
UK: One in three mothers say father should not have say in children's upbringing post-divorce
Submitted by Matt on Sat, 2014-01-11 03:17
Article here. Excerpt:
'One in three separated mothers think their children’s fathers should have no say in their upbringing, according to a report yesterday.
It found that 32 per cent of separated mothers thought that they alone had the right to make decisions about their children’s future.
The high proportion found by a survey implies that more than one in 10 of all the families in the country include mothers who do not want the fathers of their children to have a say over the future of their children.
The findings were revealed in a survey carried out for the counselling group Relate.'
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Women don't want boys to talk to men
Modern women have for a long time disapproved of spaces where men congregate with other men (or men to be), without the presence of women. For example, coffee houses were banned in 1676 by the King of England, because the King (obviously an early version of the “white knight”) bowed to pressure from women who didn’t like the fact that men were congregating therein without women. Sandman has a very interesting YouTube video called “Destroying Male Spaces – MGTOW” which documents the efforts by American women to institute Prohibition in the period 1920-1933, as a way to prevent men from congregating in bars, which were at that time most often exclusively male spaces. More recently, we see something similar in the way that radical feminists have targeted the all-male Augusta National Golf Club, claiming that it must open its doors to women. Similarly, those of us who have been married, or perhaps are still married, know that many wives try to cut off their husbands from their friends, so that the wives can have greater power over their husbands. Again we see women trying to stop men from talking to other men. Why is this? This author believes women are afraid that when men privately talk to other men, they will share their observations about women, relationships with women, what a bad deal marriage is for men, etc. Women want men to be kept in the dark about the way the current social, legal, moral, and sexual marketplace system is rigged against men. So long as men are kept away from honestly talking with other men (perhaps via over-the-top excessive concerns about homophobia), then women’s tricks, such as using their sexuality to induce a man to marry them, are likely to remain effective.
The author keeps rephrasing
The author keeps rephrasing and offers no quotes or context as to the exact questions. Don't get me wrong, I think cutting fathers out from their children is a problem, but I also want accurate information on the subject.
It's important to know if participants had to choose from a selection of answers, or free to answer in their own words. How many of these situations have a completely absent fathers?
The title says "One in three say Dad should not have say in their child's upbringing"
just below that statement it says: "32% mothers feel they can better handle problems alone". Later it says: "68 per cent of separated mothers said both parents should make decisions together about children’s futures, compared to 85 per cent of fathers."
Are all these conclusions taken from a single question on the survey? Because having the attitude that "dad should not have a say" is different then a mother's belief that she "can better handle problems alone"
I notice the article uses no quotes which leads me to believe these statements are conclusions or interpretations and not really what any mother actually said.
PS- Relate used the company YouGov to conduct the survey.. A quick google search indicates YouGov conducts telephone surveys. They randomly call people and ask if they will take a survey. Would an absent father by choice even acknowledge that he is a father in the first place to a stranger? I think the fathers most likely to give the decision making solely to the mother, are the least likely to identify themselves as fathers and therefor the least likely to participate in a survey for fathers.
I concur.
Those are all fair points, Kris.