"Who Stands in the Way of a Feminist Utopia? Women"

Submitted by Mastodon on Tue, 2015-10-13 13:40

Article here. Excerpt:

'Radical feminism may pack its biggest punch on college campuses, where gender-identity issues can be injected into any academic topic and impressionable students are encouraged to see the world through a skewed feminist lens, but its impact ripples through society, seeping into political debates and the popular culture.
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Fanciful economics, however, isn’t feminist utopia’s biggest obstacle. It’s women—actual individual women who have their own plans and dreams for their lives—who really doom feminist visions such as Bapat’s.

Bapat, who carefully mentions both “men and women” receiving payments for caring for their own dependents, nevertheless assumes that this system would encourage more men to participate in childrearing. In fact they have to, otherwise she’d have to acknowledge that her system would dramatically undermine other central feminist goals, such as increasing women’s power and prestige in the world of corporate and political affairs.  Bapat’s feminist sisters dream of women holding (at least) 50 percent of all corporate board positions and elected offices, and their policies’ aim is often to make it easier for women to succeed at work.

In the countries where such government-sponsored policies have been implemented, however, they have often backfired when measured in these feminist terms. Western Europe, for example, is often held up as a model for their state-provided family-leave policies and childcare subsidies; many European countries even provide a version of Bapat’s direct cash payments to parents for taking care of their own children. Yet asober examination of the results of these programs reveals that they have impeded women’s economic advancement, making it more likely that women will earn less and hold fewer leadership positions in the business world.

The insurmountable problem for those who dream of a feminist utopia is that most women simply don’t seem to share the feminists’ obsession with economic power, and often prefer spending their time and talents at home, even when their work there offers no monetary reward.'

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... as long as the average woman wants and expects men to pay for things like dates, they are in essence renting themselves out willingly. They thus continue to commodify themselves to men, undermine their own independence in terms of self-image and -worth, "passify" themselves in terms of the relationship, and propagate the whore/john model of heterosexual relationships. Yet even self-proclaimed "feminists" want to be taken out to dinner, as well as be asked out (italics emphasize the passive voice) regardless of their supposed beliefs.

Oh, the price typical women pay to be paid for. The price is their adulthood. Sad, really. And to think, they know they're doing it, know what they're doing, and do it anyway. Silly and pathetic. But mostly, sad.

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Submitted by Matt on Thu, 2015-10-15 00:49

I always say feminist ignore biology and nature always wins. This is why in any emergency or urgent situation, men and women naturally fall into traditional gender roles. This is because tradition gender roles are the most efficient.

When forming a family unit, the woman is the only one at risk for pregnancy, the only parent who will breastfeed. Most women plan for this in their teens, they give this consideration when planning for a career. (perhaps even subconsciously). Then you have their male counterparts who tend to be more competitive and more risk takers when planning their career paths. When you have different motivations and different risks among the genders, you get different behavior. Hypergamy is a natural occurrence in women.

Male competitive nature is also why men who have more than enough money to stay home with their kids continue to work such as Bill Gates, Will Smith, Tom Cruise, Warren Buffet, Donald Trump, etc. (basically any any father who made over 1 million $$)

This is why feminists cannot be true to their beliefs. Biology gets in the way. This is why you have women who claim to not want to be objectified get breast implants. This is why mothers who choose to be SAHP want you to ignore them and claim to be fighting for the "other women" who want to be in high careers. They don't want to admit that their human nature won over their feminist's beliefs.

Deciding how to care for children is the foundation of the male/female "contract" (a.k.a. unwritten negotiation based on biology). You will find this "contract" in place in healthy families, and not in place in unhealthy families.

The idea that we should pay parents to care for their own children is ridiculous.

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Submitted by Kris on Thu, 2015-10-15 05:45