Tim Lott: Orange Prize for women is sexist

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"The country's leading literary award for women novelists is sexist and should be scrapped, a prominent male novelist claimed yesterday.

Tim Lott said the £30,000 Orange Prize - founded 13 years ago amid claims that women writers fared poorly in awards such as the Booker Prize - was "discriminatory, sexist and perverse".

He said: "I know that I face derision and ridicule but a lot of writers I have spoken to find it [the prize] ridiculous and unfair..."

...Girls in schools are more literate than boys, and pupils are taught reading mainly by female teachers promoting mainly female writers.

"Could the establishment of a men-only prize, with men-only judges, be justified given their level of relative exclusion in schools and the marketplace? Can you imagine the derision with which it would rightly be met?"

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Never heard of neither Tim Lott nor Orange Prize, but it's interesting how in Britain girls in schools simultaneously can be "more literate than boys" and in the same time consume more alcohol than boys:

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Hundreds of children under the age of eight have been admitted to hospital suffering from the effects of alcohol, figures reveal.
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By last year, the number of girls taken to hospital had soared by almost 50 per cent to 4,538, compared with 3,686 boys.

BINGE BRITAIN

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Very curious facts.

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Single men is the only social group benefited from feminism.

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I know, this guy knows, and every other male writer knows, that women writers who win prizes are almost always mediocre compared to those who are men. That's why I myself think that in a way it's a good idea to have a few women-only awards, as long as it isolates the (mediocre) women and thus ensures they do not win Pulitzers. Unfortunately, that is not what actually happens..instead, women win other awards too (which they usually wouldn't win if they were men, since as I mentioned, they're mediocre).

I have never even encountered a single woman writer, who could hold a candle to John Updike, leave alone Balzac, Hardy or Sterne. Nope - not even Jane Austen, or the feminist pig Virginia Woolfe.

Also lots of these mediocre women writers, especially the modern ones, heavily insert feminist views into their writing; for example Joyce Carol Oates and Alice Walker. That probably increases their chances of getting awards even more.

-ax

PS - I'm sure you guys are aware by now, that it was a man who wrote "Frankenstein", not a woman. i.e. it was written by Percey Shelley, not his vindictive wife Mary (there is irrefutable evidence for this..see "The Man Who Wrote Frankenstein")

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George Eliot did not use a man's name because she "wouldn't get sold as a woman". That's feminist propaganda. (as usual - see Moxon's book on this).

-ax

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Let's see women steal inventions(See the Ada myth. Her writings were actually from Babbage), movements(The Civil Rights Movement was not started by Rosa Parks), writings, wealth, emotions(Women always expect men to support the emotionally but turn the cheek when men need the same), etc.

The hypocritical part is they give little or nothing at all in return. A woman considers a man with no money a bum even while she herself may be broke. A woman considers a man who is showing his pain at being honestly forced into second-class citizenship a baby or a wimp; even while women -- and the bastards they give birth to -- whine and cry over "imagined" slights daily.

The female gender could honestly be labelled "The master thieves."

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As a computer programmer, I'd be interested in that. Ada Lovelace was supposedly the person who tried to implement Henry Babbage's "Analytical Engine". She ended up having a programming language named after her. Did she purloin writings from Babbage, do you know?

As for Rosa Parks, I never could figure out what the big deal was. Some lady wouldn't sit down in a bus..so they were going to bury her in the Capitol Rotunda. I'm not taking anything away from African-Americans, I'm just speculating that that particular scenario (the bus) probably happened thousands of times, but she just happened to do it and have it publicized in such a way, as to capture the public's fancy and so go down in history.

The nation was already ripe for a Civil Rights Movement anyway. It's like saying Crispus Attucks started the Revolutionary War.

-ax

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The Ada Myth

As far as Rosa Parks, she didn't organize or start anything. The only thing she did was excelerate wheels which were already in motion(via the work of black men). You're absolutely correct in stating that "all she did was refuse to give up her seat." Yet she is labelled the "mother" of the civil rights movement as if she gave birth to it, organized it and ran it. She did none of those things and yet her small fiasco on the bus is trumpeted to the ends of the Earth.

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" in today's Foucaultian academic world, transgression is the mode du jour. It's what we have come to. It sells books and movies. It also buys tenure. "

It might also be a myth that Grace Hopper invented the FORTRAN programming language. I read that in at least one place.

-ax

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Awarding a literary prize for women writers is like bestowing a certificate of appreciation for chimpanzees who can bang on a typewriter.

Why are there NO significant female philosophers?

It's not because they cannot scribble their thoughts.

It's because their thoughts are trivial.

And the other problem is that female literary geniuses tend to be kind of frumpy and have small boobs and they don't show up on TV very often in skimpy dresses...

It's basically a huge marketing challenge.

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That is one hell of a fine piece of writing on your web site MrReality!

I especially appreciate your argument that it is women's basic nature that is at the heart of the gender war dilemma -- that's why I am so fond of referencing Arthur Schopenhauer and Friedrich Nietzsche in their writings about women.

Feminism did not CAUSE anything. It is simply a manifestation of an already existing nature.

We inhabit a planet of vampires.

They are easily identified through a simple chromosomal deficiency.

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She was one of the "developers" of COBOL not FORTRAN.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper

COBOL

She later returned to the Navy where she worked on validation software for the programming language COBOL and its compiler. COBOL was defined by the CODASYL committee which extended her FLOW-MATIC language with some ideas from the IBM equivalent, the COMTRAN. However, it was her idea that programs could be written in a language that was close to English rather than in machine code or languages close to machine code (such as assembly language), which is how it was normally done at that time. It is fair to say that COBOL was based very much on her philosophy.

Standards

In the 1970s, she pioneered the implementation of standards for testing computer systems and components, most significantly for early programming languages such as FORTRAN and COBOL. The Navy tests for conformance to these standards led to significant convergence among the programming language dialects of the major computer vendors. In the 1980s, these tests (and their official administration) were assumed by the National Bureau of Standards (NBS), known today as the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).

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Ada, Rosa, this woman and hundreds of others given titles they don't deserve off of someone else's work. That's the female claim to fame. Women are attempting to rewrite history with their pseudoscience and fiction; within a few years if you don't actually read(and know actual history as opposed to the politically correct pro-female drivel the media feeds you) you'll think it was women -- not men -- that invented damn near everything.

Scandalous eh?

See how much women lie(and how idiotic men in the mainstream support their lies)? It's pathetic...really.

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First of all, welcome to the board.

Now, not everything on Wikipedia is realiable..especially if they have one of those little notes that says something like "needs verification". As it were right now, I'm too lazy to go to that site and view the particular entries you mention. But even if they're 100% valid, I agree that you should put the word "developed" in quotes. In fact considering this lady was an admiral, I don't see where she did anything extraordinary (of course I would give her credit for becoming an admiral in the first place, that is no mean achievement. Although she was probably a Rear Admiral, the lowest admiral rank, just below Vice Admiral. Few people make it to (full) Admiral).

The trivia I read about FORTRAN was that it was actually developed by a small group of people who isolated themselves in a hotel room for a few days, with Hopper supposedly supervising the group, but with all she did amounting to darting in and out of the room a few times. Have you ever heard that scenario? I can't remember where I read it, but I do not recall it being from an industry journal or publication, or especially an academic text (no doubt PC feminism exists even in computer science departments).

-ax

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What about Hannah Arendt..whose few books occupy vast footage in the Borders "philosphy" section - all out of proportion to her actual "value" to the field.

What about de Beauvoir..the feminist pig who thought all gender (or at least the female gender) is socially constructed? Why people even count her as a philosopher, I'll never understand. I'll also never understand how Jean-Paul let himself be suckered into the relationship..I guess intelligence isn't always accompanied by common sense.

As an aside, Sartre's greatest contribution to the modern men's movement is the phrase "bad faith". As in, women act in bad faith when they pretend they're oppressed.

-ax

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Apparently, Einstein's first wife wrote the theory of relativity, according to this flashy feminist website.

The reality is that she was a mediocre thinker who actively prevented Einstein from contacting his children after they split.

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Albert dictated it to her, and she wrote it. So?
I guess she was doing work equivalent to a secretary, but unpaid, so there was a wage gap in the marriage.
-ax

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They would engage in feminist revisionist pseudo-history all of the time. Basically they took nearly every great man, reduced him to a coward and liar and then attributed all of his inventions and achievements to some unknown woman.

They even had the two main characters engaging in a lesbian relationship at times. This is why if you get your information from pop culture media, women, sex-starved nerds that will say anything to get a stale piece of ass, politicians, or best-selling novels you're an idiot. Intelligient men don't accept anything coming from FEMamerica at face value; because usually at its core what they are selling you is yet something else false, which is attempting to place women in a position they don't deserve.

You want prestige and want to go down in history as something other than greedy whores? Earn your fucking place girls; like men have to do EACH AND EVERYDAY. Men don't get a break, why should women keep getting numerous breaks(for being greedy and doing nothing extraordinary)?

No freebies, get to work skanks.

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Feminism did not CAUSE anything. It is simply a manifestation of an already existing nature.

This is what I have always said. Anyone with a brain will see that feminism is simply another manifestation of "The Predatory Female" mindset. Just as the Women's Klan was before it. Remember women have done this before; durng the WKKK times it was "black" men that were rapists and abusers(according to propaganda spread by the WKKK. They were also responsible for laws that were biased against black men) and the klansmen were the enforcers that did the hanging, now they have expanded the charge to include ALL MEN and the new enforcers are the police and the so-called "justice system", the feminists(The WKKK in another form) are now spreading the same hate literature. Same spiel, different timeframe. Men need to wake up and smell the estrogen.

Women are expert manipulators and liars. They are always 100 steps ahead of men in the manipulation and lying game, because men actually fall in love with women. Women don't fall in love with men, they just love the word love. A woman can "love" her shoes. That's how trivial it is to them. Now that men are starting to wake up -- and call a bitch a bitch -- in order to avoid accountability women are claiming they are not "feminists." As if feminism is the source rather than merely being a manifestation of women's negativity. If you take notice the women that claim they are "not feminists" usually still live their lives according to the same tenets that feminists promote; women are equal, but somehow much better than men. It's a farce. Feminism is negative, but it is not the source. Which is why so many women that are "not feminists" still act like feminists and adhere to feminist ideology(Ever seen a woman say she is not a whore yet still exploit men for financial gain? I have.).

Women used feminism(A movement created from hatred and greed) to express their hatred and greed in the political arena and now that the game is almost up they are using it again as a scapegoat to avoid men seeing what gave birth to (and more importantly nourished) the hate movement known as feminism.

And guess what? Men are falling for it...again.

Once feminism is gone, something else negative will take it's place(If women and their enforcers have anything to say about it) unless men finally confront the true source of all of this hatred that was around long before feminism came along.

Stop fighting the strawmen women keep setting up and get at the core.

All warfare is based on deception ~ Sun Tzu: The Art of War

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I just now saw your entry on Backus (although I didn't check it out yet). I've heard his name before. Didn't he (also) invent some other language? (I guess that's kind of off-topic - what else is new?)
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Thanks. I have been lurking on the board for a fairly long time. I want to say it's been at least 3 years, but it may be less. I happened onto the site when I was fighting my employer's "employee wellness plan" administrator because they were refusing to give me free counseling to help deal with issues I had stemming from the abuse I had endured from my ex-wife during our marriage. I had to find studies and statistics to send them before they would believe that a man could be a victim of DV.

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I know Wikipedia isn't always reliable, but I am pretty sure that section of information on Admiral Hopper is correct.

When I was taking COBOL classes in college we were allowed to read a book about her and write a report on her for some extra credit (I didn't need it, but did it so I could blow the final off). I do think she deserves a great deal of credit for COBOL even if she didn't technically develop it herself.

Before her input the language that was being developed looked more like a combination of C and Assembler (if you know languages, that isn't real pretty or easy to read). It was her influence that took the language from being fairly arcane, to being able to be read by most people - even non-programmers.

As for her role with FORTRAN, that is similar to what I have heard but that was dealing with the creation of validation processes to ensure that the machine code output by the compiler was correct. I believe FORTRAN was created primarily by Backus (who someone already mentioned) who wrote the entire language's specification and then the compiler for FORTRAN was coded by him and several other programmers.

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I probably will probably go back to lurking and won't post a whole lot, as typically by the time I see something posted most of the major points have been discussed.

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You're a programmer's programmer.
-ax

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