Wendy McElroy: 'More on why you should not volunteer with children'

In the long run, this is just another step toward radical feminism's goal of isolating men as a class, from the rest of society (women and children). The next step is to separate out boys.

I would be interested in knowing the gender composition of the jury.
-ax

The Jury was probably mostly chivalrous honorary women who feared being labeled as supporting child abusers if they did not convict.

I feel deep sympathy for this man as he may suffer a fate worse then anything in his worst nightmares in prison and his life sentence may end by murder.

It is simply not safe to convict based on testimony alone. There MUST be some supporting evidence or else we risk destroying lives.

Plus, lets say this young girl grows up and has some semblance of a conscience and regrets what she has done in her later years... well, she may end up suffering the same types of symptoms - shame, depression, regret, guilt etc.. - that real victims suffer. So to 'save' her from torment, we as a society may in fact inflict torment upon her soul if somehow she manages to develop some sort of moral fiber and sense of responsibility.

sad all around.

Also, even if he is guilty, I do not believe life is a fitting sentence for the alleged offense. He is accused of fondling, not abduction and murder. The victim does not suffer irreparable damage and it does not sound like this man poses a threat to the general population. Life seems like a ridiculous punishment for such a crime.

Virtually all other cases I've heard of where elderly men were convicted of something, even a serious felony, they didn't get prison time. It figures the fascist system would do this for (supposed) child molestation. Can you imagine being near the end of your life and getting sent to prison? Even if he isn't raped every day, I don't believe the system is designed with the medical facilities to care for the elderly. Consider that in California's prison system, an average of one inmate dies every six days due to inadequate medical care. (assumedly that doesn't count outright murders, suicieds, or terminal illnesses such as AIDS.)
-ax

p.s. one thing to keep in mind is that an honorary women is not the same as a chivalrist. One way to think of the difference is that an h.w. is generally a male liberal who is a feminist. Chivalrists usually come from the more conservative camp, though not necessarily. For example, there are probably many judges who are Democrats, but they're still chivalrist douchebags (they're too stupid to be h.w.'s)

... to express my meaning. Though men can be both chivalrous and honorary women. In this case my use of the word was referencing males instincts towards girl children. The men on the jury likely felt a very strong need to protect a small girl child which interfered with their ability to think rationally and decide the case based on the facts heard more then on an emotional basis.

In my life growing up, I have found most of the young girls I knew who got away with everything achieved their untouchable status through manipulation of their fathers more so then their mothers. They were all 'Daddies little princess' who could do no wrong in their fathers eyes. I find men much more susceptible to the emotional manipulation of their daughters and young girls in general then women are. Seems to be genetically hardwired in many men.

That phenomena was what I was referring to with the use of the word chivalrous though admittedly it may not have been the correct word to express my meaning.

Honorary women though, the meaning was as implied, stupid men who dote upon w omen's every whim to win favor with the royal class.

Another note of interest is that we on this site have read hundreds of cases of multi-year long sexual abuse of young boys by female perpetrators and not one of them has received life.

No wonder there are hardly any male teachers, mentors or "Big Brothers" anymore. Who would even want to take the chance of ending up like Mr. Tripoli? I really hate what our society has become over the last few decades. I wouldn't be surprised if I started seeing "women and children only" drinking fountains in the near future. Maybe men will have to eventually sit at the back of the bus with a barricade in place. I'm telling you guys that I'm very tempted to become a hermit and live out in the back woods somewhere. Either that or I will be fitted with a 24/7 body cam so I'll be able to prove my innocence if ever accused of this nonsense.

All this BS makes my head spin. It's really infuriating and I am sick and tired of all the ignorant people out there who pretend that these problems don't exist. I know the men on this site are not the ignorant ones, it's the other 99.9% of the population. I try to have faith in humanity but most people just can't help being sheep.

What a terrible situation. It does not seem likely that a crime occurred, and certainly not enough evidence to convict (and a life sentence for inappropriate touching ??!!).

I don't necessarily believe that the 7 yo was lying (she was 7 at the time) I think others may have convinced her that it happened, and therefor she believes it. Just like 7 year olds believe in Santa Claus even though there is no possible way for Santa to exist. If a child is told things enough times, they will start to believe it.

I really do not know how these situations get so out of hand. All females I know welcome men to interact with their children especially through schools and sports; and are concerned about the shortage of men in these positions.

As an example, there is one male kindergarten teacher at my local grade school. All of the mothers are trying desperately to get their children in his class. (Myself included if I must place my kids in public school this fall). He has been teaching for 7 years and has always had huge demand for his class.

The majority of the kids around me are from 2 parent families and include both sons and daughters. So the demand for the male teacher cannot be a result of single moms wanting a man around their sons. What I hear is the mothers like the way the male teacher interacts with the children, how the children respond to his authority, and how he speaks and plays with the children in ways that are different then most females do,

Since teaching is a feminist dominated field (notice I used the word 'feminist' and not 'female') I think it may be the feminist driving the males away, and not the average female mother.

I should probably read the whole article before I write this post, but I am wondering if the teachers and staff may have received the complaint about the alleged incident and then blew everything out of proportion and went on a witch-hunt.

I feel bad for this guy.

... you really are intentionally oblivious to the world around you and have not been actually reading what is being said on this site. In another post you accused the people here of not appealing to females and expressing allot of hatred towards females instead of working together with females to solve the problems men face.

Your post here is indicative of why many of the men here have given up trying to appeal to females for support with issues men face. You have been a reader here for some time yet you have not one clue how things could get so out of hand? This case is from Florida. Did you know for example that if he had been convicted of intercourse with her instead of fondling he would have faced the DEATH PENALTY as an option for sentencing instead of mandatory life since the victim is under 12? Florida is one of 8 states that allow death as an option for non-murder offenses involving sexual intercourse against victims under 12. Things did not get that bad over night. It has been a progression for decades which has created the hysterical society we now live in. Just because you live in a sheltered bubble and choose to remain oblivious to what has happened to men's civil rights over the course of your lifetime, does not mean that stories like this one are some far reaching one off tale of extremism. In fact stories like this are far closer to reflecting the societal norm then the experiences you share with us.

Trust me, we men have tried to appeal to females for sympathy and support, but we get greeted with attitudes like yours from the average female. Accusations that it is us
who are the problem and things are not really as bad as we perceive and expressions of shock when we present you with examples of exactly what we have been going on about. 'How could this happen?' you ask. 'It must be a rare example cause I don't know any women who'd do that' you say. Well, it's not rare, it's standard practice. I don't know what part of MANDATORY life sentence you missed in the article but in Florida ALL men convicted of such things get the same fate and some even face death.

We love having female readers here, and you are an intelligent young woman with the best intentions. But you definitely seem like you are in denial of most of the issues men face and are not interested in hearing about the very real gender discrimination against men in our society. Perhaps if females were more interested in the issues concerning men who are not their sons, MRAs on this and other sites would be much more active in attracting females to join in the discussions and shape the changes to make the lives of all men a little more equitable

Paragon,

I appreciate your input and I will take it to heart.

You are correct that I did grow up in a 'bubble' as I have a large extended family and mostly lived among my family members. Even as I went out to play as a kid it was with my cousins as they lived on the same block. Also my private school I attended was very sheltering.

When I entered public school in high school, it was a rude awakening for me.

I am sure that many of my opinions and attitudes are formed from my upbringing, but I am an avid reader and am continuing to learn from other's experiences. I am offended that you imply that I am not genuinely trying to understand men as I have commented and showed concern on many topics, even topics that don't pertain to my children.

As I re-read my post above, I am not sure I would change a thing. My comment, "I really do not know how these situations get so out of hand" I think you are taking too literally. I would use the same comment about Hitler, violence in Africa, video games, Michael Jackson's drug use, the economy etc.

Of course there is an explanation as to how these situations got out of hand, but in casual conversation I do not believe my comment is out of line.

No where in my post do I backhandedly blame men, I also make a point to blame feminist.

"Trust me, we men have tried to appeal to females for sympathy and support, but we get greeted with attitudes like yours from the average female. Accusations that it is us..." -Paragon

Paragon, I have to say that I have never thought of myself as having a bad attitude, and I do not blame Mr. Tripoli or men in this thread or any other.

From Paragon's post above: "It must be a rare example cause I don't know any women who'd do that' you say."

Paragon, you are putting words in my mouth. I am sorry if that is what you think I said.

In my post I express shock over the extreme charges, the life sentence, and my thoughts that Mr. Tripoli is innocent. I am sorry if I did not pound those points harder for your liking.

I am female, and I have a female perspective. I cannot apologize for that. But if I have offended you in any other way I am sorry.

(*this post has been edited slightly from it's original posting)