"Just another member of the patriarchy"

Submitted by Mastodon on Sun, 2015-11-22 21:42

Article here. Excerpt:

'At about 6pm he discovered that she had gone ahead and had the abortion that morning. She had spent most of the day groggy in hospital, but he was angry because she also appeared to have spent much of the afternoon on Facebook, instead of telling him. I told him not to be angry – she was obviously feeling defensive and wanting distraction.
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My thoughts are pretty simple. This is just another demonstration for me of what a wicked and insidious development abortion-on-demand is. There is no happy ending here. A baby has lost its life and a man is at home beside himself with grief. He says he hasn’t been able to sleep or eat properly for weeks or concentrate on work. A formerly loving relationship is in tatters, with both parties harbouring feelings of anger and resentment. A mother has to deal with the repercussions of her decision while at the same time, caring for her living child.

Not once in this man’s decision was there an element of patriarchy -- wanting to control her uterus or chain her to the kitchen sink. This guy realised that he loved his unborn baby and wanted them to live. The reality of abortion means that every single pregnancy becomes a lifestyle choice and children are given a specious right – to be meticulously planned and born into “perfect” circumstances which supersedes their basic right to life. Had abortion not been an option, he wouldn’t have had his damaging wobble and would have stepped up to the plate sooner. But we are all now conditioned to think not of new life, not of a baby, but of choice.
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I think the guy has been foolish, but I don’t blame him for it; he is no different to most men in contemporary society. The feminists who would shout about their abortions would no doubt lynch both him and me for being manipulative, but I see no winners, no victory, no progress and certainly no joy in this woman having exercised her “reproductive right”.'

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... a man would have the power to insist a woman get an abortion so he could avoid paternity. Instead, women have the power to foist paternity on or take paternity away from men via abortion.

Abortion is a type of medical technology. No technology comes into existence w/out being used; if it can be used and used to someone's advantage, it will be used, no matter how unpalatable it may be in its nature or consequences. Example: nuclear bombs -- used twice shortly after invention to kill 100s of 1,000s of people, and further used to terrorize billions more with unthinkable consequences to extort an uneasy peace among nations -- all done for expediency's sake. And while setting off a nuclear bomb isn't the same as aborting a fetus, to a man who wanted the child but had no actual say in the decision to bring to term or not, it may as well be.

Abortion's not going away. What might be nice however is if men had the same right as women to terminate parental obligations. Perhaps then, we'd also see far fewer unwanted pregnancies, once women realize that indeed, now they are are responsible for their sexual behavior. But feminists will fight that every step of the way.

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Submitted by Matt on Mon, 2015-11-23 02:15

What everyone hates about matriarchy is that men can have sex with women without sticking around to take care of the consequences. To solve this issue, women are given the right to decide the consequences of sex and men are denied that same right. Women can't be forced into motherhood, but men can be forced into fatherhood--and be expected to provide financial support.

The child support solution comes with a consequence: it turns men into criminals. And it turns their sons into criminals, because that's the only role men have to play--unless they go MGTOW. So we put pictures of men on wanted posters, we put them in jail, we fit them we a GPS tracking device and force them to work and take their money and give it to the mother. In the end, there is only so much the state can do to force people to work because slavery is supposedly outlawed. And deliberately turning all or most men into criminals does nothing except turn men against the law.

If men had the option, as women have, to voluntarily terminate their parental obligations, the matriarchy collapses. It's odd how people accept that a woman can end the man's obligations but object if the man wants to end those obligations himself. Men are still treated as if women have no choice in the matter--even while women have all the choices. Eventually, men will also get choices--because of our belief in equality.

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Submitted by el cid on Mon, 2015-11-23 15:08

Well, all these terms like "rights" and "decisions" are subjective. When something wants to be thought of as a benefit, we use words like "rights" when we want the same thing to be thought of as a hardship we say "responsibility". When it comes to sex and pregnancy, neither gender has much choice. The decisions have been made by nature. For example, men never get to choose pregnancy because they don't get pregnant. Women don't get to have sex and not choose pregnancy, it is something that nature has designed their body to do naturally in response to sexual intercourse. Aside from surgical removal of reproductive organs all women can do is inhibit pregnancy by altering their body and hope it doesn't happen.

My take on biological differences is this: I don't think everything needs to be equalized (in fact it really cant). Dealing with how nature designed us is 'just life' no matter what the issue. I think terms like treating everyone "equally" "fairly" and treating people "the same" are subjective; but we should attempt to treat people as fairly and respectfully as possible. This is why I believe men should get as much consideration to their children even though they never choose to get pregnant or do any of the effort to birth the child.

As I have said many times. I am not in favor of paper abortion for men. I think all it will do is turn society into ghettos where fathers are encouraged to be on the peripheral of the family and promote welfare fraud. In the OP, you could see the father struggle and going through stages of emotions and reactions. His original thoughts were not his final thoughts. Just think how many men would quickly choose paper abortion (I cant imagine a man not choosing it), yet later bond with their children and get all the benefits of parenthood later on.

The problem I saw (as in all unplanned/unmarried situations) is the lack of rights and custody the father was expecting compared to the mother had she given birth. If things were the way I would like them to be. The expecting father would have had just as much chance of custody and control of the new baby.

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Submitted by Kris on Mon, 2015-11-23 22:21