have issues ? you have to give me a discussion that's not based on remedial phonics.
I never walked a mile in a mans shoe's. Who the hell puts on other people shoes. That's how you get athletes foot. Please practice preventive toe cheese syndrome based on shared sneaker usage. I've seen people walk in other people shoes and develop warts filled with green puss. [not a pretty sight].
My suggestion: buy your own damn shoe's! No reason to walk in another mans shoe's when sneakers cost as low as $10.
In conclusion
I stand by my comments and welcome any further discussion.
Re: Mr. Anthony
Him/Her?
I actually have a degree in "Jackass Disposal Service"
The JDS is an elite organization thats adept at identifying and humiliating the jackass insight.
*Laughs*
*Steps in and bypasses the other post in favor of the "Let's get Anthony" posts*
Wow!
Jokers are coming out of the woodwork to get a piece of Anthony! *Chuckles*
Leave poor Ant alone fellas..
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
I respect you Reality, but...
Let the "man" fight his own battles.. or perhaps chivalry is not dead. LOL.
No really Reality your comments have made this site bearable, and your own site is quite good, but even you have had it out with ol' Ant. I think my questioning of his statements is quite on target...
Evil White Male Oppressor
"I am Not a Number I am a Free Man"
Feminist or MRA?
And I bet this guy in Maryland (a liberal Mecca similar to Massachusetts) is a feminist, not an MRA. I strongly suspect that he's upset over Terry's report because of its false DV allegations by women information.
Betcha.
Evil White Male
"No really Reality your comments have made this site bearable, and your own site is quite good,"
Can I mail you a beach towel to wipe the crap of your nose?
lol
Something tells me you know a lot about crap on your nose as you have been probably eating it most of your life.
Really child, go run along and play until you learn some manners and how to act around the grown-ups...
Evil White Male Oppressor
"I am Not a Number I am a Free Man"
Do you have an account on my site Evil?
If not, sign-up for one. I'll approve it ASAP.
I may be spending abit more time on my own site rather than this one. MANN is quickly becoming dangerous ground. :)
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Tactics?
Maybe some time "in the box" would cure MrReality's bad attitude.
But I doubt it.
He'll come out just like Cool Hand Luke only with a refined strategy....
Matt, you sent out the invitations for your party and the guests have arrived!
There's an old zen saying that the best way to control an angry bull is to make his pasture larger.
I do not envy your challenges as a moderator with this crowd.
Perhaps we all need to consider your plight, and actually "moderate" our remarks just a tad bit.
I used to take a more combative attitude, but I've found that it is better and more interesting to just try dialogue.
In fact, that makes me even more dangerous!
Tactics, gentlemen. Always tactics.
I'm already in the box
Someone's planting a big one where the sun doesn't shine!
On topic:
Just reading some of the ridiculous comments on this site is like punishment. Either way after the fiasco here I doubt if I'll be spending as much time at MANN.
Too much finger-pointing going on. We all know when a "certain portion" of society points fingers men go down! No innocent until proven guilty. No "Hold up, I just got to go to the store real quick before you take me in." No Sunday dinner.
Male? Accused by the female aristocrats? Done deal.
That's why I wear my Halloween mask when I log-on. Mr. Reality is on the downlow.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Arena
MrReality,
Come on ...
You cannot be "punished" by words on a screen.
And the only finger pointing at you is your own!
Gotta have a thicker skin dude to get in this arena!
You have what it takes.
No-thing is personal here.
He's slow I know. Give him time
Please tell me you didn't focus on the comical portion of my post?
*Shakes head while laughing*
I was joking. Next time I'll space the words out like T-H-I-S to make it easier for you to comprehend them.
In case you don't know what a joke is I got the definition for you.
Joke:
1a: something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1): the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2): an instance of jesting : kidding c: practical joke d: laughingstock
2: something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter —often used in negative constructions
Also, where in my statement (quoted below) did I say fingers were pointing at me?:
Too much finger-pointing going on. We all know when a "certain portion" of society points fingers men go down! No innocent until proven guilty. No "Hold up, I just got to go to the store real quick before you take me in." No Sunday dinner.
Male? Accused by the female aristocrats? Done deal.
Maybe you see something I don't?
It must be past your bedtime. You're starting to wander off into dreamland (i.e. Going on about arenas and thicker skins)...again.
*Puts his hood back up and turns his cloaking device back on*
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
I Disagree
Your comment:
>the only finger pointing at you is your own!
Matt's comment:
>I am saying that if indeed it is true she has received such calls, it makes MRAs look very, very bad and does absolutely nothing to further the cause.
The approach to take with people who you disagree with is to argue in favor of your position based on factual points and reasoned opinions....
Matt told us that we look bad because some unknown person made a bad call to Terry as a result of Terry's report posting on this site. Then he proceeded to assume the position of "mommy" and teach US how WE should behave. His qualification that he really didn't know who did it seems pretty shallow to me based on everything he said after it. Kinda sounds to me very much like the word "alleged" put in front of every guilty accusation on TV newscasts prior to a trial. While the word "alleged" is used making everything "kosher", does anyone here believe that any TV listener hears or truly puts any credence in the word? What percentage of the TV listeners believe the guy is guilty as soon as the accusation is made by a woman, or police, just as Matt assumed the guilty guy who made the ALLEGED phone call was an MRA from this site? Not only that, it sure seems to me that Terry was the first to assume that the guilty guy was one of us and Matt was quick to run with that assumption, even though this site is available to the whole world to read.
I think that based on what Matt has found out already concerning this guy and that he wasn't a poster, he owes us posters an apology. And so does Terry, since I assume she was the one who instigated the information post to this site... which is open to everyone and anyone throughout the world to read. And if the guy truly turns out to be a feminist rather than an MRA, they both owe all MRA's an apology.
By the way, is it reasonable for Terry and Matt not to expect that disseminating news concerning widespread false DV claims would NOT attract death threats from feminists?
Give me a break!
Some rules you don't break
"By the way, is it reasonable for Terry and Matt not to expect that disseminating news concerning widespread false DV claims would NOT attract death threats from feminists?"
Death threats are never permissible. Never. And if you are the kind of person who is fine with it, then I really don't want you here.
"I think that based on what Matt has found out already concerning this guy and that he wasn't a poster, he owes us posters an apology."
No, I don't owe you or anyone else an apology. Go back and re-read my O.P., as many times as you need to to understand it.
You or anyone else here who is unhappy with how I am moderating this site can go start your own. No one is making you type the MANN URL into your browser bar.
Bye-bye!
Ditto
Don't get drawn into the web by bringing it up. Let this garbage pass. Chivalry is at an all-time high at MANN right now. Everyone's beating their chest.
Let the issue die out already. It's just a bunch of nonsense anyway. If you gotta say something, come drop a few lines at my spot where chivalrous PC talk is outlawed. No constant references to Southside B-Ball you played who knows how many years ago. No pandering. No filler. No hysteria. No apologies. All raw. Some can take it, some can't.
Once this overly hyped nonsense is out of your system we can talk about "real" issues.
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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse
Happy Easter!
I wish all the members of MANN a happy Easter.
As for the Easter Bunny. That bastard snuck into my apartment again last night! I had rodent traps everywhere and my cats were on full alert. Yet that filthy vermin by- passed my security and left eggs all over my house. I think he even left some rabbit droppings on the carpet. I thought they were raisins until I ate one. The NYPD promises me every year they'll find that rodent, but they never do!
MrReality blocked from MANN indefinitely
Read his latest screed here:
http://www.wine-cellar.com/mrreality/?q=node/101
As annoying as it is to be pilloried, I really don't care about myself. I expect it from whatever source (though have been expecting it more from a crazed feminist than a regular MANN poster).
What bothers me is that he is now attacking other posters to the site with shameless abandon-- Roy most recently, anthony before, and others, though not by user-name but by unmistakable reference to their words posted on MANN.
His M.O. is this: anyone who says something he doesn't like will be publicly denounced and called whatever sort of names he can come up with. As long as he posts every 10 seconds to the site and attacks vehemently with name-calling and innuendo anyone whose opinion he doesn't like, eventually he will shut down all other discourse with differing points of view or interpretations. And that as they say, is not the idea.
I am putting MrReality on moderation, which is to say, he is now blocked. I expect he will fax out press releases over the matter; but while no one can affect what he writes on his own site, I see no reason for MANN to be an interactive feeding ground for his obsessive ranting and raving.
And with that, good luck to you, MrReality, and have a nice day.
Listen all of you...[*IN ANGER*]
I've been aware of what's been going on in this forum...and I don't like what I'm hearing. Now, uncalled-for comments have been made, feminists posing as MRAs, and the same-old-shit with permissible misandry! Now I understand that this situation is getting worse, but when will it be time for us to stand together and stand up for ourselves against this feminist-crooning society?! Eh?
Let me tell you this, I still do not [and never will] trust the feminists [no matter what type or form they are], but we need to band together, get smart, and do something...not sit at the CPU and bitch: 'oh, this society is fucking us over by shitting all over us'--that's unacceptable! As much damage as these jokers have done within a generation [or two], we're letting them win by walking all over us with their mess...
Guys, cut the shit...and get it together...and to anyone else who is interested in our movement...GIVE US A HAND, OR GET THE "F---" OUT! Don't waste our time...
I rest my case...
...FOR A HOUSEBOY!
Eman (Emmanuel Matteer Jr.)
Emma.noelle.blay@hotmail.com
forahouseboy.blogspot.com
*****masculism is a black male's best friend!!!!!*****
Eman
Its been quite a while since your last post.
If your so concerned with MANN, why don't you make some contributions other than "dropping in" to scold the board.
Anthony....
...What's wrong with you, man?
This desperate houseboy's been away focusing on his blog talking about the same old stuff you guys are--I just haven't had the time to comment. In addition, I'm not gonna give each poster [male or female], a direct low-blow if a comment or bad post is made...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! In the meantime, I've benn busy with school, crossdressing, and have been exploring the exotic MGTOW scene...
Don't worry about me, dear...I'll start posting again and keep you guys happy...love you,
...FOR A HOUSEBOY!
Eman (Emmanuel Matteer Jr.)
Emma.noelle.blay@hotmail.com
forahouseboy.blogspot.com
*****masculism is a black male's best friend!!!!!*****
No Problem
I'm just in a bad mood because I got suckered into going to my sisters for Easter dinner.
I recently checked out your website and its very good.
Ouch...
That's not a good sign...
...FOR A HOUSEBOY!
Eman (Emmanuel Matteer Jr.)
Emma.noelle.blay@hotmail.com
forahouseboy.blogspot.com
*****masculism is a black male's best friend!!!!!*****
Expected = Permissable?
If a person does something, based on a certain amount of intelligence that that person might have, they could reasonably predict how certain other people might react. It may not be permissible for that other person to react in that way, but it can still be expected based on the experience of others who have done the same thing in the past and received the same result. This is why children need their parents to protect them. Parents can see around corners that children who have had no past experience could not possibly see.
Terry is, by no means, the first woman to out the DV truth and not the first to receive death threats. Even Marc Rudov receives them. Ester Vilar received them when she made DV industry truths known. So Terry is now doing the same thing and she received a death threat too. GEE, WHAT A SURPRISE! Not permissable. Just expected. There's a cliche' saying that's been going around for quite a while that goes something like this... Stupidity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result. I'm not saying that the DV truth should not be brought out. What I'm saying is that death threats should be expected based on the type of brains of the enemy we are fighting. Expected means EXPECTED. When the U.S. does nothing in the face of attacks on our world-wide interests, can it be expected that the attacks will stop? Or get worse? Do I need to post the dictionary definition of expected in order for people at this site to understand what I really mean? OK. Here it is:
Expect: Regard as likely to happen; anticipate the occurrence or the coming of. To look for with reason or justification.
Gee, I wonder how this explanation is again going to be twisted into something I didn't say. I suspect Mr. Reality is right. When certain men are sticking up for a woman, logic goes completely out the window. This explanation will no doubt mean nothing to such a person. He'll probably just get angrier. Evidently chivalry knows no bounds.
Bye. Want the last word? Of course! You've got the floor! I won't be replying to any further of your irrational interpretations or threats. From here on, you're talking to yourself... and your flock.
I beg your pardon [*ENRAGED*]...
Who are you calling irrational, Dittohd? I've been away from this board for a while...like you, I'm pretty much still aware of what's been going on recently with Ms. Tersak [even if I don't visit her site often] and Mr. Rudov...and even the big guy, Dr. Warren Farrell, for that matter. Honestly speaking, I do commend them for what they are doing...telling the truth! At least, they have the balls to take a stand and do something about it.
I'm not going to repeat what I've said previously, but from this incident that just happened as well as MrReality's bone-picking...it lets us know that we've got a lot to even out...
...and lastly--AWWW...FORGET IT!
I'm never going to post here again! Sever ties if you must...
...FOR A HOUSEBOY!
Eman (Emmanuel Matteer Jr.)
Emma.noelle.blay@hotmail.com
forahouseboy.blogspot.com
*****masculism is a black male's best friend!!!!!*****
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