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Hate Reaches New Depths at UNH
posted by Scott on 04:24 PM October 9th, 2004
Education At the University of New Hampshire (my alma mater), radical feminism has reached new depths of public contempt for men. It appears that last year's Take Back the Night rally was only a hint of things to come. Whitney Williams, a Feminist Action League member at UNH, has been taking her radical anti-rape message that blames men and fraternities for violence against women to the school newspaper, where she writes a column. Recently she claims to have received a death threat and has rallied more supporters to her cause, who attended a protest rally on Tuesday. On Friday, Williams printed her most extreme diatriabe yet against men, which clearly exposes her intentions. It is, in my opinion, the worst time ever to be a male at UNH. And it continues to baffle me why these young men sit in silence.

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I do not write for men. I do not write for the men who whine about feeling stereotyped, generalized, discriminated against, sad, upset, sorry, or guilty. I do not write for you. I do not do this work for you, I do not believe you and I do not live for you. I do not care that you think I am wrong, stupid, angry, narrow-minded, uneducated, or any four letter words. I do not owe you an apology, an explanation, a written response, or acknowledgment. Women do not owe you anything. You do not deserve to be praised for taking women's studies classes. You do not deserve gratitude for abstaining from raping women. You do not "deserve" anything; but you keep taking as if you do, you keep raping as if you do, you keep talking arrogantly, astonished by my audacity, as if you deserve getting away with it all.

I do not care if you think you have never raped or hurt a woman. I do not care if you think you are not complicit in women's oppression. That is the point. You are not even aware of what you do. You do not even know what rape is. You do it all the time and call women "sluts" for "being too drunk to decide." You do not know what oppression is. Guess why: you don't have to!

Men: you have a responsibility. You must stop raping women. You must stop beating us and coercing us and objectifying us. You must stop oppressing us in the workplace, at home, on the streets. You must tell other men to stop. You must do something. You must apologize. And then apologize some more, and then some more. You must not tell us that "I don't rape" and turn your back. You must stop using pornography and demeaning language. You must stop raping. You must stop raping and beating women, minorities, GLBTQ people, children.

You must stop.

You will be held accountable without apology.

- Whitney Williams, Oct 8, 2004

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.. (Score:1)
by Kyo on 05:21 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#1)
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There was a TBTN rally at my university about six or seven years ago and I found the women there much more inclusive and grateful for support from everyone. Whoever wrote this drivel, which seems calculated to shut out any male reader, seems moe interested in finding a forum for her hatred and her bigoted views than in supoprting victims of genuine rape and violence. Shame on her.
despicable radical/gender feminists (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:02 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#2)
"You do not deserve gratitude for abstaining from raping women. You do not "deserve" anything; but you keep taking as if you do, you keep raping as if you do, you keep talking arrogantly, astonished by my audacity, as if you deserve getting away with it all."

Women like the above author appear mentally ill, and appear to need professional help. It is this kind of sick thinking that provably leads to the misery in so many men's lives, here . Over 90 of these men where falsely accused of rape, and served time as a result of that. Any woman or person who speaks like that in California I hope will be: prosecuted under Sheila Kuehl's new hate speech/hate crime law, and serve hard time (a lot of hard time).

I heard today that Kobe Bryant's accuser admitted that she lied to police. On Fox news they were asking if she should be prosecuted for her lie(s). The kind of unfounded hysteria and villying hate speech that is going on at UNH is despicable and should be condemned by the UNH administration instead of the spineless acquiesing that's going on.

Ray

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NEW CA Hate Law? What is the Bill? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:57 AM October 11th, 2004 EST (#39)
Ray writes, "Any woman or person who speaks like that in California I hope will be: prosecuted under Sheila Kuehl's new hate speech/hate crime law, and serve hard time (a lot of hard time). "

Damn that bitch did it again?!?! She got another anti-male bill passed?

Ray. What is the bill that this law was passed under. I really need to read this to find out what new tricks La Cruel came up with to put men in jail.

Warble


Re:NEW CA Hate Law? What is the Bill? (Score:2)
by TLE on 01:20 PM October 11th, 2004 EST (#43)
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That would be SB 1234, which modifies California's already existing hate crime law. It was signed a couple weeks ago by Gov. Schwarzenegger. I believe it changed the definition of "gender" to be not just your chromosome makeup, but also your "perceived gender," to satisfy the crossdresser lobby. The hate crime law supposedly doesn't criminalize speech, unless that speech incites actual violence against a group. The original article written by Williams comes very close to crossing that line with her Dworkin quote about kitchen knives as a solution for women to fight back at men.

The national version of the hate crime law is the "Local Law Enforcement Act" (LLEA) and is still under debate.
Re:NEW CA Hate Law? What is the Bill? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:07 PM October 11th, 2004 EST (#44)
"The hate crime law supposedly doesn't criminalize speech, unless that speech incites actual violence against a group.

It also includes speech which "intimidates" as hateful, and it is up to the victim to say whether they were or were not intimidated. Big sister is here, and now she's not only lying about Super Bowl Sunday as she did in 1993 (yes that 1st came to prominence in a Sheila Kuehl speec in Pasadena) she's taking away free speech whenever a "protected" person wants to allege hate speech.

Ray

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Re:NEW CA Hate Law? What is the Bill? (Score:2)
by TLE on 12:04 PM October 12th, 2004 EST (#45)
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And don't forget that it's also illegal to "oppress" or "interfere with" anyone. This is part of the original California hate crime law. I'm no lawyer, but I don't see the term "speech" in reference to the law. It's more about violence, or actions such as abortion clinic protests. Of course, since "oppress" is not defined in this law, it is open to interpretation. And since it is an assumption by feminists, like Kuehl, that men are oppressors but never women, the intent is to selectively enforce this law, which looks to be written in gender-neutral language.

Anyway, here's a link to SB 1234. Have a look.
Mental illness (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:11 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#3)
This woman has serious issues. It's so far gone at this point I almost feel sorry for her.

Seriously, seriously ill.
Re:Mental illness (Score:1)
by LibertyUNH on 07:08 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#8)
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But I do not feel sorry for man-haters. I know taunting the mentally ill is unfair, but then the misaqndrists are more unfair to us!
She chose this mental illness (Score:2)
by TLE on 10:03 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Mentally ill? I suppose, but it's a mental illness by choice. I have no sympathy. She voluntarily attended those women's studies classes and read all those books by pathological feminists. We can't go on letting them off the hook because they can't help it or some BS. Let's hold bitches like this accountable for their words. Confront them and make it clear that we as men will not remain politely quiet while a hate campaign is waged against us.
Re:Mental illness (Score:2)
by Raymond Cuttill on 09:05 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#22)
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I'm not sure about mental illness anyway. What is and is not a mental illness is a bit of a political football. Look at the way women who kill babies are handled and compare it to serial killers; both of whom have some claim to mental illness. The baby killer had a momentary lapse but she's alright now and she's been punished enough by the death of her baby (which she killed) so let's let her go now. The serial killer is beyond redemption and cure but is sane enough to be executed. I don't think a woman has been executed for killing her own baby for about 2 centuries.

Serial killers know what they are doing is wrong but like doing it. The Nazis knew what they were doing was wrong but liked it. Feminists know what they are doing is wrong but like it. At some point their rationalizations do take over, but really they know it is wrong. I'd bet this Whitney Williams does not walk around afraid of men, but is ready to attack them, verbally or even physically, should they "oppress her" in even the most trivial way.
Re:Mental illness (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:03 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#27)
"I write for the women who come to college and are not aware of the things a lot of us had to learn by experiencing, the "things" being rape, unwanted sexual attention, gang rape, coercion, powerlessness, assault without penetration, verbal abuse, battery."

To put all these on the same plane is the definition of broken. Women don't verbally abuse men?

Re:Mental illness (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:03 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#33)
One of the definitions of bigotry is takeing a particular group of people and compartmentalizing them. IE, applying an act or acts to the whole based on the action or actions of a scant few.
Williams is by DEFINITION a bigot. Piriod, end of story.
Is she as a white person going to eternaly apologize for what was done to my people? By her logic ALL white people BECAUSE they are WHITE must pay for what SOME whites have and still do to Indians.
Let me put it another way. I am physicaly dis-abled. Crippled, if you must. I have to walk with a cane, and everything. This was done to me by a white man, just out of hate. Do I hold ALL whites responsible for one white man's terrible actions? NO! I hold that ONE person accountable for HIS individual act. Because it was HE who did this to me. The entire white race did NOT get together in some smoke-filled room and plot to attack me and make me a cripple. This ONE person as an INDIVIDUAL made that his OWN decision, PIRIOD!
But that is the mentality of some one like Williams.
Because of the acts of one or a few you make the WHOLE your enemy. She's not mentaly ill, she's just stupid. And with her mentality of seeing a male enemy EVERYWHERE, she is in her own private little HELL.
Perhaps that is punishment enough...,
I do not feel sory for her, but perhaps I'll pray for her.

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They appear to be a hate movement (taxpayer funded (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:29 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#4)
"You are not even aware of what you do. You do not even know what rape is."

Not true, but what is true is that these people appear to be heterophobic, hate monger bigots who don't have a clue what normal, healthy, legal heterosexual sex is, and they appear to have no respect for normal, healthy, legal heterosexual sex. These people appear to be nothing more than ambassadors for the taxpayer funded, women's studies, hate movement that is plaguing so many campuses in America today.

Ray

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Re:They appear to be a hate movement (taxpayer fun (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:04 AM October 11th, 2004 EST (#40)
These people appear to be nothing more than ambassadors for the taxpayer funded, women's studies, hate movement that is plaguing so many campuses in America today.

Yes Ray. I agree. In my opinion these are little more than a group of male hating lesbos.

Warble

Re:They appear to be a hate movement (taxpayer fun (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:36 PM October 11th, 2004 EST (#41)
Such comments will often get you labled; "Homophobe".
But the fact is, Warb, you are probably right.
The weird thing about gays and lesbians, is that, most gay men LOVE women. But most lesbians HATE men.
why the difference, I'm not sure.

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Hysteria and Panic will not help anything (Score:1)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 06:47 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#5)
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"gender feminism...attracts a certain type of person, who’s hyper-sensitive, chronically offended. Women’s Studies is a magnet for them."
Christina Hoff Sommers

Don't get mad. Get organised.
Deranged (Score:1)
by robrob on 07:02 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#6)
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As others have noted, this female has actually reached the stage where her writings appear almost unintelligible due to her pathological hatred of men.

It may well border on mental illness, and as such, it's blatantly obvious that anyone reading this would mainly pity her. In fact, I'd be slightly afraid of being around someone who is capable of writing like that. Let's hope that others recognise the scale of her delusions and pay no attention to her.

The worrying thing is that it was printed in the first place and therefore, someone, somewhere either condones her views or is afraid to advise her that she needs help.
When are males going to stand up to this bullshit? (Score:1)
by napnip on 07:05 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#7)
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And it continues to baffle me why these young men sit in silence.

You know, that's a damn good question. Honestly it baffles me too. I sincerely do not know why men refuse to speak up against this misandry.

Can anybody tell me why? Why will those young men not stand up to the hatred that Whitney Williams heaps on them? Why will they continue to stay silent while people like Williams hurl curses and accusations against them?

I just do not know.

"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
Re:When are males going to stand up to this bullsh (Score:2)
by Raymond Cuttill on 09:30 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#24)
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I think the biggest thing we have to overcome with men, young men in particular, is that they have been taught and find it hard to get over the idea that they are at fault and are oppressors. So they think when a woman complains about something men think they have to do something about it. Whereas men don't think they have anything to complain about and if they do complain, they get shouted down anyway. About anything from abuse to divorce to cleaning the house, men are taught that her wishes are important and any attempt to question her is oppression and she is entitled to shout and rage. In short men will only resist when they understand they are not all guilty for what some men do and that her demands and rights are often just wants and needs and that men have valid wants and needs and rights. In short they have to understand that women's view of the situation isn't the only view of the situation and they have to stop feeling guilty about what they feel and want and need.
I do not write for you.....(Back at ya Bitch!) (Score:1)
by thea on 07:11 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Whitney Williams, Feminazis, and My Sister Women of the Western World....
          ....I do *NOT* write for you spoiled bitches! I write for my father, brothers, male friends, and future male life partner.
                 
                I do *NOT* care, *NOR* do I weep whenever you write such bigoted diatriabes such as this. The age of the 'Patriarchy' has been *DEAD* for *DECADES*!!! I know not of any such actual situations in this day and age when male bosses put their hands down their secretary's shirt. I know not of age when men can even walk freely into their office without having to run the gauntlet Feminist-induced bigotry that forces males to bow their heads in shame for crimes they did *NOT* commit.
               
            I know not of age when a man can even speak his innocent opinion--his Constitutional Right to free speech--without his quibling girlfriend/wife screaming abuse, then denigrating him, falsely accusing him of violence, taking his children away from him, forcing him out of his home, and subjecting him to kowtow to the Divorce Industry.
             
          I do NOT write for you Feminazis and my fellow women of the Western World. This supposed violent misogynistic oppression written by you Williams *ONLY* exist in small villages in Third World Nations. Here in the West, we women are pampered, indulged, coddled. The governments here in the West eat from the palms of our hands. For we live in a Gynarchy! A Matriarchal Dictatorship!
             
        I do *NOT* love thee--Whitney Williams, Feminazis, and my [Spoiled] Sister Women of the West! I love the Men who speak up and denounce such bigotry and institutionalized misandric stereotypes. I write for you good sirs!
             
        I write for the Fathers who will never see their beloved children again, thanks to the Matriarchal Divorce Industry. I write for the husbands/boyfriends, and my fun-loving Frat-boys who are routinely falsely accused of crimes they did NOT commit. I write for Boys who are persecuted by Gynarchy from the classroom, to the mass media, and to the Criminal Justice System. I write for the foolish young men who are engaged or contemplating marrying their girlfriend who will only turn on him in due time once they have their house in the suburbs, their husbands; sperm, and their husbands' livelihood.
             
I write for *YOU GOOD SIRS*!

Whitney Williams, Feminazis, and to my [Spoiled] Western Women: I do NOT care if you say that you aren't feminist. Do you believe that Men are supposed to serve you, though our gender lives in a privileged Matriarchy/Gynarchy? Do you believe that female criminals derserve LESS harsher sentences simply because they have vaginas? Do you believe that a Man is a dog simply because he is not interested in hearing about your girlfriend's drama? Do you believe a Man is a dog if he does NOT want to marry you and have kids with you? Do you believe that Men should be kept on a leash? Do you believe that Men are merely Blame Objects, Money Exploitation Objects, Sperm Objects, Forced Labor Objects, TOYS made just for us?!!.........then *FUCK YOU!!* You are merely a feminist hidden beneath the surface--a piece of human scum, a desposable piece of protoplasm. You are contributing to the Fourth Facist Reich known in human history.

I do NOT write for you! I care NOT what happens to you! I care NOT if you are ignored, for ALL HATRED SUCH AS FEMINISM OR EVEN LATENT FEMINISM SHOULD BE IGNORED!!! I write for these good sirs here, my brothers, my ONLY siblings in this Revolution! I write for these Voltaires, Rousseaus, John Lockes, and Montisqueaus of the Second Enligtenment Era--The Men's Equal Rights Revolution!

I write for my father, my brothers, my male friends, persecuted frat-boys, swindled husbands, abused fathers/husbands/boyfriends, and my future male-life-partner who refused to remain silent--who refused to allow Matriarchy and the Dictatrix known as Feminazism to censor them.

I write for you good sirs.

*FUCK YOU WHITNEY WILLIAMS, FEMINAZIS, LATENT FEMINISTS, AND MY SPOILED SISTER WOMEN OF THE WEST! TO HELL WITH ALL WHO SUPPORT FEMINISM IN THE LEAST!!!*

IT HAS TO STOP!!

I CALL FOR TWENTY-FOUR HOUR TRUCE WHERE THERE IS NO FEMINISM OR FEMALE SELFISH PRIVILIGES!!!

AND FUCK YOU ANDREA DWORKIN--YOU WHO HAS INSTITUTIONALIZED HETEROPHOBIA AND MISANDRY!!!

AND FUCK YOU TOO WHITNEY WILLIAMS--THE FEMINAZI PROTEGE OF DWORKIN!!!!

All Feminists shall be held accountable.

 
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
Re:I do not write for you.....(Back at ya Bitch!) (Score:1)
by Peter on 10:52 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#17)
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this may be bit off topic but I wish everyone would stop equating evil or bad things with dogs. I have had large dogs for the past 15 years, except for my mother they have been my best friends and have protected me from harm (not that I am not capable myself) on a few occasions.

    Pete in Nebraska
Re:I do not write for you.....(Back at ya Bitch!) (Score:1)
by thea on 11:24 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#18)
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I love dogs too. But some of these spoiled Western Women (who are unfortunately my 'sisters') equate Men with dogs. Perhaps it's because Men would rather trust their dogs than some members of my gender, and these women are jealous.

Don't get me wrong Pete. I love my doggie Shadow. I miss him a lot since I went away to college. I wish I came home to him and not my room-mate whose always half-drunk, half-high, and snoring away in her always messy and stinky side of the room.

My doggie is my best-friend too. And I would rather believe and publish what he "said" over what a Feminist spouted to me any day.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
Re:I do not write for you.....(Back at ya Bitch!) (Score:1)
by Peter on 05:39 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#38)
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thea:
    thanks for the nice words. always great to read your posts.

        pete in nebraska
Re:I do not write for you.....(Back at ya Bitch!) (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:38 PM October 11th, 2004 EST (#42)
Thea.
yes.
You don't have strong oppinions, do you? :-)

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Less than 1% of men have committed rape (Score:2)
by mens_issues on 07:12 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#10)
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...and they are despised by the rest of us.

I recall that figure from a survey taken at some time, but it was from a letter to the editor that I read in New Zealand in the 1980s. I recall that the figure reported was 0.85% or so (this was self reported by men, and I don't know what the methodology was).

It would be nice to get more recent information, but I don't know how to find it.

My response to the idiotic diatribe by this woman would be "I don't accept the guilt you're trying to lay on me and other men - back off!"

Steve
Re:Less than 1% of men have committed rape (Score:1)
by Konovan on 12:07 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#28)
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Feminists have a tendency to redefine words without telling anyone. By a dictionary-definition of rape, your numbers are probably correct. However, feminists think that any sex not started by the woman is rape (even if the man was literally begging her and she reluctantly agreed, as pathetic as that sounds). I've also heard the terms "visual rape" and "verbal rape" bandied about on some feminist forums.

So, if you ever get in a debate with a feminist, make sure you press them about their definitions of certain words.
Re:Less than 1% of men have committed rape (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:18 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#34)
This is because feminists love to cram square pegs into round holes.
...Actually, they would probably define what I just said as rape...,
Think about it.

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Correction. (Score:1)
by LibertyUNH on 07:15 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#11)
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Things are not NEARLY as bad as they seem. First of all I am starting a men's group

Men For Liberty { http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyUNH/ }

Second, TODAY AND TOMORROW I will post a dozen fliers advertizing my group! I hope I will get at least a dozen UNH men to join me.

Third, and most important, I will need your help and support as the activism is under way. If they try to kick me out for PROTESTING HATE I will need your help with my case.
Re:Correction. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 08:18 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#13)
I'm states away, but I've been a part of every Glenn Sacks campaign, and think maybe some letter writing wouldn't hurt for those of us who are out of state - and it is valid.

If UNH existed in a vacuum it wouldn't be my issue, but it doesn't. The kind of vile evil hate (misandry) they are spreading is insidious and I will oppose it everywhere in my country as much as I can.

Ray
Re:Correction. (Score:1)
by MAUS on 12:24 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#29)
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Welcome to this forum brother.I was a student at Mount Saint Vincent, Canada's Feminazi Holy of Holies back in the 1980's and I know what you will be in for just for pleading that sanity and common sense should prevail. Have you ever read "Lord of the Flies"? The scene where the one boy, Simon, had enough courage and curiosity to go and look at "the beast"up close and see it for what it was ended up getting mobbed and killed by the frenzyed fear that infected everyone else. I predicted the Montreal massacre...I did not know exactly when or where it was going to happen, but I knew that feminists in post secondary institutions had sewn the seeds for it to happen. I think that the only solution for feminist mysandry is to segragate society so that they can have a realm to dominate to their heart's content and exclude men from altogether because there is just no reasoning with them.

This is a very dangerous time to be on your campus. The feminazis will want to make an example out of someone and, ironicly, it will most likely be one of the men who sang in their choir. The ones with enough courage to spit vitriolic defyance at them will be left alone. Ostracised might be a better word for it. But if you are firm and consistant in your opposition of the "rape crisis"style of feminazi mysandry that is your best hope.

In the long run, we will never eliminate mysandry. We can only hope to eliminate mysandrists from positions of power and from the teaching profession. If this wretch is fed up with men fine...the feeling is mutual. Now the fact is there are a much greater number of men than there are feminazi mysandrists and those men have a much better claim to this being their world than the bitches from Venus. If they find shareing the world with men that intollerable, they can colonize the Aleutian Islands, return to Venus or go to Hell. I have gone far beyond feeling any sort of compassion for their chronic self imposed suffering.
Re:Correction. (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:24 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#35)
>"chronic self imposed suffering"

Yes. That is EXACTLY what it is.
In essence they are their OWN enemy. But are so filled with hate they can not see it.

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This is what we are dealing with (Score:1)
by mcc99 on 07:35 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Some have posted that they think she's nuts and feel sorry for her. Well not to put too fine a point on it, just about every person who has done unspeakably horrible things has been nuts. And, some of them have become very influential and powerful figures. I don't think I need to name names, there have been so many. My point is that crazy or not, she is our enemy. She is working as hard as she can to subjugate if not pretty much reduce men to non-human status, and to raise females to divine or near-divine status. Think I am being a bit too dramatic? It has become fashionable in some circles for young women to refer to themselves as goddesses, routinely. This is one of the effects of indoctrinating so many young women in the many "beliefs" that feminism represents. They have been taught they are far too good for men. And many men have been taught they are not and will never be good enough for women. The consequences you can not only see but also easily imagine.

This woman is our enemy. Feeling pity for her in the abstract sense, well, if you do, then you do, but see her for the threat she is and understand that our cause is not about mere anti-defamation. It is about survival itself. Take her seriously. She doesn't rest in trying to find ways to villify and work against the vital interests of billions of perfectly decent men. We shouldn't rest in seeking ways to reveal her for what she is and for countering her messages of blind hate.

Re:This is what we are dealing with (Score:1)
by Bert on 08:46 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#15)
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I agree with mcc99. In the twenties of the past century everybody thought pity about an idiot named Adolf Hitler and people made jokes about the neglected artist, nobody thought that he could do any serious harm. We all know what happened.

If you ever heard Hitler's hate speeches or the speeches of his propaganda minister Josef Goebbels, they express exactly the same hate like that Williams woman does.

I have no doubts that she is mentally ill, but that doesn't make her less dangerous.

Bert
-------------------- Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
Re:This is what we are dealing with (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:56 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#26)
I agree with you mcc99. I mentioned pity in my response, but more in terms of Cosmo's point later in this thread. Her raving is so ludicrously anti-male, that she has hopefully done more harm to her cause with others who, up to now, may have been neutral in this type of thing.

However, the fact it was published at all and in light of the update to all of this that has been posted, she is a very dangerous individual.

I'm extremely concerned that she got her article published, has got supporters and now the university seem to be patting themsleves on the back that such "freedom of speech" generates this type of debate. This is very dangerous - again, we know that this type of "free speech" is one way only and at the discretion of the University.

I only hope men at UNH get sick of this and bring some sort of legal action.
Don't just sit there ! (Score:1)
by Gang-banged on 08:45 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Seemingly, this is another Cornell type incident, so get writting everyone:

Every University has a similar Bullying and Harassment policy. This rant against men breaks so many codes, it should see the Editor and others expelled !

As Christina Hoff Sommers has enlightened us, there is less than one rape per university campus per year, and, males are equal victims of domestic violence, therefore, not only does the article break all college codes, it is evidently untrue in its allegations, and, can only be viewed as a university sponsered Hate campaign.

Write to everyone conected to the University and see these people silenced - forever !
PLEASE READ THIS POST! (Score:1)
by LSBeene on 06:34 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Guys and Gals I saw this coming and I called it about a week ago.

Let me give you a brief history lesson:

I read about a women's advocate who had gotten a death threat. I even posted the story on SYG to say that this kind of stuff was wrong.

But then I read the article again. THEN I read the original article (did a Google search).

You guys know I don't make wild conspiracy theories, but you should hear me out:

1) The first article was BORING. It was some sing-song nonsense that you make up when you're drunk or stoned and place new lyrics to a song and your buddies give you bad advice to "you should print this".

Here's a link to the article that supposedly got her a death threat: (I don't know how to make a link here - sorry)

http://www.tnhonline.com/news/2003/05/07/Opinion/D o.Take.Note-679634.shtml

Does this article make any of you MRAs mad?! It's lame, not infuriating.

THEN I read the "She got a death threat" article.

Notice what I did? The funding to a women's study course SPECIFICALLY on "Women and violence on society" was cut. And this SAME WOMAN who recieved a death threat, was trying to revive it. And, wow, what do you know, guess what? She's got a voice, she's got a platform, the admin is being forced to listen to her .. and the course is being reintroduced.

Here's my link to the SYG thread I wrote.

http://www.standyourground.com/forum/viewtopic.php ?t=4021

Like I said: first I was sympathetic, but a bit suspicious. THEN I read the article that supposedly got her a "death threat".

Now, NOW she's got all the attention she wants and she's gonna get her demands met.

How convenient.

Hope this helps the discussion.

Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
Re:PLEASE READ THIS POST! (Score:1)
by Bert on 07:53 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#20)
(User #1895 Info) http://www.geocities.com/anti_feminisme/index.html
This is the link to SYG;

SYG thread

To the other link I can't get acces.

Bert
-------------------- Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
Re:PLEASE READ THIS POST! (Score:1)
by AngryMan (end_misandryNOSPAM@yahoo.co.uk) on 09:13 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#23)
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The funding to a women's study course...was cut. And this SAME WOMAN who recieved a death threat, was trying to revive it. And, wow, what do you know ... the course is being reintroduced.

Very interesting. A lot of the time this kind of stuff is not about mental illness at all, it's about money and power. It is often done quite deliberately and cynically. The fact is there is authority to be gained, and money to be made, from spreading fear and alarm. Men are one of the last acceptable targets. 100 years ago, these same feminists were spreading fear and alarm about black men. Today it is all heterosexual men.

Don't get mad. Get organised.
Plain English, undisguised feminism (Score:1)
by cosmo on 08:27 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#21)
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We can write and flyer as much as we want, but I think that a lot of people have prejudices against us because of things they've heard about men's rights advocates from feminists themselves, reducing our credibility in their minds before they've even encountered us. The thing about this article is, the unfounded hatred and the double standards involved are more blatant to the average person than in any other piece of feminist writing I remember reading. She puts forward all kinds of perfectly reasonable points made by men, and then responds with "I don't care".

Maybe some people will see feminism in a different light when they see this coming from a feminist.
Re:Plain English, undisguised feminism (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:32 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#36)
Well, then maybe we should just say the exact same thing to her claims. And that is; "I DON'T CARE". Even if SHE makes a valid point or two, we simply turn it around on her and say; "I don't care."
That and; "Cram it with wallnuts, sister...!"

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  "Hoka hey!"
Re:Plain English, undisguised feminism (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:41 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#37)
"...but I think that a lot of people have prejudices against us because of things they've heard about men's rights advocates from feminists themselves, reducing our credibility in their minds before they've even encountered us."

IMHO I can see how you could make that arguement, but I think they would be saying these same things about men anyway, because they were saying these same things before there were ever any men's rights activists.

Ray
Is the murder threat valid or a false report?????? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:31 AM October 10th, 2004 EST (#25)
Was the death threat reported to the police?
Is the death threat valid?
Someone should look into the possibility that this whole thing is nothing but a false report.

I see in California that a woman who alleged a hate crime was committed against her actually committed the vandalism on her own car. She has been convicted of the crime and is either serving time (involving heavy psychological evaluation) or is about to. I was able to find this older story about the incident, Claremont professor suspected of staging hate crime

Ray
Can anybody spare a menstrual tampon? (Score:1)
by MAUS on 12:42 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#30)
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Can anybody spare a menstrual tampon?

I would like to stick one in my shirt pocket because my heart bleeds for the poor feminazi misfit who is the offspring of a terrible social injustice on the part of her father and a drunken moment on the part of her mother. Too bad for all concerned that her mother was too drunk to express those sentiments to her father at the critical moment.
Re:Can anybody spare a menstrual tampon? (Score:1)
by MAUS on 12:56 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#32)
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If anyone wishes to copy and send any of the comments that I post on this forum to UNH or it's paper, please feel free to do so. I do not wish to accept any sort of membership cookie from them in order to post a reply.
I'll say it... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:45 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#31)
I don't rape.
*turns back*

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  "Hoka hey!"
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