NYTimes: "Mom's Mad. And She's Organized"
NYTimes reports on the latest incarnation of we-deserve-it-all-and-our-way-too feminism. MRAs and fathers could take a lesson: organization and collective action are the key to successful lobbying. Alas the sad truth is that it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, if what you want is fair or not to someone else-- squeaky wheels get the grease... and the money, and the attention, etc., etc. Of course it also helps to have chivalry working for you, too. Excerpt:
'A generation of mothers who are largely perceived as postfeminist in every way, from sex to economic discrimination, has begun a consciousness-raising that is almost old-fashioned were it not for the technology involved. Raised to believe that girls could accomplish anything, these women have reached parenthood, only to find they faced many of the same pay, equity and work-family balance issues that were being fought over decades before. From that awakening, they say, has come the inkling of a new movement.
In many ways, these groups are repackaging issues that have been around for nearly 50 years and have proven intractable despite the efforts of legions of activists, lawyers and elected officials.'
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Just Say "No"
It's simple, really. No matter what some women get, they want more. Give them more, they want more still. Legal equality? Not enough. Anti-male discrimination encoded in law? Not enough. Unequal treatment favoring women in every sphere of life? Not enough. 5-7 year life expectancy gap? Not enough. No expectation that they will slave to death in high-risk jobs to pay someone for a child they can't even see? Not enough. Surrogate daddy government paid for mostly by men? Not enough. Complete control over reproduction? Not enough. Laws to give women all of the power in any business or personal interaction, with a taxpayer-funded army to enforce female will? Not enough. Debtor's prisons for men only? Not enough. Male only draft? Not enough. Lower standards of criminal responsibility? You guessed it, not enough.
The solution? Just say "NO" on one issue. Pick something at random, it really doesn't matter what it is, as long as it's something these spoiled children want this week. Just as some women only want what they think men "have" (and they usually get it), they will only want what they are told they can't have. When it comes to the entitlement princesses described in the article, simply pretend you are dealing with deeply spoiled children who have gotten their way on every single petulant demand and gotten results with every angry tantrum for more for over 40 years. Now you know what you're dealing with.
Many women want BOTH the rights AND the responsibilities of men, and I respect them greatly for it - they are truly our "equals" in the social sense of the word. But many other women want the responsibilities of children and the rights of men. I say we as a society (i.e. BOTH men and women who see through this act) start treating them the way they're acting: as children.
For example, let's ban nylons and stockings. For no reason at all. Some women will scream discrimination. So we'll make nylons available, but attach some bullshit condition. Some women will scream discrimination. So we'll make nylons mandatory. Some women will scream discrimination. But at least they'll stop making up fairy-tales about wage gaps and such.
And so on.
And so on.
And so on.
The secret to co-existing with such women and their mouthpieces in the media? Deny them something they want but don't need. Then they'll trample one another to get it, forgetting all about everything else, leaving the rest of us men and women (i.e. ADULTS) to get on with our lives.
As mom and dad used to say: "if you don't stop crying, I'll give you something to cry about!" Many women are acting like spoiled children these days. Let's treat them that way. Call the WAAAAAHmbulance! Some woman somewhere can't be a stay-at-home mom and a doctor too! WAAAAAH! I want everything the boys have, but I don't want to be held to the same standards of responsibility! WAAAAAH! You get the picture.
As I said, many women are healthy, mature adults who are simply doing their own thing, and who compete quite nicely with men on their own terms while taking full responsibility for themselves. In my opinion, such women are part of the solution, not part of the problem. The problem is the millions of spoiled female BRATS that have come out of the ass of the feminist movement. We, as mature men and women, need to deal with their spoiled behavior appropriately. Saying "NO" is the first step to dealing with any spoiled child.
Here! Here!
Nicely put RandomMan!
To bad we still have the overindulged brain dead presidential candidates watching this filth and thinking it's a good way to get elected to give these whining women whatever it is they think they don't already have.
Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama will be beating each other up over who can over deliver on these nut jobs demands as they make their race for the Ovary office.
As Matt said, the truth of the situation doesn't matter, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
These women are already getting a private one sided audience with whoever the next president of the United States will be. How do you counter that?
WTF - again
One cannot read more than 2 consecutive sentences in the article, without saying "bullshit". For example, what do they mean "workplace discrimination against mothers" still exists??? I was just reading the other day (in "Legalizing Misandry"), how currently, being pregnant can qualify a woman for disability pay from her job (by law).
No doubt it is these women's "ex's" who foot the bill, which allows them to sit around and engage in this sort of luxury.
Just an aside, but doesn't that photo of the woman (first photo in article, on top left), seem to indicate that she is a little too old, to have been raised in a time when girls were told they can "do anything"? Just an observation.
-axo
P.S. RandomMan, your scheme with the nylons would not work. Denying women nylons would cause their legs to become colder in winter, resulting in goosebumps and redness..then they would sue the manufacturers (who removed them from the market) for emotional distress...since we know women are objectified for their "beauty power" by the patriarchy. Thus, they can complain about this objectification as they have been doing, while at the same time taking legal action if they lose beauty.
Mixed Reactions....
After spending a few minutes perusing the mom's web site, I came away with mixed reactions ...
"... mothers are less likely to be hired, will make less money, and are more scrutinized for wrongdoing than either single women or men."
I would love to see the research citations for this opinion, but there are none to be found. "Scrutinized for wrongdoing" is a very weird phrase.... does it mean companies have a special surveillance policy for mothers? Is not showing up for work "wrongdoing?" Huh?
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"The seeds for MomsRising were planted in 2004, when Ms. Blades read a book about women and politics by Kristin Rowe-Finkbeiner, 36, a married mother of two. Ms. Blades, 51, said she was astonished to find that many younger women didn’t identify with feminism and by the data showing vast disparities in incomes between mothers and fathers, with single mothers faring particularly badly."
I'm astonished she was astonished re. the demise of feminism among young women. They not only grasp that they are NOT discriminated against, but that they enjoy gender supremacy in a cultural matriarchy focused on pleasing women! The data disparities have all been thoroughly examined by Warren Farrel, but I guess oppressed moms don't have time to read.
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"For women, I know we want to lead more meaningful lives and make a difference, but it’s easy to feel overwhelmed,” she said. “But MomsRising makes it feel manageable. Plus, it creates a community, which is really fun."
Oh gosh, let's bake some cookies and sing Helen Reddy's greatest hit. Can we have a group hug?
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"The collective goal for MomsRising.org is to build a movement for motherhood and family issues organically through friends telling friends, as well as through distribution by organizational partners, through forwarded emails, blog postings, media coverage, and word-of-mouth among mothers. Membership is free. Please join us."
"Motherhood and family...." that's pretty telling isn't it? No mention of dad. Men are indeed invisible on this site, unless ...
You do a word search on "father" or "dad" and then you get some interesting dad-blog links and comments like this one --
"As a guy, I can thinking of nothing more subversive of "traditional" conservative values than the fact that I chose to stay home full-time with my daughter for the first two years of her life; that I chose to downsize career ambitions to spend time with my kids and to be more involved in their lives than I could have if I had followed my earlier ambitions. I understand that in many ways my ability to do this is related to my class privilege and educational background. Nevertheless, I think that exactly because of those factors, and the resultant fact that I had many other options, it is important for me to take steps to undermine gender hierarchies in the eyes of my kids as well as in my wider community...."
http://daddychip2.blogspot.com/2006/09/raising-kids-and-social-change.html
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So, I don't know what to think about these activist moms.
But if you look at their link to affiliate organizations -- there are over 60 -- it gives you a sobering sense of where the MRA movement is at right now.
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BTW axolotl -- thanks for citing "Legalizing Misandry." I'm finishing "Spreading Misandry," the first volume in this planned three-part examination of how our culture systematically teaches contempt for men.
I understand the second book is better than the first. I'm going to buy copies of both volumes and donate them to my local library.