Court Rules for White Firefighters Over Promotions

No Vested Right To Promotion?????????

What about the time, energy, and intellect needed to score well on the promotional exam? I wonder if any of these men would have taken the test if they knew their scores wouldn't count if minorities didn't do well enough.

From CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/29/supreme.court.discrimination/index.html?eref=googletoolbar#cnnSTCVideo

Props to their lawyer (who happens to be a woman).

Glad to see this decision reached.

Disappointed that the justices who call themselves "liberal" voted against. True liberalism recognizes all forms of discrimination - even affirmative action and other biased practices against a group perceived to be advantaged in some way - as exactly what it is. Discrimination. This is recognized by European liberals.

I hope that Sotomayor would have voted as Kennedy did.

Are articles like this posted because of their timely relevance to men's rights, the likelihood that they'll unify our fledgling movement, and possibly recruit a wide spectrum of men of all walks of life?

OR

Just to piss off black MRAs?

Discrimination against black men would be equally as important. In this particular case it was white men. The key word being men. Race is irrelevant.

No, here the pomotion policy was challanged on the ground of racial discrimination, not sex discrimination. I am from India, and a non white person. I'm happy to see your Supreme Court rule the way it did. All forms of discrimination are wrong. In fact, the bias against men is a special case of the general bias against the so called `dominant groups' - the whites in the West or the Brahmins in India, or men all over the world. Certain groups are stigmatized based on gender, race, or caste. This should be equally unacceptable.

And Hunchback, stay assured. No white MRA would ever condone racial discrimination against blacks either. I have been regularly visiting this site for quite some time, and never seen any trace of white supremacism here.

... at last, now lets just hope that it isn't overturned at a later date by a court loaded with feminists and racists by Obama.

I would think that if anyone took the time to think about it the test was designed to check certain qualifications for promotion. I wouldn't care what color the person was I would want the best available calling the shots when peoples lives were at stake. Perhaps instead of dividing the people it will unite them. It makes no difference what color you are anymore, if you are a male you are a second class citizen at best. We still may have some throw backs that would like to see an even more divided populace, but the majority is getting wise.

David A. DeLong

Why does a site supposedly committed

1. To provide pro-male activists with news and information that will aid them in working toward establishing equal rights for men and the improvement of men's lives.
2. To encourage participation in activism projects, and to promote membership in men's rights organizations which coordinate activism efforts and serve as a supportive network for men.
Philosophy of Mensactivism

constantly digress into race? Does this site seek to inform and encourage activism in men or pursue a right-wing agenda? Is the MR movement so strong and our opposition so weak that we can afford non-men's rights issues to divide us? (And if you think racial matters are not divisive, you're living under a rock.)

Bottom line, do we want to build a mass movement?

If so, we should emphasize the challenges ALL men face, we should focus on what we all have in common. In their pursuit of a worldwide matriarchy, the fems are coming for us all. Instead we act like men gathered on poker night, arguing over whose deal it is...while the house is on fire.

My argument here is not with the SCOTUS judgment per se but with the subject itself, and the various non-gender (usually racial) topics that insinuate themselves on this board. Maybe men have been so thoroughly trained to fight each other that we can't unite on gender. God, I hope not!

manonthestreet

I have a lot of sympathy with Hunchback. There is certainly quite a lot of extraneous opinion in the so called MM. To be a true MM then things like nationality, race, religion and indeed any other consideration should be totally irrelevant. This is not the case by a huge margin. The only question should be an analysis of each situation totally from a male perspective.

Sadly this will never be the case. In fact you often find so called MRA are also patriotic Americans or English with a stupid respect for their cowedly armies who are even at this very moment engaged in spreading feminism worldwide through their squalid colonial wars. You could not find a bigger contradiction no matter how hard you tried.

So the charge of racism is only one of the small sins of the MM.

It is a surreal experience to realize that there are still 4 individuals with authority that believe a person can be denied employment, promotions and other social benefits/necessities just because of the color of their skin and or gender!

Hunchback...
Discrimination against whites is part of a mindset that also encompasses discrimination against men - when you weaken one you weaken the other. Next time a man launches a similar case based on gender not race, this precedent will be in the back of the judges' minds. And of course it also helps to weaken the public's mindset about various types of affirmative action.
Incidentally, the main white guy in this case has dyslexia, yet he succeeded in the written test, even though obviously a written test is more "biased" against dyslexics than against blacks! Like the Latino guy who scored high enough said, if you want to pass these things, study for them.