Man arrested for 'prostituting his wife'

manonthestreet

Neither of them should have been charged with anything. There should be no bedroom police!

It's time for our country to legalize prostitution, and stop arresting people for victimless crimes! What two consenting adults do behind closed doors is no ones business. Whether money is involved or not. I guess the police need to raise funds. After all for every fine that is issued they get a cut.

I agree that it should be made legal.

One problem is that the prevailing attitude now seems to be "Nail the Johns!!" When a low-status male (which is the majority or even most of us, by Moxon's definition) pays money then has sex, he has subverted the male dominance hierarchy (DH) - he has 'cheated': he has circumvented the system which ensures that generally, only high-status men have access to easy sex with good-looking women.

-ax

manonthestreet

I think you as so very right axolotl. The 'lower classes' (i.e. you and me) are always being extolled to be good and virtuous. The elite always want the rest of us to be docile and not get out of line. Yes paying for sex would constitute doing something for ourselves and of course the elite can not tolerate this. We must only do what they permit even in bed.

actually, the dominance hierarchy is hard-wired - it is innate within males. I wasn't so much talking directly about any type of 'oppression' by society, although that is sometimes the effective outcome of the DH playing itself out.

In the most general sense, males have always been at a disadvantage compared to females. This is because males are the 'genetic filter' for the species - speaking from an evolutionary perspective, the whole reason for the existence of males is to minimize the concentration of 'bad' genes in the pool.

-ax

Ax,

You seem very knowledgeable about this sociology stuff, what's your background? I had to Google Moxon (I hope I don't sound like an idiot by admitting that). They must have taught that after I left high school.

I just have an observation. I take it you guys are over 50. I get the feeling many older men here would like to be having sex more often then they do. I bet some older females have the same feelings. I am also thinking about past times when people got married really young like 17 or so.

Could it be that nature intended people to find a partner when they are young and stay with that partner until their older years. It seems like men would be getting sex when they have the highest sex drive and women would not have to worry about birth control/unplanned pregnancy as it would be within marriage. If marriages lasted forever both genders would continue to have frequent sex into their old age.

Now it seems like society is telling people to wait until late-twenties or older to get married, but yet we are working against nature by trying to harness and shame boy's sex drives and are in an uproar over teen pregnancy and forcing girls into chemical birth control.

So I am not so sure that nature intended late bachelorhood (for guys or girls) and easy sex. And if you know anything about me, it is that I believe in doing things the way nature intended.

And since this thread is originally about prostitution....

I am 99% for prostitution being legal. The one aspect that gets to my conscience is the risk of pregnancy as a result of prostitution. If you take away the pregnancy factor and/or stick to acts that have no pg risk, then I would be 100% for it.

Kris, I am not really that knowledgeable in sociology, am more into the hard science aspects. Steve Moxon wrote a book called The Woman Racket last year. Basically, it is a scientific debunking of feminism. Warren Farrell gave it a very strong endorsement and review. If you check on Amazon you can get a lot of information about it. The first few chapters of the book are pretty dense.

It seems to me that one of the biggest impetus's that has resulted in later-in-life marriages is the idea of a woman wanting to get started in a career before marrying. Of course feminism has been the single biggest source for this idea; also the economy, which requires two jobs for a couple to make ends meet. But according to surveys, American women are unhappier now than they have ever been.

As far as prostitution, I think that if by some miracle they legalized it coinciding with legalizing most drugs (i.e., make them controlled substances), then things would work out well. Prostitution is legal in some counties in Nevada, in brothels, but my suspicion is that at least some of the women who work in them are doing so to support drug habits.

-ax

manonthestreet

I think Kris is correct. At least that is my experience. So from that perspective I can agree that men are at their most sexual in their teens. It probably reaches its peak about 17 or 18. This is a pity as unless you are very lucky this is the age when you are most insecure and bashful. To be honest I did not have anything to do with girls (I wanted too) until I was 19 and and lost my virginity at 22. Looking back I can see that at that age although still very virile I had in fact past my peak. By this I don't mean peak in term of performance but in term of the ecstasy of the orgasm.

As far as what axoltl says then this is just standard Moxon. He says the female are filters. I have heard him speak about this but I am not convinced. He says something along the lines that it is only the most successful men who get the best looking women. But this is beside the point as far as nature is concerned. Successful men even with good looking wives do not in my observation produce large families. In fact the opposite is probably true. So there is no filter mechanism working here. In fact if you look around you will see that it is often the poorest who have the biggest families and so contribute most the the gene pool.

As for single mother particularly teenage ones I again think you are probably correct Kris that they are probably responding to their natural need to have children. What I think the behaviour shows is that the need for a stable male partner is not all that strong and is easily dispensed with if alternatives are available.

Moxon would never have said the female are the genetic filters. They are what he calls the "limiting factor" in reproduction. If he said "women are the filters" then he must have been talking about something else.

As far as the economic status of families, even if there were a relationship between that and 'quality' of offspring, the number of offspring and quality of offspring are pretty much unrelated.

-ax