"Not Sexist to Leave Male Circumcision Out of the Debate and Only Focus on Female Genital Mutilation"
Submitted by Mastodon on Mon, 2014-09-01 17:13
Article here. Excerpt:
'Male circumcision vs. FGM
A common question I am often asked is "Leyla, isn't male circumcision (MGM) just as bad as FGM? Is it not sexist to leave male circumcision out of the debate and only focus on female circumcision?"
Okay. Deep breath. Let me start by saying I do not think any child should be cut whether it's a boy or a girl. I do not agree with the practice of circumcising a male baby for non-medical reasons, as babies and children cannot give consent. Having said that, I cannot accept a comparison of male circumcision to FGM. The practices themselves, as well as the intent behind them, are fundamentally different. Allow me to explain.'
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At least she's vs. circumcision w/out consent
She's vs. MGM w/out the expressed consent of the to-be-circumcised male. That's a start. That she thinks circumcision isn't an attempt to control male sexuality just shows she hasn't done much homework on its history as a practice. She's misinformed re the supposed benefits of it and the notion that men can still enjoy sex -- true, but only to an extent. If diminishing women's sexual pleasure via FGM is wrong, then circumcision, which also has that effect, is also wrong for that reason.
But the net result of her stance on male circumcision comes close to the net result of the position held by ardent intactivists. She may not agree w/ them on the details, but maybe one day after further study of it, her affiliated opinions will change.
And sure, I'm not happy w/ her rather flaky and ill-informed dismissal of intactivists' concerns. But alas, I'm used to nymphotropic cognitive dissonance. And as I said, at least she's anti-forced circumcision. Better than average. :)
circ links (long post)
Here is a list of circ links I got from someone else. Some of you may find them useful in forming an argument. I suggest you check out the links before you post to make sure they are what they say they are. (sorry I don't know how to make them clicky.
links regarding FGM:
Article is negative about FGM, but go to the comment section of this article. Notice the men indicate that circ women enjoyed sex and climaxed:
http://www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Why-Is-Female-Circumcision-Done-Are-There-Any-Benefits-To-The-Circumsised-Woman/31018
Here is a woman who traveled back to Africa as an adult. Had FGM done because she wanted it:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/8323256/Defending-FGM
this link has facts about FGM being mild, having healthy sex, says FGM get mis-portrayed in USA
http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2012/11/defense-female-circumcision
Here is a modern mother taking her daughter in to a clinic for circumcision. Wishes people [Americans] would stop calling it "mutilation" as she would never mutilate her own daughter:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/03/25/asia-pacific/female-circumcision-not-mutilation-jakarta/#.UppkQ5t6hTA
this is a link about an African woman defending female circ. She is circed.
http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/defending-fgm-20130218-2em65.html
Here it explains mild forms of female circ. Some women do not even know they have had it done. This article descibes the procedure as "In Singapore’s Muslim community, female circumcision involves nicking the prepuce, the skin covering the clitoris"
and
"It is just a cutting off the thin membrane on the top most part of the clitoris"
http://www.aware.org.sg/information/female-circumcision/
Here is a modern mother in Indonesia who just took her young daughter to the clinic to be circumcised. She wishes people would stop describing it as "mutilation", as she would never mutilate her own daughter. Yet the daughter was circumcised, (mild form of FGM)
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/03/25/asia-pacific/female-circumcision-not-mutilation-jakarta/#.U6-32c9FbTp
Study: 82% want FGM to continue (scroll down to middle "results" of opting for discontinuence of FGM)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3134892/
Of the total of 9,159 women, 1,658 (18%) opted for discontinuation of FGM (Table 1).
2 studies found lower HIV transmission rates on FGM
FGM study/lower HIV risk
http://www.tzonline.org/pdf/femalecircumcisionandhivinfectionintanzania.pdf
http://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1113&context=iph_theses
adult women seeking genital alterations. some compare it to FGM and think it should be banned:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/01/30/wave-of-popularity-for-cosmetic-surgery-on-female-genitalia-worries-some-critics/
Support for female circ draws controversy - IntactAmerica opposes female nick
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/diet-and-fitness/support-for-female-circumcision-stirs-controversy-in-us-20100521-w1uz.html
Should women be circed so men avoid throat cancer
http://www.returnofkings.com/39017/should-we-circumcise-women-to-prevent-throat-cancer-in-men
links regarding male circ:
video Dr. Denounces circumcision (long)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgGeOvSgPu4
Dr criticizes Mayo clinic for circ rate article:
http://intactnews.org/node/452/1398376017/pediatric-surgeon-criticizes-mayo-clinic-circumcision-rates-article
letter from american cancer society:
http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/letters/1996-02_ACS/
"As representatives of the American Cancer Society, we would like to
discourage the American Academy of Pediatrics from promoting routine
circumcision as preventative measure for penile or cervical cancer.
The American Cancer Society does not consider routine circumcision
to be a valid or effective measure to prevent such cancers."
ped. urologist, Dr, David Gibbons performs many corrective circ surgeries:
http://healthynaturalbaby.org/pediatric-urologist-comments-on-neonatal-complications/
husbands- forced male circ in Africa:
http://westfm.co.ke/index-page-news-bid-11490.htm
African men die from tribal circumcision:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-south-africa-circumcision-ritual-becomes-health-crisis/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/25/male-circumcision-ceremonies-death-deformity-africa
half-million boys die from tribal circumcision
http://www.inside-man.co.uk/2014/08/20/half-a-million-boys-killed-and-hospitalised-by-tribal-circumcision/
Video: protest in front of circumcisor's home:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BmXC7aSoZ0
good video showing protests:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8tHBshzdg
video Doctor walk up and starts conversation w intactivists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol18UD1XYeA
http://www.beyondthebris.com/2011/06/to-mohel-who-cut-me.html
medical study/ Risk HIV perception in Afica:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756960/
Book:
http://www.amazon.com/Unspeakable-Mutilations-Circumcised-Men-Speak-ebook/dp/B00L5FPF2C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top