True-Equality.org Releases Anticipated DV Study

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Mr. Reality's New Story: MAMA's BOYS: The dependency factor and how women create and nourish it in men

While I agree with the strong criticisms of VAWA I have concerns about the writer's views of MRA's. Near the end of the html piece you will find:

Meanwhile, back in the trenches of the gender war, women and men's groups hurl vitriol at each other backed by a seemingly infinite arsenal of fallacious arguments. We witness each side peddling their respective reality distortions to anyone who will listen or is trapped in the path of a ranting advocate's guilt trip.

The women are screaming about how they are controlled and battered by the dark forces of the evil patriarchy, despite clear evidence they are as guilty as men are in perpetrating partner violence, control tactics, and that most cases of partner violence resulting in injuries are the result of substance abuse, personality disorders, selfish indignation and ignorance; not gender or ideology.

They will tell you at the top of their lungs and in flaming emails how fragile and helpless women are, while pounding their fists on the nearest flat surface. Remember one thing girls, actions do speak louder than words.

The men counter with their theory of an anti-male agenda. Really? Most of the legislators who promulgated this social disaster are men, most of the judges are men, and most of the law enforcement officers who will arrest you are men. Are these men's rights groups subconsciously professing that men are inherently self-destructive?

Voicing an anti-mra message within a criticism of VAWA seems odd at best. The MRA's have been the ones who have been saying these very things for well over 10 years. Worse yet, to use an MRA web site to promote that sort of message seems suspect. What's up with this?

As soon as I saw..

1. The usage of women as victims to aid her argument. Remember it is only an issue if women are affected!

2. The dismissal of anti-male bias and the relying on the "frontman fallacy"(and an arrogant dismissal of the fact that women control the vote, the wealth, the socialization of the male from birth which programs men to serve women or he is not a "real man", personal relationships, social climates and many government organizations[and women-only pressure groups] created by women that push women's issues relentlessly) to support her argument.

3. The comparing of the very real problems (such as how false and lopsided VAWA is! Her reason for writing this paper!) of the Men's Rights Movement to the ideological and usually false claims of the Feminist movement. I knew something was up..

In Closing: The article was written by Terry Lynn Tersak. A female writing about "TrueEquality" is like a klansmen writing about ending racism.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: MAMA's BOYS: The dependency factor and how women create and nourish it in men

The DV hysteria industry is second only to the campus "rape crisis" industry in the degree to which it distorts reality.

I learned a long time ago that when you see a system that is obviously broken and dysfunctional -- ask yourself -- "who is this working for?"

Behind every broken system there are people who are being well served...

"The men counter with their theory of an anti-male agenda. Really? Most of the legislators who promulgated this social disaster are men, most of the judges are men, and most of the law enforcement officers who will arrest you are men. Are these men's rights groups subconsciously professing that men are inherently self-destructive?"

This has to be one of the dumbest gender feminist statements that I often see thrown in men's faces. Women are the majority of the electorate. Fifty three percent (53%) by most of the accounts I see. Ane the gender feminist agenda does control most university and college settings where most of the bogus gender feminist research comes from. Embracing the fraudulent gender feminist ideology is about the only way a social scientist will get money to do research these days.

Leftist politicians are 100% locked in to pleasing women and getting the women's vote, and chivalrous conservative politicans are too, even though from a totally different perspective. Both fear the loss of this huge voting block, more than any concern for men. Both fear the noise that radical feminists can make - potentially career destroying.

Women are the clear majority of those getting college and university degrees these days, yet women opt out of serving in public office not because of a glass ceiling, but because of "the mommy wall," and all the pampering and secuity they get from that. Hey, read Pocketbook Power,

"Women make 88 percent of all U.S. retail purchases. Some experts even predict that, by 2020, women will control most of the money in America. Women control 88 percent of all purchases."

At the recent historic domestic violence conference in Sacramento it was pointed out that Chivalry serves to "protect" women. I guess the authoress must have missed that conference or miss that part.

..whenever a man reveals a fact that they disagree with or don't approve of.

The worst part about it is the fool didn't even use an intellectual rebuttal(Instead using the stereotypical anti-male shaming tactic) because there are no rebuttals when dealing with a FACT.

I'd be worried about any organization called "True Equality" ran by a woman. If anything women have shown they know nothing about equality and respect for men.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: MAMA's BOYS: The dependency factor and how women create and nourish it in men

-Laurence J. Peter

"You will not, nor should you expect yourself or others, to agree with everything someone else says or writes, or everything you say or write." [Matt]

I must disagree. As far as I know EVERYONE agrees with everything I say and write.

I'm just being a wise ass and having some fun.

Actually most here would agree I am a wise ass!!

Matt -- I don't think anyone is complaining that the piece was posted or asking that it be taken down.

I think the important part of this is the tactic of polarizing MRA's and radical feminists with the implication that they are actually the same. In my mind this is disingenuous and very misleading. It is the MRA's who have been voicing concerns over the bias shown in the VAWA for many years and yet she now feels free to label those men as groups that "hurl vitriol" "backed by a seemingly infinite arsenal of fallacious arguments." This sort of description is highly innaccurate and hurts our movement if allowed to stand. The culture already has a very negative view of anyone involved in "men's rights" and comments like this are only feeding the cultural stereotype and disrespecting a compassionate and hard working group of volunteers who have been fighting an uphill battle against a huge mega-industry based on womanitarianism. I for one, won't stand idle when I hear that sort of crap. Yes, she has already heard from me.

Another woman dismissing facts that show men are victims of misandry(which is why this report even exists in the first place)? *Yawn* Happens all the time.

I recall Wendy McElroy whining that MRAs were putting hits out on her or some dumb shit like that. Women are fucking crazy man. *Chuckles*

They can't tell the 100% truth if their life depended on it.

Either way, I'm not feeling this skank. She seems like a cad. Oh no, women are being made sex slaves! NOW we must look at the DV industry and believe what MRAs have been telling us and in the same breath attempt to dismiss the very misandry we are reporting on as being false because it affects men. After all "men" aren't 1st-class citizens anyway, like women. By the way, "women" are being hurt!

*Alert sounded*

Let's finally act(on behalf of women which we claim are being abused just like the feminists often claim)! "Women" are in trouble! Powers of chivalry activate!

Right. *Takes a seat and pours a glass of lemonade*

I'm on my way girls...just wait for me.

To make matters worse she falls back on the "women and children are being hurt so we MUST do something" spiel while using the government as a scapegoat(not realizing the government is a dependent variable not an independent one).

I wrote an article on how women (and manginas) constantly use the "women and children" spiel just the other day. "Men" have been under fire from misandry for years, but it's an epidemic because women and children are supposedly getting hurt(even though women are largely responsible for this crap in the first place)? Give me a f-ing break skank!

The "women and children" spiel is getting old.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Rudov on Radio: "Making your partner/Spouse your top priority"

It turns out that we are not the only ones that have caught the scent of something fishy when it comes to T. Lynn Tersak. All of her articles usually showcase "women as victims" in some way while never mentioning the actual victims, men. Sound familiar? As stated before others also agree this is the case with this woman. "True Equality" my ass. Also, her website is "True-Equality.org" not to be confused with the highly effective "TrueEquality.com" which I am assuming she copied off of.

The quality of the latter site is much better.

As far as Terri Lynn Tersak's ideology..

My new article explains much: Mr. Reality check: Terri Lynn Tersak: A Feminist Trojan Horse?

Here's a small snippet lifted from Terri Tersak's own hand: "The women of True Equality Network, most of who are themselves victims of severe domestic violence," Check out my site to read the complete article. It's an eye opener.

All I can say is someone is obsessed with the feminist "women are victims" spiel.

*Shakes Head*

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Rudov on Radio: "Making your partner/Spouse your top priority"

Glad you like the "womanitarian." I hope we can spread it around! It's quick and tells a story. This is the sort of thing we need to develop. Short sound bites that tell a story and make people think. BTW the pronounciation is WHOA-MAN!-i-tair-ee-uhn. lol

I've recently started calling feminist revisionist history "mythory" in my debates online. The women hate it.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse

1) Fallacious Arguments:
Submitted by MrReality on Fri, 2008-03-21 03:56:
All of her articles usually showcase "women as victims" in some way while never mentioning the actual victims, men.[emphasis added]

Please review "How the Failure of Welfare Reform Created Our Lawless Courts," "Abuses by the States of the Child Support Performance and Incentive Act (CSPIA)," "Modifications to Federal Statutes Required to Disincentive Paternity Fraud," "Procedurally Defeated: Law Without Laws," "VAWA: A four-letter word that means tyranny,," "Senator Joseph Biden: A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing," and "Are We A Nation Of Whores?.

Analysis of her work since 2005 reveals that 87.5% of her published words were devoted to exposing the bias and abuses against men and false statistics about them.

2) Making death threats to women who refuse to be the servants of the men's rights extremists.

3) Threatening their children who happen to answer the phone.

4) Telling their children over the phone, "... your lying whore mother is going to be murdered."

5) Exposing their own narcissism by publicly complaining that someone witting isn't "all about them."

6) Proving they are in fact as dangerous as the radicals they claim to oppose, by acting out equally as dangerous.

There's a great deal more, but I'll leave that to the law enforcement officers who are tracing the death threat calls made to our child.

Cheers,
Terry S. Tersak, PhD, JD
Chairman & COO
True Equality Network

You know what is really tragic, MrReality?

If you describe the true nature of women, discuss it, post about it -- a lot of MEN will accuse you of being unmanly.

Chivalry in its last dying days.

I hope to live long enough to see this gender superiority entitlement BS ended for good.

But I probably won't.

Because as long as "pussy" remains the true currency, there will be little progress.

Legalize prostitution, and the currency (i.e. marriage) is over!

Also we need a male birth control pill.

If feminists were actually for gender equality, why are they not vocally advocating for these tools to create real equality?

I wish I knew who the culprit was because I would be just as pissed.

The majority of the guys here are good people unfortunately there's always one or two that do more harm than good.

I've actually received nasty posts simply because I hope to get married and have children one day.

But as I mentioned, most of us are fine.

As for my contribution to MANN?

My best work involves debates about the Rolling Stones.

In all seriousness I believe they're are many mens rights issues which should be championed.

I simply like to have fun with some of this stuff.

.....................................................

I do have a gender question about my girlfriend.

Why does she hate pro-wrestling?

Is this a female thing?

Get this, she thinks its fake!

I'm just kidding

Happy Easter

This is the wrong thread to be posting this in. Also, jumping to conclusions based off of hearsay is the mark of a fool.

None of Terri's claims have been verified nor is it a fact that IF the call actually was made that it was a member of MANN. Terri could be lying; women have been known to do that quite often. The indirect snipes at "certain members" is childish and unwarranted. We don't need feminist hysteria being built on MANN over a woman's claims. If she's telling the truth, the truth will come out. Leave it at that.

Also: This is a public site, anyone can read it. Again, these are allegations coming from a woman who sees women as victims and claims MRAs -- who are responsibe for the small bit of equality we are seeing today finally -- hurl lies and vitriol.

Good day.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse

"The indirect snipes at "certain members" is childish an unwarranted." [reality]

Those "snipes" were never aimed at you or anyone in particular. Being too sensitive is the mark of a fool.

Those "snipes" were never aimed at you or anyone in particular.

You were referring to members of MANN as verified by your own post here: "The majority of the guys here are good people unfortunately there's always one or two that do more harm than good."

Also, your entire post is written as if the allegations have already been proven to be true. You even specifically told me it was a "gift to me" in the other thread. Facts are her allegations (which is all they are right now) haven't been proven and yet you went into an entire emotional tirade over how the "majority of the guys here are good...blah, blah, blah and they wrote you nasty posts blah, blah, blah" based on these unproven accusations.

Thus if anyone is overly sensitive on the subject it would be you. Noone else seems to be as worked up as you are. Also, anymore baiting and I'll report you to Matt. It's clear you have a problem with me you just can't let go of, but I'm afraid you're going to have to.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse

Yes, there are one or two that do more harm than good.

I think your a bit paranoid becuase you think those "snipes" were aimed at you.

I have a question.

Do you believe my comment has somehow disrespected the other members of MANN?

I submitted my reply at the same time as you so I couldn't read your comment until afterwards.

I have no issues. I'll move on.

Ah, she is here. Armed with histrionics, falsehood and a library of her own writings(which she obviously believes I am going to waste time with). I can already see the typical feminist fear tactics which rely more on emotion than common sense in your post.

Let us begin..

1. Please review "How the Failure of Welfare Reform Created Our Lawless Courts," "Abuses by the States of the Child Support Performance and Incentive Act (CSPIA)," "Modifications to Federal Statutes Required to Disincentive Paternity Fraud," "Procedurally Defeated: Law Without Laws," "VAWA: A four-letter word that means tyranny,," "Senator Joseph Biden: A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing," and "Are We A Nation Of Whores?.

If you seriously expect me to cruise through every single one of those reports "in detail" to appease you; sadly, you are mistaken.

The point you're attempting to make is moot, especially since "victimhood of women(and sometimes children)" happens to be one of your main issues in the DV article posted above (where men whom are usually jailed under false DV accusations -- and have their lives ruined -- are minimized in relation to the claim that "women are the true victims" of the DV industry) and is usually present to some extent in nearly every single article you have written. As if you are obsessed with such tripe.

The fact cannot be denied that a great deal of your "quest for equality" focuses on "women(and often children)" as victims.

From the "True Equality" Network: The women of True Equality Network, most of who are themselves victims of severe domestic violence, have spent almost five years in courthouses interviewing over 15,000 plaintiffs in domestic violence cases just before they entered the courtroom. The overwhelming number of those interviewed did not attempt to mask the real reasons they filed a domestic violence claim: control, money, and revenge — for everything you could possibly imagine — everything except acts of domestic violence.

Also: Do note that all of the arguments posted above were originally (and still are) presented by MRAs (yet without the "woman as perpetual victim" spin your writings seem to rely heavily on) whom you claim "make fallacious arguments."

2. Making death threats to women who refuse to be the servants of the men's rights extremists.

Argumentum in terrorem mixed with the typical brown shirts charge. Moreover, feminists have been making such claims about men in general for years now and a significant number of said claims have been found to be false.

3. Threatening their children who happen to answer the phone.

Again an unverified claim -- meant to play on emotions and instill "fear" of MRAs -- made by a woman whom obviously has more than a little bias against MRAs. An allegation does not qualify as a fact until proven dear. Moreover, it must also be proven that the "alleged call" was actually made by an MRA. I can call an MRAs home and make a reference to a feminist website after making a threat. The trick is I do not have to actually be a member of said website or be an actual feminist in order to do this.

Should all of those requirements be met "first" you must be intelligient enough to realize that the action of one does not translate into the actions of the many? To reiterate all of the aforementioned requirements (which also must be met) are hinged upon how truthful your allegation is.

It would appear your "fallacious arguments" are falling apart.

Next point..

4. Telling their children over the phone, "... your lying whore mother is going to be murdered."

Watch the Lifetime channel much? They too promote the ideology of "woman as victim" in such an extreme fashion.

Either way we've already been through this. You're simply making the same allegations women have made about men (especially men they don't agree with) since feminism came on the scene. Move on..

5. Exposing their own narcissism by publicly complaining that someone witting isn't "all about them."

Witting? I am guessing you meant "writing"? Witting refers to cognizance and/or awareness of something. You can't be referring to your anti-Men's Rights rants as being "knowledgeable." Furthermore, who is "they"? A logical thought pattern would reveal that one person's comment does not condemn everyone else. I also fail to see where MRAs were complaining that "someone 'witting' isn't all about them."

I do see where a "factual" statement was made that Terri Lynn Tersak tends to focus on "women as victims" an awful lot in the story posted above. Terri Lynn Tersak also very rarely mentions "male victims" with the same zest in the majority of her homemade documents as she does alleged female victims.

6. Proving they are in fact as dangerous as the radicals they claim to oppose, by acting out equally as dangerous.

Charge of Endangerment (Code Orange) - The Elevated Threat Charge

Discussion: The target is accused of being a menace in some undefined manner. This charge may be coupled with some attempt to censor the target.

Examples:
"You guys are scary."
"You make me feel afraid."

Response: It may be constructive to point out that only bigots and tyrants are afraid of having the truth expressed to them. One may also ask why some women think they can handle leadership roles if they are so threatened by a man's legitimate freedom of expression.

There's a great deal more, but I'll leave that to the law enforcement officers who are tracing the death threat calls made to our child.

This does not concern me in the least.

In Closing: You are extremely see through, utilizing the very same "fear" tactics the feminists do in a futile attempt to damage the MR movement. Your smear campaign; armed with fallacious arguments and ridiculous claims that MRAs are all violent will not carry you far. You will not be allowed to hoist falsehoods upon the honorable men that call themselves MRAs nor will your antics be entertained by myself any longer.

If your child was indeed threatened then contacting the authorities is a wise decision. However, noone can verify whether you are telling the truth as of now; and since you have a history of lying when it comes to the Men's Rights Movement, who knows....

Mr. Reality grows sick of the "womanitarian" invasions.

NOTE: Obviously the Terry posting here is Terri's doormat(I mean husband). Who the hell is gonna know that? Both of these jokers are named Terry(LoL)and its not like they are actually important people in the world or anything. So here's a correction. Happy?

Not that it matters much both share the same flawed ideology. Also, debates utilize intellect not physical body size so it doesn't matter if you are 4'11 or 6'4 (You're online Einstein!) it's your position that is being weighed and tested(and in their case debunked). The whole don't criticize girls/women thing is "old, feminist and outdated." If you can't take it go bake cookies in the kitchen.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse

I just had to respond to Terri's post. I probably won't be on for the rest of the night. I just may even decide to drop this debate too. I've been debating too many trolls recently. Why? I don't know you can't change their minds, especially when they have an agenda.

It's not really worth my time..

Enjoy your night gentlemen!

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse

It says, "Most of the legislators who promulgated this social disaster are men, most of the judges are men, and most of the law enforcement officers who will arrest you are men."

That logic is extremely faulty, and in fact is frequently used by feminists.

Men are not guilty as a class, for what SOME men do. It's reminiscent of blaming the victim. Besides, the situation cannot be reduced to the actions of individuals..for example, judges who discriminate against men in divorce settlements, are to a large extent acting out of fear of what reaction might come from ideological feminists, if they (the judges) begin to take a more reasonable stance, rather than one which totally favors women.

Probably an even better example, is that police officers who arrest men who have been alleged to commit domestic violence, are acting under the heavy influence of their "duluth model" training..this training being based on feminist lies, and the training itself usually given by radical feminists.

This type of reaction from a supposed "equality" website, shows just how successful radical feminists have been in convincing people, that men are to blame no matter what the circumstance or outcome is.

MR, you needn't have been so long-winded to refute the statement, as it can be easily refuted based on it's illogical nature. Although I'm glad you posted what you did.

-ax

Dr. Peter is one of my all-time favorites! Everything he wrote in the 70's and 80's, is as germane today as it was back then. One of my favorite quote's of his, which could probably be applied to many feminist arguments, is

"It's only one step from the sublime to the ridiculous, but there's NO ROAD BACK from the ridiculous to the sublime."

(I sure wish there was a way to use italics on this board. I dunno, is there?)

-ax

Submitted by anthony on Fri, 2008-03-21 21:53.

"I do have a gender question about my girlfriend.

Why does she hate pro-wrestling?

Is this a female thing?

Get this, she thinks its fake!"

My wife and her friend refer to it as "interesting choreography." They don't hate for it as much as they laugh at it. So based on my extremely limited study group, there is the appearance that they don't hate it as much as they think it is a waste of time. I would their disinterest in pro-wrestling on a par with the disinterest most of the men I know have with soap operas. As for it being a girl thing. Based on the percentage of girls I see in attendance at the matches on TV, I would say no.

Submitted by MrReality on Sat, 2008-03-22 01:34.
Why Terri Lynn Tersak is using outdated feminist tactics.
Ah, she is here. Armed with histrionics, falsehood and a library of her own writings ...

pusillanimous = cowardly

Cowardly traits.
1) Hiding behind a fake name on an Internet site bashing women.
2) Insulting a woman for her husband's post (a.k.a. picking on 4' 11" girls because you think you can hurt them, but won't stand up to a man).
3) Defending child abusers because you know you can hurt children.
4) Behaving like radical feminists because you think it may work for you too.
5) Bashing radical feminists after acting like one. Where in reality, you are just jealous of their success with being evil and abusive.

Cheers,
Terry S. Tersak, PhD, JD
Chairman & COO
True Equality Network

As I said before this nonsense isn't worth my time anyway.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse

Shouldn't it be spelled --

mytheory or shetheory of hertheory?

Maybe mythwhory?

It must really drive feminists crazy to see men interrogating their language of power-and-control with greater and greater effectiveness.

The girls are gettin' scared!

Deal with it.

Beyatches....

Hi Axolotl,

To use italics, use the "em" HTML tag, which stands for emphasis. Type your content like this:

<em>What you want italicized</em>

The italic on this website looks like this.

You can also get the same effect by typing < cite >.

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Mr. Reality's New Story: Terri Lynn Tersak: Another Feminist Trojan Horse