Fraternity Booted Off San Diego State Campus Denies Harassing Anti-Rape Activists

I am so torn by this suspension of the fraternity.

On the one hand, they guys are being singled out for what is just obnoxious behavior.

On the other hand, they were acted like assholes. As much as I detest feminists, waving a dildo is a bit silly. And they were getting drunk too often.

I think men MUST FOCUS and do better. We must stop letting the animals among us bring us down. We should try to help other guys, lift them up, but we cannot be brought down.

I have always despised the movie ANIMAL HOUSE.

I have often wondered if frats took a turn for the worse after that obnoxious movie came out.

Feminists whine about their media depictions, but the depictions of men are as bad. And men must teach each other to use the brain as often as they enjoy their bodies.

So, in one sense, I sort of agree with punishing the frats: make men start teaching each other to behave, focus, study, work and support each other.

My major concern is that there is no organization to help guys on campus transition from boys to men. While women have all sorts of organizations: Women Studies Departments, Women's Centers, Title9 centers, Diversity Centers, Rape Crisis Centers and so on.

There is nothing for the guys. And the few efforts that do exist are often led by feminists with a focus spin to accept gay men
MAJOR CAVEAT: I take NO ISSUE with gay sex. I DO take issue with h@ving gay men instruct all men in how to be men.

I see what you're saying. But consider the situation reversed, or even not -- if the girls complaining about the boys' (or just one boy's) behavior are to be held to that standard, then should they not also be punished for doing something en masse that IMO was far more categorically offensive: chanting "Fuck the frats!", as they reportedly did?

Imagine if a collection of male college students decided for whatever reason to march in a protest vs. the sororities on a campus. Imagine them chanting "Fuck the sors!" as they marched along. Now imagine a freshman ("freshperson") sorority sister held up a plastic vulva that she was carrying for some weird reason, possibly as some kind of weird pledge thing. Now that one act gets that sorority banned for 2 years.

Now imagine the sorority didn't even know what the guys were on about and suddenly they are confronted by a bunch of very angry boys chanting what amounts to "Fuck you!" at them. The only act of defiance that then comes from the girls present is from a new member (if that) of their sorority holding up a plastic model of a vulva. And somehow *she* has done something SO bad that it warrants the sorority she is with to get its charter suspended for 2 years.

Now, would *that* be fair?

But back to this case in particular, I return to the question of the principle of "college is for studying," which seems to be true for some students but apparently, not all. If colleges are going to go back to being serious about their students living under near-monastic or -cloister-like conditions (which they are not, as this would be death to enrollment and everyone knows it), shouldn't they apply such expectations uniformly. Either everyone should be allowed to "express" themselves (even using 4-letter words) or not. But as it is now, only females seem to have the right to do that, and only if the ideas expressed are deemed "acceptable" to the so-called politically correct administrations that have taken over so many of them.

This is why I now recommend to young men to avoid co-ed colleges and no matter what, to maximize the return on their scarce educational $$ and ruthlessly take a cost-benefit analytical approach to deciding whether to pursue college at all, or a trade school, or pick and choose what classes at, for example, a comm'y college, to take in specific areas of practical studies, but don't in any case consider living on any campus or in any kind of college-owned or -managed housing, and to avoid socializing with female students at the college wherever possible. Some may think this is an extreme or unwarranted kind of attitude or caution, but considering what is at stake and the obvious examples we read daily about how any accusation, substantiated or not, of any kind of misconduct made vs. a male student by a female is virtually a guaranteed scarlet letter at best or at worst finishes with an expulsion and attendant student loan debt that will be extra hard to pay off w/out a degree in something or other, I think it's sound advice. Besides, advocating that one simply minimize/avoid contact with others in a position to end one's college career (and if pursued romantically by them to turn down all such associations in favor of those not affiliated in any way with the university), even via anonymous accusation of misconduct, seems a perfectly sound suggestion. If this were the cauldron I was faced with going into if I were back at college age, it's advice I'd be glad to hear. Would I fail to take it, thinking I was *exceptional*? Well, at that age, all men are "immortal". So maybe I would not. But if I got snagged in this modern man-trap, at least I couldn't say no one warned me.