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"Why Men Need Women"
Submitted by Matt on Mon, 2013-07-22 03:05
Ahh, the NY Times does it again, with another hit piece on men, this time from a Wharton School professor. Really, the Times has become so predictable and so self-destructive to its own subscription base. Tell me, if women seem to be so much better at so many things than men, then why is the current executive editor of the Times driving it headlong into the ground at break-neck speed? Alienating fully half your subscriber base repeatedly by trashing them simply makes bad business sense, but you'd think she'd've figured that out by now. Excerpt:
'New evidence reveals a surprising answer. The mere presence of female family members — even infants — can be enough to nudge men in the generous direction.
In a provocative new study, the researchers Michael Dahl, Cristian Dezso and David Gaddis Ross examined generosity and what inspires it in wealthy men. Rather than looking at large-scale charitable giving, they looked at why some male chief executives paid their employees more generously than others. The researchers tracked the wages that male chief executives at more than 10,000 Danish companies paid their employees over the course of a decade.
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It’s often said that behind every great man stands a great woman. In light of the profound influence that women can have on men’s generosity, it might be more accurate to say that in front of every great man walks a great woman. If we’re wise, we’ll follow her lead.'
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Men make money, women spend it... still...
Looks like that's the take-away.
Googling on the story title gets this as the second hit, a thread on the story on the Roosh boards. Aside from what Times readers wrote about it, I think you'll catch the idea. I like what user "scorpion" wrote especially, ending with:
"The work and effort of men apparently has no social value until the capital derived from that work is spent by women. Think about how fucking stupid that is for a second, then realize that's the idea being featured in the newspaper of record in an article by a professor at the best business school in the country.
And then wonder no more why Western civilization, entirely conceived, built and maintained by men, continues its nosedive."
Yep, right on!
I wonder why people don't write essays entitled "Why Women Need Men"? Possibly because it'd be as dumb as an essay called "Why Cities Need Fire Departments". It's so obvious it needs no elaboration. At times on boards I've had ppl actually ask me what men do for women, "really??". I then discuss such things as the invention of modern civilization itself and all its enabling technologies, invented all by men. Then I go on to mention all the things men do to maintain it and when they don't I point out how fast civilization falls apart. Finally I point out the obvious fact that if women the world over stopped doing anything at all for 2 weeks but watch TV-- I mean, each and every woman did NOTHING for 2 wks. but watch TV or lacking one, did literally nothing all day and night, turning yet even childcare over to fathers and brothers and uncles, fires would still get put out, criminals caught, electricty restored after storms and accidents, people rescued, EMS services maintained, business done, etc. There'd be some inconveniences but the world would turn nicely nonetheless and things'd be fine.
What if the same thing happened only with men taking those 2 weeks off? Really, what would the world look like at the end of that 2 weeks?
That usually shuts up whoever's on the other end of the debate. At that point, they know they're licked. :)
This whole article, is one
This whole article, is one big WTF??!
Now Bill Gates's female family members are responsible for his philanthropy? Funny I have heard many of his speeches as to why he has chosen to give back, and while he does mention his mother being an inspiration, it is much more about making the world a better place and him having more money than he can ever spend. He has also on many occasions mentioned that he feels inheriting too much money may be harmful and a burden to his children, so he plans to give the majority of his fortune away.
It is the masculine nature that drives men like Bill Gates to be so successful. We should be praising masculinity!
I get that biology is responsible for much of our behavior, but to say females are responsible for men acting generously is misleading as it is only part of the gender-behavior cycle. Biological behaviors are complimentary among the genders, they work in unison and are reciprocal. For society to be most successful those needs should be equal, so there is an equal trade off.
Men need women for procreation, women need men for everything else. Read Matt's comment above if you need clarification.
I thought
I thought the problem was men didn't pay women enough. When women are around, supposedly, men pay more. But then how can that be reconciled with the popular claim that men routinely underpay women?
Is there a Feminist Central somewhere that can make sure one feminist claim does not contradict another? I mean, there's a Patriarchal Central where we patriarchs all get together and decide how best to oppress women. (Of course, it's location is secret, so don't ask.)
Men tend to think in terms of internal consistency of an argument. Ask your local philosopher. Women seem to think in terms of what argument will gain them the most at any moment. It's called "women's way of knowing." Of course, once you take out the contradictions and the claims that simply aren't true, feminism pretty well collapses. Which collapse they blame on the patriarchy. So the game goes on.
There is indeed a group called "The Patriarchy"
It was a Yahoo group that I created back in 2005:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ThePatriarchy/
Description:
This is the OFFICIOUS website of The Patriarchy.
Feminists are always talking about how they are against patriarchy, or even "The Patriarchy." I find the latter term to be rather intriguing, and even amusing. It conjures up images of a group of elderly men in white robes who meet in secret locations to scheme how to benefit men by oppressing women. Such meetings would involve outlandish rituals. And edicts would be given out from some sort of Patriarchy Central to men around the world. Meanwhile, the Knights of the Patriarchal Order would ride around on horseback defending The Patriarchy, and celebrate their victories over root beer. And men would be issued Male Privileges™ cards as a bonus just for being male.
patriarchy_central@yahoo.com (to receive our regular edicts)
male_privileges@hotmail.com (for the Male Privileges™ program)
Note: It's defunct now, but in the beginning when people joined in it was a scream!
Just another effort to deny
Just another effort to deny the good men do and attribute it to women. Remember folks, men= bad, women = good.
@ mens_issues
As long as you didn't reveal the secret locations of our secret meetings and the secret handshake, all is well. I guess you didn't because no women have shown up at our local meetings. Otherwise, you'd be on double-secret probation, mister.
Maybe this is a good subject for a new Dan Brown book. "The Patriarchy Code." Or "Saints and Sinners" - and guess who the sinners are. Of course, he'd lose his Male Privileges card if he did. But I've discovered it really isn't all it's cracked up to be. :)
PS: Thanks for the heads up on that group. I seem to remember it. But gotta get back to oppressing women, you know. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.
if men stuck together as claimed
like women do, we wouldn't need MRA sites like this. examples:
guys will dump all their old friends once they get married. especially the ones she doesn't like. most guys care little if she keeps her old friends.
guys don't typically stick up for their male friends getting shafted in divorce court.
men falsely accused of d.v., rape, child molestation are typically put through hell. once in prison they are often beaten/killed by other men.
many, many men will stand up for women to the detriment of everybody involved, including children. there are scads more feminist men than MRA women. many men think women deserve to be taken care of, no matter the circumstances.
male judges are often the ones who typically hand out the unequal, much harsher sentences to men.
our western societies are full of these type examples of men/cops treating men worse that women and not sticking together, unless it is to support women maybe. years ago that million man march was all about men sacrificing more to make women happier. i tried to review what went down there and it was nauseating. those who express concern that our MRA cause could get hijacked have good reason to worry.