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"Girl Power at School, but Not at the Office"
Submitted by Matt on Sun, 2008-08-31 19:40
Article here. Excerpt:
'Then I left the egalitarianism of the classroom for the cubicle, and everything changed. The realization that the knowledge and skills acquired in school don’t always translate at the office is something that all college graduates, men and women, must face. But for women, I have found, the adjustment tends to be much harder. It was certainly hard for me — I lasted only nine months in my first job out of college.
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RECENTLY I had a conversation with a male friend, a reporter in his mid-20s, about how hard it is to ask for money and negotiate for raises. He looked puzzled that I’d have an aversion to something that he does with ease, telling me: “When I want a raise, I just ask for it. And even if they say no, I’ll keep asking for it.”
The American Association of University Women found that men who are a year out of college make 20 percent more in weekly pay than their female co-workers do. Why? Because my friend and scores of other young men understand the central tenet of a bigger paycheck: ask and you shall receive.'
Still a lot of men-are-bad junk in this article, though. She claims there are men raised in a "different era" going around hamstringing young women with their sexist attitudes, etc. What this piece does do is state what has needed stating plainly in the MSM for a long time: At work, you don't get just because you have a better recall of the Periodic Table or because you happen to be nice and cooperative, and so are rewarded. Out in the real world, you don't get unless you put forth the effort necessary to get, and show in a measurable way that you are deserving as well.
In fact, I'd argue that young women have an easier time in the workplace because their youth draws more positive attention from both sexes vs. young men's youth, which is categorically deemed to show inexperience and a lack of skills. I have yet to work some place where a starting-out male college grad seemed to get a leg-up for no clear reason, but have definitely seen it when it comes to just-graduated starting-out women.
It's good the author has realized what she has discussed. It's bad though she still sees things through the feminists' eyes. Maybe she'll recover but it takes time after all that collegiate indoctrination. But I notice that the very fact she wrote such an article and had it published in the NYT (at the tender age of what, 22 or 23?) sort of discredits her basic premise, which is young women aren't getting paid enough attention or getting enough credit. When was the last time you saw an article in the NYT or some similarly-circulated paper written by a young man complaining that he can't seem to get anywhere at work because no one takes him seriously for whatever reasons? I doubt you'll ever see such in print, maybe because young men have been so acclimated to being thought less of such that they don't even notice it. But maybe you won't because instead of pointing out the issues and showing some sympathy, such younger men are told to shut up and get back to work, stop complaining, etc. Just maybe.
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Terrible article
The author Seligson offended me on a personal level with this article, as she and I were both born in 1982.
But seriously, how many stereotypes can you jam in an article? A lot, apparently -- for example:
"('Do you want to go grab a beer?' doesn’t quite roll off our tongues)."
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Vince
http://againstmisandry.blogspot.com
"Stand up for what is right, especially if you stand alone."
Welcome to the real world
I'm sorry to say, but once you leave the feminist cradle known as college, you have to actually WORK for things. You no longer have the luxury of being entitled to everything due to what genitalia you were born with. Oh, the government is working really hard to change all that; with women about to get a free pay raise to compensate for all the extra vacations, less risky jobs, and less overtime.
All the go-girl groups on college campuses (Women in [field] clubs come to mind) only seek to further take you away from reality. You aren't preparing for the fierce competition that encompasses the adult world. I'm sure there's guys out there that favor men for promotions, but there is no huge conspiracy against women. If anything, the conspiracy is pointed the other way.
She is
just plain stupid.
A more organic approach — saying something like, “Can I pick your brain about some ways to transition out of my entry-level position in the next year?”
If someone had said this bullshit to me, s/he would be put in my brain on the queue for forthcoming dismissal.
Girls, who after feminist colleges are not ready for the real world, exacerbate their condition by reading advices of such braindead "freelance journalists", who are even further from the real world than those spoiled girls.
Women by nature are much less effective workers than men. And no feminist idiot can change it.
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Single men is the only social group benefited from feminism. Article here.
The Princess Syndrome
I am male and work in a highly acclaimed University where the female student percentage is now a staggering 70%. I see first hand how females in this Western culture are coddled and sheltered from life’s realities. Womyn are essentially men devoid of responsibility and accountability. For all the higher learning these females are served, for all the special attention catered to womyn above and beyond any other creature on earth they have only delayed their adolescence into a spoiled mire of self-righteous contempt towards men and the very face of life itself. Only awareness, truth and responsibility shall ever save the countless vilified good men from the weak sniveling snots that womyn have become.
Ribbit,
Teebs
She "opted out."
"I lasted only nine months in my first job out of college."
In other words she "opted out," As Warren Farrell points out in his book "Why Men Earn More..." men work longer hours, drive longer commutes, take dirtier and harder jobs, and have greater seniority (don't opt out for the easier softer life), so why the heck shouldn't men be paid more. They earn it and women don't. Case closed.
As Good As It Gets
Hey Teebs, at least attribute the reference to Jack Nicholson in the flick "As Good As It Gets." RE:(dialogue) --
"How do you write women so well?
I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."
That line caused me to laugh so much that I lost a girlfriend who thought I must be a misogynist to have appreciated it too seriously.
Well, she was putting on too much weight and starting to bring up the dreaded "M" word, so it all worked out for me.
why is it The American
why is it The American Association of University Women can find this type of data when it has been shown that women in their 20s, with equivalent education to men of the same age, make 15% MORE than men in NYC, Boston, Dallas, and other major metro areas?
The American Association of University Women cannot be trusted for ANYTHING they have an opinion on. Their entire operation is based on myth and wishes. They are chronically WRONG.
oregon dad