Homeschooling Ban in California

Reminds me of some judicial rulings from Germany back in the late '30s.

"primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state"

Xlation: We want to be sure they are raised looking at things a certain way. Our way.

'their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."''

Xlation: We don't trust you with your own kids. [Notice they spelled "there" wrong by using a homonym form. Looks like someone didn't get quite the education necessary while attending public schools.] Meanshile, you don't mind if Miss Fingers in Room 102 molests your sons after school, do you?

The thing is, home-schooled kids almost always do better than public school kids on standardized tests. This embarrasses the state and makes the teachers fear for their jobs. So the teachers' union and the judges have an unholy alliance at work.

But it's not as if they're "your kids" anyway. The last 30 years has made that abundantly clear. I recall hearing about how someone once stood up to Hitler and said he would never follow him. Hitler merely replied that he didn't need the man's support; he already had his kids. That about says it all.

I've been out of school for a while. I don't remember if it was turning into a female-oriented thing when I was in. I'm eager for my son to start in three years so I'll be able to fight the system.

However, I have no problem with this ruling. If the parents aren't credentialed teachers, they have no business teaching. It's not that difficult; get a degree. Yeah, it's a few years, but then you CAN teach your kids.

Properly trained teachers are necessary for our children's education. I, a surveyor, couldn't teach my son properly. My wife, a call center agent, couldn't teach my son properly. My mother-in-law could; she's a teacher.

The problem is, do unlicensed teachers teach by a recommended book, or just teach off the top of their heads? If by book, that's fine. If by heads, it's dangerous.

However, teaching "patriotism" and "keeping an eye on them" IS Nazi-esque. Patriotism is okay. MAKING people be that way is against our country's reason for creation.

The case arose from allegations of child abuse, rather than from any objections to home schooling, and then it escalated.

I smell the Domestic Violence Industry behind this, because of the quote -- "Heimov said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."

What is the difference between "observation" and state-enforced "surveillance?"

It is also interesting that the educational officials' assumptions are that parents are inherently more dangerous to their children than are teachers on the public payroll.

Now parents will be required to prove that their children are NOT being molested while being home schooled -- another "guilty until proven innocent" ruse by the DV feminists.

I am sure that at least 90% of home schooling parents are also Satan worshippers.

Recall that daycare scandal in the 80's in California that proved to be a complete fiction?

Teaching is not an institutionalized activity that requires specific credentials. People teach and learn every day, exchange knowledge and skills, and the vast majority of what people know does not come from sitting in rows in a classroom.

Some of the smartest people I've ever met never went to school. (We're talking Third World farmers, healers, bush doctors, etc.)

Some of the dumbest have multiple college degrees and hold tenure in their cloistered ivory academies where they produce nothing of value and charge thousands of dollars per year for the privilege of their sagacity.

If California is going to require that parents doing home schooling have a state teaching certificate, then it is only one small step to require parenting certification to qualify for making babies.

Which might actually be a reasonable idea.

More Big Nanny State innovation?

I see what you say Roy. A college degree means squat to me, since too many of them are stoopid. I don't presume myself to be qualified to teach my children, but that doesn't mean others without certification to be.

I just look forward to when I can get on the school admins for making my boy go to a "Hitting Women Is Bad" lecture, while the girls sit and watch a movie. I had to do it, and got in trouble when I asked when the girls were going to a class about not to hit boys.

To SpikeRants,

Let’s exclude those who spend 14 hours a day teaching their kids to be brain surgeons before age 8 and those who spend 1 hour a week taking them grocery shopping and calling it a field trip.

Both exist but are little more than background noise in this discussion.

By a large margin, the typical homeschooling parents are involved in one or more homeschooling groups where lesson plans, knowledge testing, and progress measurement is the norm. Activities bring the kids together on a regular basis for interaction with their peers. Many of what the uninformed would consider hurdles have been successfully overcome many times over.

What the state could do if they were truly interested in the kids instead of what they represented in federal dollars, would be to have a top quality outreach program to these homeschooling groups to assist them in establishing and maintaining high educational standards.

Few parents, and some parents hire teachers on a part-time basis, have the credentials the state is asking for. However, support for what the state claims they are looking for is abundantly available within this close-knit community.

I did not state that a college degree means squat.

It means you will make more money if you have one.

My point was --- when you pursue that degree, you will meet some really smart people, and some dumb ones.

Better to get the degree, since the ratio of dumb:smart is pretty much 80%/20% in America.

Seen any TV clips of our President lately?

I know you didn't say that. I feel that myself. Could just be my field of employment, because to get a license you need to have college; but there's nothing a guy in the field for ten years can't do that a guy who graduated from college can.

As for our president.... he's not the best public speaker. That's all I'll say on that.

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with an engineering degree. he had made a lot of money, worked on space craft and accomplished all he had set out to do professionally. he retired early (mid 40's), got bored, and wanted to do something that he loved, coach baseball, maybe in high school. he had played college sports and he was willing to help out by also teaching something schools constantly complained they needed, maybe math or science. he was even willing to attend night or summer classes to learn better how to teach young people, while he worked as a coach.

to make a long story (and ordeal) short, he was denied at every turn. he said they actually wanted him to go back to school for 3 more years and take some simple stuff, like general math, basic science, and such. one teacher he knew said it was just the union's way of keeping others with higher professional degrees from crossing over. i have noticed since then that this has become an issue and some rule changes have occurred that will allow this type person to enter teaching, around here anyway.

this fellow eventually, after months of trying to gain entry, had to give it up. a wasted resource.

my point here being that even educated people, qualified way beyond what is needed to teach high school kids, are assessed as unqualified by people trying to protect their rice bowls. it was just another excuse to deny entry to the type person desperately needed by the failing school systems. imho this is what is happening now in that strange country called kalifornia. crooked judges trying to protect crooked unions. nuttinu.

Some of the smartest people I've ever met never went to school. (We're talking Third World farmers, healers, bush doctors, etc.)

Some of the dumbest have multiple college degrees and hold tenure in their cloistered ivory academies where they produce nothing of value and charge thousands of dollars per year for the privilege of their sagacity.

Isn't that the truth.

College used to be about education. Now it's about indoctrination.

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