HuffPost interviews intactivist

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'HuffPost Live tackled the controversial subject of circumcision this week, speaking with a panelist who was not only vehemently opposed to the practice but felt that it created additional struggles for him as a gay man.

"I believe that I’m de-sensitized," Brian Levitt, who was circumcised as an infant, said. "Most intact men don’t understand how it works ... being a gay man, I have [an] intimate understanding [of male anatomy, which is] something that straight men don’t get."'

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Great he spoke up and spoke out! I just have two bones to pick, but otherwise, great he had the courage to be interviewed.

First is the notion that his being gay gives him a greater appreciation/understanding abt the topic than straight men have. Ludicrous. Owners of penises regardless of sexual orientation all experience the sensations of using said penises pretty much the same way (using physiology as the measuring basis, since one can never really understand how others experience anything due to "the problem of other minds"). So if losing parts thereof affect one type of said owner a certain way, it'll affect other types the same way, provided the type definition doesn't create a substantial class distinction. And in this case, it doesn't. Besides, if he's gay and thinks straight men can't understand penises like he does, but himself can't understand penises the way straight men do, then just how does he have in his own mind a basis for comparison? That is, how can a gay man understand how both a gay man and a straight man experience penile sensations, but straight men can only understand how straight men experience them? Can't have it both ways. It just don't add up. But as I said, I think he's wrong about it from the get-go. Any owner of a penis can understand the simple reasoning: Skin loss from the penis entails loss of sensation from it. One need not be gay, straight, bi, or anything else to get that. One need not even be male to get it, either!

Second, he seems to be singling out his own religious tradition for the offense on his person. He mentions it's hard to forgive the Jewish people, etc. Well, it may be tradition in Judaism to circumcise infant males, and one with a lot of emphasis, but circumcision is about the net results: was the infant/boy circumcised or not? Many infants who are not Jews have been and still are being circumcised. Religion may not be a factor, but it's still happening. So regardless of "why", the forgiveness issue applies for anyone who was circumcised regardless of their religion or lack thereof. Besides, other religious groups with circumcision in their tradition include Muslims and Coptic Christians. Men in these groups could also call out their religious affiliations, but it'd do no good, really. What needs changing isn't the religions but the tacit notions of acceptable behavior toward infants/minors. In both mainstream Islam and Judaism, there are still laws "on the books" that are no longer observed or enforced since standards around acceptable behavior have changed. The religion didn't, but behavior has. That's all that's needed here. And same goes for secular behavior. Plenty of countries/provinces/states/etc. all have laws still technically in effect but go unenforced because they've outlived their acceptability or applicability. Same phenomenon. So I see it less as a matter of needing to forgive the Jewish ppl (and BTW, at his bris, was *every durned person* of Jewish faith, or even most, present and cheering on the MD or mohel?) and more a matter of letting go the resentment for one's own sake ("Ah, Grasshopper, forgiveness is a gift to oneself, not the transgressor. The wise man forgives, but does not forget, since by forgetting, he fails to learn."). But with an awareness of circumcision's harm, he can work to get it stopped, and if he forgives the personal offense on his person, it frees up more energy in a man's psyche to allocate toward the cause of eliminating the practice of circumcision.

And with all that said, I need to go back to sticking needles into my little MD doll, the one with the sign around its neck reading "MY EVIL CIRCUMCISOR" in all-cap red letter, letters I wrote in my own blood! Arggghhhh!!!! :)

Sh!t, if you don't laugh, you'll cry/scream/both. My strategy for emotional survival as I deal with MR issues is a generous application of ironic humor. Life's a comedy to those who think, a tragedy to those who feel. Well, of course I feel. But I think, too. With MR issues, I find myself choosing to think a lot.

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I agree with you, for the most part. However, I disagree with the part about forgiving the offense necessarily making you more productive in the fight against circumcision. The reason I say this is because anger is a great motivator. I have not and will never forgive the evil doctor responsible for violating me, especially since mine resulted in an embarrassing complication which made me feel like a freak my whole life. In fact, until I know that boys are protected by law the way girls are, I will never be able to let this go. I mean, how can you move on when you know it will continue happening routinely to other males? Forgiving an offense this egregious is beyond me.

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First the gay issue:

In college, in NYC, in the late 1970's. Yes, I tried men and women. And I did notice that uncircumcised men were more sensitive. In reality, only two types of people will be able to compare the circumcised and uncircumcised male responses: straight women and gay men. And the first group is not as willing to share their experiences.

Remember that show about ten years ago? Queer Eye for the Straight Guy? I despised that show. It made straight men look like buffoons and gay men look like nellie faggots. I got to thinking that the target audience was not straight or gay men, but straight women making fun of their boyfriends, or fag hags (pejorative not intended) hating on gay men.

One reason for the advancement of feminism was the bond between straight women and lesbians. For some reason, some gay men still feel an allegiance to feminism. In time, this will end and that will accelerate the sinking of feminism. Anything to hasten the floundering of that ship is good. So if this guy wants to personally leverage his gayness to support an issue relevant to MRA, I support him with absolutely no objection.

The Jewish issue:
You will never see an anti-circ article in the NY Times. The Jewish lobby is strong. Also, whenever I argue against this practice, it is often intellectual and vocal Jews who give me the most resistance.

So, once again, I support his leveraging the Jewish issue. ANYTHING to stop this barbarism against boys.

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