"The gender gap in violence is declining"

Found this interesting article on MSNBC, no doubt spawned by all the media attention in recent days to the teen girl fight video.

Though the article's authors are at times confused about where this violence could be coming from (for eample citing increasingly violent and misogynistic messages in the mass media) they do at least pay some lip service to the importance of a stable early family life. Excerpt:

“The initial causes of violence are found in the early learning experiences in the family, which includes weak family bonding, and ineffective monitoring and supervision,”

Glad the media is finally taking notice of this. It's only a matter of time until researchers start taking a closer look at the early family situations for these violent female offenders. Could there be a correlation with the much touted single-parent/single-mother family? Nahhh - that would be a threat to the brave new feminist world order. This must be pinned on men somehow in the same way DV already is.

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It's clear that they are not going to tackle the problem of female violence with any seriousness. As always we see the usual feminist nonsense that under no circumstances a woman can be guilty for her behavior, and if a woman acts badly then all blame must be put on people around her:


    "Several boys could be seen watching the beating but doing nothing..."


    "...mass media and the Internet send increasingly violent and misogynistic messages..."


    "...it is the adults responsible for guiding girls to adulthood who are at least as much to blame as the girls themselves."


    "...roots of female adolescent violence are planted at home."


    "The exposure to and reinforcement for violence in the home, including physical abuse, has a tremendous impact on the potential for later adolescent female violence."
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While it is gratifying to see the mainstream media paying more attention to female instigators of violence, the article proposes the silly notion that what causes adolescents to become violent is known.

There are NO (as in ZERO) credible studies that make claims to have "proved" that violence is CAUSED by XYZ....

Early childhood family-of-origin factors, witnessing violence, being abused, playing graphically violent video games, watching too many slasher films, experiencing war, growing up poor, being born the grandchild of a serial killer, the evil patriarchy, being possessed by the devil, reading the Scum Manifesto, etc. etc. etc.

While there may be correlations among these and hundreds of other things that enter into speculation about what social and genetic factors influence an individual's tendency towards violence...

there is NO CAUSE-AND-EFFECT equation to be found anywhere.

And to even propose one is to be dishonest, unscientific, and just plain silly.

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Federal statistics tend to bear out that assessment. From 1992 to 2003, the most recent year for which complete figures are available in the Justice Department’s Uniform Crime Report, the number of girls who were arrested on all charges increased by 6.4 percent, compared with a decline among boys of 16.4 percent. Most striking were the figures for assault: In that 11-year period, arrests of girls nationwide rose 41 percent, as opposed to a 4.3 percent rise among boys.

Hmmm, so in the last decade or so the only group with increasing levels of crime across the board are females. Gee, I wonder why considering everything masculine has practically been outlawed when displayed by males yet celebrated when displayed by females in that same time period. After all, right in the middle of that window came VAWA.

Wonder if that 4.3% - and maybe more - rise in assaults among males can be attributed mostly to defending themselves from ambush female attacks but she was quicker to dial 911?

I do not put much faith in any numbers from the department of Justice as being representative of what's actually going on in society as there is to much politics behind them. But it's still interesting that even their numbers reflect a notable increase in female violence. Since all laws are aimed primarily at males I would say these numbers reflect a very low estimate of the increase in female violence in society in general.

As far as the problems exposing young girls to violence early in life and parents not wanting to act like grown ups goes - the article fails to assign gender to the parents who's custody these delinquent girls spend the majority of their time but it's safe to say that it's their mothers who are their primary guardians - it's becoming obvious that there is a correlation between young girls being raised be single mothers and an increased potential of violence later in life.

Perhaps it's time to take MRAs more seriously as the results of not listening to us and embracing feminist ideology seems to be a generation of women who never grew up and a generation of girls who are more uncontrollably violent and repulsive then boys have ever been.

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The same things can be said for violence in young males - yet they are still held 100% accountable for their actions regardless of circumstances. We happily acknowledge the unfortunate circumstances a young boy who engages in violent and /or socially unacceptable behavior in the same breath we impose punishment upon him regardless of them. He is still believed to have made the ultimate decision to act. He is still responsible for the outcome and deserving of some arbitrary punishment to pay for his poor choices. His unfortunate circumstances will never be addressed by anyone as a male is expected to "pick himself up by the boot straps" and address his own problems.

She on the other hand is never responsible for her actions and any excuse is completely valid to excuse her behavior.

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This attitude of shifting the blame for female delinquency from women to surrounding circumstances (of course exactly the same can be said about male delinquency) is the main reason of unceasing and rapid increase in the female crime. This sole reason by far outweighs all the reasons cited by feminist advocates such as media influence and home violence.

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> ...increasingly ... misogynistic messages in the mass media...

Even just one little bad example to support this knee-jerk type statement would have been nice -- but I don't suppose they could find one, even though the social sensitivity detectors have been set on maximum for a long time. Why didn't they just come out and say "the patriarchy made `em do it"?

> ...the eagerness of American girls to seek approbation
> by flaunting increasingly outrageous behavior.

Perhaps if it was made clear that there's a difference between "outrageous" and "criminal" behavior, which is of course difficult to do when you've fed girls/women a steady diet of the Barbie Mantra -- Girls can do anything! -- for three or four decades. That 'anything' part really is a blanket permission. The uploading of the video to the I-Net suggests they didn't see the least bit thing wrong with what they'd done, and were in fact rather proud of it.

But I do like the official admission that what we tend to think of as the exclusive province of males is 'outrageous', as in "grossly offensive to the sense of right or decency, intolerable, shocking".

I've seen no mention of any severe penalties that these girls face (quick, what's the female equivalent of 'boot camp'?) in any of the coverage, which suggests society isn't really serious about taking whatever action is required to reverse the now-obvious trend.

> The initial causes of violence ... which includes weak
> family bonding, and ineffective monitoring and supervision

All of which would be, well, so 'controlling' - except when they're done to boys or men.

> Several boys could be seen watching the
> beating but doing nothing...

Smart boys. They've obviously gotten the message that traditional roles are so last century, including men trying to save and protect damsels in distress. There is yet hope for a more equal future.

Or maybe they were just paralyzed with fear. Has anyone heard if there's any overt concern for them based on their having gone through what must have been a traumatic experience?

* MB

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Very insightful rant MB, as usual.

"Smart boys" indeed. Not a chivalrous fool among them.

Let the "go-girlzz" pummel each other and upload their criminality to YouTube. It's refreshing to see that liberated young women are now endorsing less indirect, passive-aggressive forms of friendship warfare. (They reserve these for men now, i.e. VAWA and other misandrist laws.)

In the olden days, girl predators-in-training merely slimed the reputations of their best friends, slept with their boyfriends, shunned their enemies.

Now they apparently have grasped that direct violence is more expedient!

Women as a species are "deconstructing" themselves before our very eyes. (Showing their true inherent nature in all its smarmy raunch-culture glory.)

Watch and learn.

It (they) will not be pretty.

Above all, do not marry, do not lose track of your sperm, do not co-mingle your financial assets with any female.

Enjoy the dystopian circus that feminism has created!

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....When it comes to traditional definitions of crime.

But women have never been innocent it's just our justice system was built from the ground up only to detect and punish deviant male behaviors. Women have always been criminals it's just that society is noticing now because they are acting in ways male criminals act.

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it's just too frightening to take off the cultural rose-colored glasses through which men have historically idealized the "fairer sex?"

Without chivalry filtering our perceptions of the female half of our species, men would be faced with accepting some terrifying realizations.

It's probably better to just not think about it too hard...

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Want to drastically reduce the number of male child molesters? Treat them when they are children and lock up the woman who terrorized them. Won't work for all child molesters but every study points to the fact that most were abused as children themselves and most who were abused target people of the same gender as the person that abused them.

Want to drastically reduce domestic violence in men? Don't lock them up and laugh at them when they call the cops to report their wife beats the hell out of them whenever she has a bad day or that she has relentlessly nagged and put him down for years until he snaps

Want to drastically reduce child murders? Take the kids away from unstable moms and give them to dad when the relationship sours.

The only problem with solutions like this, which would be hugely beneficial in reducing crimes in men and saving many children from suffering is that they would result in a drastic increase in females being convicted of criminal acts.

Recognizing and admonishing female criminality would have a huge effect of reducing male victimization and criminality.

Feminists want equality in the boardroom.

I say women deserve much more equal representation in the prison population as well but I don't hear them advocating for that.

We must look beyond the obviously violent women like these girls and recognize traditional female violence as well in order to truly work for an equal society.

Overall, crime rates would continue to fall, it would just create a huge shift in the prison population over time as many men would cease to be victimized by violent and abusive women and those same violent and abusive women would earn the prison cell they so richly deserve.

The problem with the crime is mostly a male problem and females are the victims is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy. By allowing women to go unpunished for their acts against men, other women and children, we continue to create angry male victims who have absolutely no options available to them to receive justice and ultimately lose faith in the system and stop obeying the law and at the same time breed a whole new generation of deviant female who act out with impunity against those whom they do not like. And the cycle continues and continues and continues.

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Everything Paragon has written is truthful.

The real problem; however, is just this --

THE ABSENCE OF JUSTICE UNDER FEMINISM.

You can't have justice when you give in to ideological tyrants.

Even the now dying Fidel understands that.

Or, just the same faux-leader -- Bush.

The next 50 years of Gender War will not be pretty.

Gear up for it!

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You say, "Recognizing and admonishing female criminality would have a huge effect of reducing male victimization and criminality."

What exactly is meant by this? I suppose the number of male victims would be reduced, but what is the effect on criminality? Do you mean crimes committed BY men, and if so what type crimes? Just DV, or rape also, or what??

-axo

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In "The Myth of Male Power", Warren Farrell points to studies indicating that men are far more likely than women to be incarcerated for their crimes. But he then goes on to mention, that now feminists complain because "females receive longer periods of probation than males!". Duhhh..

-Axolotl

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All types of crimes.

Because I believe that victims of crimes/exploitation often go off to commit crimes/exploit others in the future if they do not receive support and help dealing with their experience(s) I believe that if more female perpetrators were admonished and stopped from their harmful act that more males would receive the help and support they need to properly deal with their experiences and grow into emotionally strong and confident people who seek betterment for themselves rather then repeating the reprehensible behavior that others subjected them to.

I believe the group of people who commit crimes, acts of violence, or acts of exploitation simply because they can are in the extreme minority. True psychopaths and sociopaths are rare in my opinion.

I believe this is more of an issue for males then females because as a society we are far less likely to offer our assistance for males who are victimized or exploited by others especially if the perpetrator is female. I believe we offer as the friends, family, teachers, counselors, police officers, etc. offer practically no assistance or help of any kind for men and boys who have been victims.

Females who are victimized on the other hand are offered help and support from family, friends, loved ones, the counselors, police, thousands of various private and government agencies etc so they are already less likely to follow in the footsteps of the ones who victimized them. The fact that females are becoming increasingly violent and criminal in traditionally male ways in spite of all this is where problems need to be addressed for females.

However, I believe that ties in to the problem for males. Females NEED accountability. Male victims need recognition and support to help them choose the high road and not fall into criminal behavior themselves, and females who commit acts of violence or exploitation against anyone (whether or not the conduct falls within current definitions of crime or new definitions that recognize the ways that females commonly harm others in ways uncommonly committed by males) need to be held accountable for the harm they have done.

I believe that if we as a society recognize female acts of violence, exploitation, humiliation etc as criminal behavior and that females are capable of, and in fact commonly commit these acts against men and boys (if we only recognize female criminality against other females we are accomplishing nothing new) then we as a society would also be forced to recognize that men and boys can also be victimized by crime. We would be forced to offer help and support as the friends, family, loved ones, police, courts, community government etc. of men and boys who have been victims. This would result in far fewer males feeling that they have no other choice but to go down a path of deviance and criminality themselves. I am by no means saying this is a solution for all crime and the answer to world peace. I am only saying that the single largest group of unrecognized criminals are females due to many factors but mainly due to a false notion of female innocence and virtue that have developed in the Western cultures for hundreds of years.

Crimes that go unrecognized and unpunished beget more crimes because through victims that feel that society has failed them.

Criminals aren't born, they are made. Recognition of males as victims and females as perpetrators would be a real first step towards an equal society. Females have more then enough support when they are victims and males have more then enough accountability when they are perpetrators. Offering males more support while at the same time offering females more accountability would come much closer to balance and equality. No one should have the right to commit crime with absolute impunity and no one should go utterly ignored by all of society when they are victimized by crime.

To share personal experiences that I have born witness to in my own life: Recognizing men who allegedly fondled their nieces (though he denied it) but failing to recognize mothers who starve their sons and lock them in cages is not equal. Though these two situations that I have seen in my life do have one thing in common - in both cases the males involved committed suicide. The uncle accused shot himself. The son torture and starved jumped in front of a subway train.

Crime will continue to exist no matter what we do and continue to decline overall as opportunities continue to grow for all. As MRAs we should aim for over time fewer males ending up rotting behind bars because society placed no value on their lives what so ever and allowed them to suffer in silence until they could no longer resulting in them acting out, while at the same time holding more women accountable for their deeds and choices in spite of our best efforts at all levels of society to afford them love and support and allot them to take their places in a waiting prison cell. Eventually it would even out and no matter who committed a crime there would be equal likely hood of consequences.

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