Pharmacy chain markets DNA paternity tests in 30 states nationwide

I love the comments in the article "not legally valid", "no established chain of custody", etc... Basically they're trying to present the tests as invalid.

What this will do is allow men to find out on the sly if they're being played for a sucker while bypassing all the hysteric arguements that women deploy to deter DNA tests now.

There is no way these tests could exist.

Yields 1920 results so far.

The companies that make big bucks off of DNA-based expensive lab paternity testing hate this $29.99 over-the-counter alternative, which has so far been proved 98% reliable.

The very small sample of first-wave users of the new test appears to reveal that 10% of children were not the biological spawn of their presumed fathers.

More extensive data suggests that the figure is closer to 30%.

So, another myth about female virtue and fidelity is crumbling, and the science will be irrefutable.

Can't wait for Kim Gandy's speech about the evil conspiracy by men to learn who their baby's real daddy is.....

I expect an attempt to make the process illegal, or at least to question its validity. Since it is the same test used for criminal forensics, a successful argument against the procedure's validity would overturn convictions of a BUNCH of inmates currently serving time. Probably not a preferred option. However the challenge is made, a bunch of lawyers are going to get seriously rich.

So, for the legal scholars here - do men have a natural or legal right to know that the children they are supporting are related to them genetically? And if the courts decide "no", what then? They could - there has never been a time in prior human history when a man could say with 98% certainty that his children were actually related to him. An argument like that might carry weight, especially in a Supreme Court with plenty of "Progressives" on board.

All it is, is a kit to help you take the DNA sample. The lab is still doing the testing. Its hardly a 'paternity testing kit'. Its probably nothing more than a cup you spit into, or a Q-tip to swab your cheek.

It's my understanding that once a man develops a "social bond" with a child, even if he is proved to NOT be the child's biological father, the courts will generally still hold him accountable for child support.

It's in the "child's best interests" to have a daddy paying the bills, even if he's not the real daddy!

It is pretty simple. You get a swab from your cheek and put that in a vial. Then you get a swab from the kid that is supposedly yours and put that in a separate vial. Then you send the vials to the lab and they match up the genetic markers. If I remember right, if 99.8% of the genetic markers match, it is yours. Otherwise it isn't...

The mother (who probably has custody) might argue privacy in order to deny access to the child for testing, or to claim the test was an invation of privacy if it is taken without her knowledge. "Privacy" worked pretty well in Roe v Wade, so I could see that it might be possible that a woman who objected to being revealed as a liar might invoke privacy to prevent the test results from being used as evidence of paternity. Might work, too - get the evidence thrown out on invasion of privacy grounds, all that remains is a "he-said, she-said", and we know how those go.

If you are going to use the test to determine paternity, check with an attorney to forestall "invasion of privacy" arguments before you get the sample, would be my suggestion. I expect legal challenges to either the test or the means of obtaining the sample by women who object to being revealed as frauds, liars and cheats. Not saying it has to happen, just saying that many men have shown a tendency to assume too much when dealing with their exes. Better to plan for the worst and hope for the best than the other way around.

What other ways can women's lobbies mess this up for men?

It should be required that every baby born is DNA tested for verification of paternity.

Feminists would surely support this as an aspect of gender "equality" right?

Why would they object, given the superior moral integrity of their gender?

The mother (who probably has custody) might argue privacy in order to deny access to the child for testing, or to claim the test was an invation of privacy if it is taken without her knowledge.

If I was in the position of having to use a test like this, I'd get the test first -- privacy of the mother be damned. I would of course make no mention of the test results as a justification of any post-test actions.

I'm not a lawyer but one has to be careful not to allow the possibly of the "well he has acted as the father, so give me his wallet even though is really isn't the father..."

I think this product is a Godsend. Obviously it's likely it wouldn't hold up in court, but the test could be used at first, and then you could obtain a test that would hold up in court. There's no doubt that women are going to try to mess this up for men, b/c being able to lie about paternity is something they can use to get rich while sitting on their lazy asses, or to manipulate men into having a relationship with them only to find out the kid isn't theirs. I think Roy's right. They should establish paternity at birth so there's no uncertainty.

Evan AKA X-TRNL
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