Attorney: Mother charged with killing twins needs treatment

"Mothers do not go around killing their children. You know that. She needs help," attorney Steve Davis told the judge. Davis said White can't get the treatment she needs in jail."

Wrong there, mate. They do in fact do just that. Your client is proof of it, as are the numerous other cases of maternal filicide that fill the news.

This was a comment by the defence attorney, who's just doing his job of defending her. I wouldn't jump up and down just because he says something like this, although there's a good chance the judge will sympathise.

Mothers do not go around killing their children

Taking into account the enormous number of cases of infanticide commited by mothers, this is just a bad attorney if he comes up with the arguments like that.

"Mothers do not go around killing their children"

This is one of the biggest lies ever. There are many cases all over the world where women kill their children.

He's doing what is most likely to get lenient treatment for his client. He's not inexperienced at all. He's smart.

The difference - which he is using to full advantage - is in peoples perceptions. Men do not go around raping and killing women, but that's no defense when one does. It's how we perceive behaviors.

Since the root perception is that all women are inherently good, and any evil behavior becomes merely a deviation from the norm. Therefore the tendency is to want identify and remove the cause of the deviation in order to restore the woman's virtuous nature. This means either getting rid of the person who is viewed as the cause of the deviation or treating the mental illness (in this case post-pardum depression)

Since the root perception is that all men are evil (I'd be really surprised if any MRAs are willing to argue that theory), and any evil behavior is merely an expression of the man's core being. Therefore the tendency is to want to suppress the root evil through punishment in order contain the demons and restore the man to a docile state.

The real travesty of justice is not the lack of treatment facilities in womens prisons but the lack of treatment in mens prisons. Not that our current treatment methods are particularly useful (as when men are involved most 'treatment' involves shaming the man and reaffirming his belief that he is evil and dangerous and deserving of his torture), but at least if it was there some one would eventually realize that men who are in prison for the most part are extremely treatable through methods that do not involve shaming and demonising (they get enough of that from guard and other inmates)

"Since the root perception is that...any evil behavior [by men] is merely an expression of the man's core being. Therefore the tendency is to want to suppress the root evil through punishment in order contain the demons and restore the man to a docile state". --Paragon

That might be going a bit too far. I do believe that there is a strong tendency in our society now, to believe "men bad, women good"; but as far as containing demons, to tell you the truth, even if that was the answer to the problem - I think it is instead, just basically a matter of "punish those bad guys..get them..they are responsible for their own actions [unless possibly if mentally ill]..let them suffer in prison, teach them a lesson, get them off the streets!".

I do agree with most of the other points in your post however.

-Axolotl

But you expressed it exactly.

"punish those bad guys.."

Men behaving in a socially deviant manner are "bad" (AKA in this context Evil)

"get them.."

Self explanatory. It obviously refers to inflicting suffering upon them

"they are responsible for their own actions [unless possibly if mentally ill]"

In order to be responsible for their actions it must be perceived that their actions are a reflection of who they are rather then an external influence acting upon them - the mentally ill part (AKA their core being expressing it's self)

"let them suffer in prison, teach them a lesson, get them off the streets"

because they are perceived as evil.

Have you read about the experiment where two groups of roughly 100 people were shown a 10-minute video of a child crying and are then asked why? One group was told the child was a boy and this group tended to say the child was crying because "he" was angry. The other group, told the child was a girl, tended to say that "she" was crying because "she" was afraid.

Along similar lines, there have been studies done with our wonderful "helping professionals" as the subjects (social workers/psychotherapists). One study mentioned in Warren Farrell's book, showed that female patients are viewed with more sympathy than male patients, as far as being considered "victims" of external circumstances; whereas the male patients are more likely to be blamed and/or held accountable for their actions.

(I think the book is "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say").

I love the idea of doing studies on those shitheads :-> They think of themselves as impervious to the kind of bias mentioned above, or else they pretend it doesn't matter that much; or they rationalize it and say, "oh well, therapists are people too". That last is like an engineer designing a bridge poorly, and when it later collapses, he says, "oh well, engineers are people too". Of course the engineer would not get away with his mistake, whereas the psychotherapists are accoutable to no-one.

The only thing I am wondering is, 1) HOW the heck did anyone convince them (helping professionals) to be in the study; and 2) WHO the heck did the study..certainly not other helping professionals!??

-Axolotl

they said it better than I ever could

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm04/figure4_2.htm

they also are the leading abusers of children in the home - by far.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm04/figure3_6.htm

feminist social policy is based upon lies - they have taken our tax dollars to foist this fraud upon the public and continue to do so!

oregon dad

" In the United States, you are 10 times more likely to die by homicide -- to be murdered -- on the day you are born than at any other time during your life, according to a study just released by the Centers of Disease Control (CDC).
Even if you make it through your first day, you still risk a better chance of being murdered during your first year of life than in any other year of childhood before you turn 17, according to the CDC.
In their analysis of the total 3,312 infant homicides reported between 1989-1998, CDC found homicide to be the 15th leading cause of infant death in the United States, with the most homicides occurring during the first four months of life.
Among homicides during the first week of life, 82.6 percent occurred on the day of birth, 9.2 percent on the second day, and 8.2 percent during the remainder of the week. Overall, 243 (7.3 percent) of all infant homicides occurred on the day of birth. Homicide rates on the first day of life are at least ten times greater than in later times of life, according to the report.
Among infants murdered on their day of birth, 89 percent were not born in a hospital, and 89 percent of known perpetrators were women, usually the mother. Additionally, CDC reports that mothers who kill their infants are more likely to be adolescents and have a history of mental illness.
After the first week of life, a second peak homicide risk period occurs during the 8th week and may, says the CDC, reflect the peak in the daily duration of crying among normal infants between 6 and 8 weeks of age.
As disturbing as these findings may be, CDC concluded that incidents of infant homicide are probably under-reported, with many more murders being incorrectly diagnosed as having resulted from unintentional injuries or sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).
CDC's findings are backed up in a 1998 study by the National Institutes of Health finding homicide to be the leading cause of infant death due to injury.
To reduce the number of infant homicides on the day of birth, CDC suggests development of programs to prevent out-of-hospital births, especially among high-risk mothers. CDC further suggests home visitation and parenting programs, especially those beginning during pregnancy, might help reduce child abuse during later periods of infancy."

Link at --
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa031202a.htm

If in fact only 332 infants are murdered per year as the study suggests, then this "epidemic" qualifies as another feminist hoax, much like the "campus rape" hysteria and the spike in domestic violence on Super Bowl Sunday.

Though of course, nobody is in favor of trivializing dead babies. (Except maybe China, where it's official government policy.)

Makes you wonder about all those SUDDEN INFANT DEATH SYNDROME cases we hear about.
Healthy infant found dead in crib. Cause of death listed as unknown.

(Parents of infants with recurrent ALTEs have been observed trying to suffocate and harm their infants.In Great Britain, covert video surveillance was used to assess child abuse risk in 39 young children referred for evaluation of recurrent ALTEs.Abuse was revealed in 33 of 39 cases, with documentation of intentional suffocation observed in 30 patients. Among 41 siblings of the 39 infants in the studies, 12 had previously died suddenly and unexpectedly. Although 11 of these deaths had been classified as SIDS, 4 parents later admitted to suffocating 8 of these siblings. Other cases previously thought to be multiple SIDS deaths within a family have been revealed to be cases of multiple homicide by suffocation)

cite link:

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics%3b107/2/437