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It isn't clear if their resignation and apology both are a joke, or just the apology. By finishing their writing with "(Just Kidding)" they are making it clear that one or both of these things are not sincere, which doesn't surprise me at all. I imagine in 10 years, maybe less, they will be ashamed of themseleves. But remembering what I and others my age were like when I was their age, I recall that self-examination was hard to do, and actually admitting errors in judgment were rarely done. With age usually cometh humility, at least enough to know when to be serious and when it's OK to cut up some. Ultimately these two are still just boys, but bigted, anti-male males who have been 'educated' into hating their own gender. Maybe this experience will cause them to start questioning their behaviors and attitudes, maybe it won't. One thing is for sure - these two guys are young and have lessons in life to learn. They'll learn them soon enough I am sure.
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by Anonymous User on 01:22 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#2)
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They are just digging their graves:
1) A diatribe against men
2) An 'apology' that, among other thigns, suggests that men's activists beat their wives.
3) An editor's letter that is dicking around.
What you do is hurt them in the pocket book, write to their advertisers (look at the banner ads, and if they have a print version, ads in there) and write to them. Ask them if they think 1,2,3 listed above is supported by them, and if not what they plan to do to rectify the issue (i.e. stop supporting them).
There must be someone above the editor, please do some digging and find the email addresses to these people, the owners, the publishers, and the advertisers.
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by Anonymous User on 01:24 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#4)
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I dont have the advertiser's information yet. I also suggest doing a fax campaign, esp. if you are in the same area code as that will cost them time, money, paper and ink.
By Mail:
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(607) 273-3606
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Ad copy submissions: sbishop@cornelldailysun.com
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by Anonymous User on 01:27 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#5)
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Founded in 1880, The Cornell Daily Sun , one of the nation's oldest daily college newspapers and one of the strongest organizations on campus, is and always has been completely independent from Cornell University. The newspaper serves the Cornell campus and its surrounding community in Ithaca, New York. The Sun is . . .
Cornell University contact information
http://www.cornell.edu/contact/
General Contact Information
Telephone: (607)254-4636 (4-INFO)
Fax: (607)255-5396
Location: Day Hall Lobby
Email: info@cornell.edu
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Office of the President
Jeffrey Lehman, President
Telephone: (607)255-5201
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Location: 300 Day Hall
Email: president@cornell.edu
Web site: www.cornell.edu/president/
Media Contacts
Cornell News Service
Linda Grace-Kobas, Director
Telephone: (607)255-4206
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Thomas Bruce, Vice President
Telephone: (607)255-9929
Fax: (607)255-4763
Location: 308 Day Hall
Email: tommy.bruce@cornell.edu
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"I imagine in 10 years, maybe less, they will be ashamed of themseleves."
Oh, yeah? There are full-blown adults who behave the exact same way and write the same exact garbage.
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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by Anonymous User on 12:06 PM October 9th, 2004 EST (#15)
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I just came back from reading the "responses".
Only two people out of the 20 or more respondants believed that these jokers were being sincire. The rest of us...,
Not so much.
P.S. For those who are interested, I am still waiting to hear from A.I.M. (American Indian Movement) Nothing yet.
They may or may not contact me, about this. They are pretty buisy, so don't be too disapointed if they don't reply. Indian activism is very hard work, too, just as men's activism can be.
Indian activists have to work 70 times harder than feminists to get our message out, because un-like feminists, the media ignores Indian activists.
(And men's activists. Yet ANOTHER parallel between Indians and men as a whole...,)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 02:47 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#6)
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...for the forth time.
I won't quote my letter to them verbitum, but it went something like this;
"I can't tell whether you are being sincire or
if this is more sarcasam.
It has been my expirience that SET MINDS rarely
change so easily.
I have tried, as an Indian activist, for years
to change the minds of Ku Klux Klan folks, but
have never converted ONE.
Perhaps this is different, but likely not."
Thundercloud.
Activist.
America.
To be honest I think they are just handing us MORE insincire B.S.. to what ends, I can't be certain.
I don't think those guys REALLY resigned and I don't think their "apology" is real.
I could be wrong. But having dealt with prejiduce and hate for the length of time that I have, I doubt it.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Under no circumstances let them have the last word..if we do they will counter attack. This was my reply
"What is history going to think of a whole generation of women who wanted to be taken so seriously yet did not consider it necessary to say what they mean" not my words...Woody Allen from "Annie Hall"
Listen you smart alecs, I have been fighting the culture of mysandry for almost as long as both of you have been alive summed together. And let me tell you from VERY sad experience...this includes people...good decent people...people who have never wronged any woman in any way...railroaded by feminist witch hunt inspired courts into loosing decades of their lives...and several men...good decent men...including the president of a Theological College...driven to suicide for no earthly good reason...just an epidemic of political insanity.
You guys complained before that you have'nt gotten laid lately. Don't you think for one minute that just because the feminists you have decided to be sicophantic friends of won't screw you that they won't screw you over. My experience has been that it is the men who sing the loudest in their choir who they screw over the most viciously. If you doubt my words, write to Kevin Ross, c/o Corrections Canada Millhaven Ontario and ask him if he thinks it is wise or prudent to dismiss me as a crank.
You may think this is some sort of a lark. The media you have been given the chance to play with is a powerfull tool. It can ruin lives...it can kill. At least show the responsibility that I hope you do when you drive a car.
AND DON"T THINK FOR ONE MINUTE I AM GOING TO LET YOU GET AWAY WITH ANY SORT OF FEMINISM GETTING THE LAST WORD THROUGH YOUR PATETIC EXCUSE OF A NEWSPAPER THAT HAS BEEN COMMANDEERED INTO BECOMMING A PROPAGANDA PAMPHLET!!!
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by Anonymous User on 08:00 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#10)
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Contact the owners of the paper, the advertisers, and the donators to Cornell University.
Their minds are made up, but that doesn't mean that they can post shit and get away with it. Their being fired will be an example that they cannot spue propaganda and hate without consequences.
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That was a cut and paste of my reply to their "resignation"
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by Anonymous User on 02:48 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#20)
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The point is you are replying to the wrong people, read the grandparent.
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...but it's funny that besides their end-of-message "JUST KIDDING" statement, it's all true.
-DeepThought
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Erase the EARTH
to gmail me.
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by Anonymous User on 06:30 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#9)
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I don't think they realize that the joke is on them. Maybe they'll get it when they're in their mid-twenties and get an order in the mail for child support from an old college girlfriend that they haven't seen since a graduation roll-in-the-hay.
Sorry, chumps. Don't forget to stand in the back of the bus when women come in.
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I am not at all sorry you lost your jobs. It's completely appropriate and in line with your actions.
The "womb" of college ain't like the real world kiddos. Most of America is sick-to-death of P.C. B.S. and one of the few places it still exists is in our colleges.
Be happy you only lost your editorial jobs. Not too far in the future you would have been expelled and had you been OUTSIDE of college you would have been fired and destroyed your careers, and all the attending work that had gone into those efforts. You got off light.
Men's groups do not promote hate, and listening to Nat'l Socialists Feminists like Weiss define men's groups, especially in light of her view of MEN in general, will only give you wrong information.
I invite you to try some men's sites and see what our issues are:
National Coalition for Free Men (NCFM)
His Side (Hisside.com) with Glenn Sacks
Men's News Daily (Mensnewsdaily.com)
iFeminists.com
We are commmitted to equality and fairness. And if you see some anger there, place the blame on women like Anna Weiss and her goose stepping moron sisters who claim victimhood while standing on the necks of men who don't even know her.
I hope you learned from this.
Steven
L Steven Beene II
Military
Alaska
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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It occurs to me you two jokers really don't get it. So let me use my trusty "clue-by-four."
Your P.C. college buddies probably think you're a riot. The feminists will, for as long as it suits their mercurial temprament, treat you as their darlings. And you'll laugh about this ... as long as you are in college.
Understand this, and without sarcasm, ire, nor malice I offer this free advice:
If either of you is going into advertising, journalism, PR, HRO, public policy, gov't work, or a myriad other fields: this article is going to follow you for many many years.
Not because of anything I do, nor any other person here. No, it's squarely on your shoulders.
Try to imagine that you want to become journalists (total guess on my part). Your managing editor or HRO rep is looking over your resume and past clippings. Some of these savy people will simply type your name into a Google search to see what you published that your DIDN'T bring them. What political acts you are involved in, who you have written about, and any other info that is "out there" on the web.
Don't think it won't happen. It takes about 5-10 seconds to type the name, and less than 5 minutes to look up your past on the 'net. With litigation, vetting processes, and people who have done atrocious things in their past possibly being on a payroll ... guys, you have stapled this set of ridiculous articles to every resume you will submit for the next 10 years.
Try it sometime: type your name into a Google search. See what comes up. You'd be surprised.
And then realized that this succession of stunts has cost you more than if you were arrested for drunken brawling, smoking dope, or some other forgivable "juvie" offense. Because you did this stone cold sober (if not, I wouldn't admit it, it'd just be worse).
You wrote in an Ivy League paper how you thought the imprisoning, enslaving, and humiliation of men was just fine with you.
And when people reacted, you called them names and used language more suited to a locker room than an editorial position.
And even in your "swan song" *(if you are truly leaving) you didn't have the good graces to realize that reality (that sphere of influence that exists outside college) had slammed you in the face.
Ask yourself a serious question: If you were an Editor, or a HRO rep, would YOU hire someone who is already legally vulnerable and expose your organization legally by having either of you on staff?
The P.C. 90's are over, and the Rad-Feminist gravy train's salad days are over. The rest of the country is setting it aside. We're moving on.
You may wish in a few years you hadn't acted like buffoons who were high on their own juice, but it's gonna follow you. And despite what you think, I feel for ya. Why? Because I made some mistakes when I was young and ignorant too. And I paid for some of them for YEARS. Doors that I didn't know even existed at the time were closed.
If this truly was your last chance to show your sorrow at a realization of a mistake you wasted it. And long after I've forgotten you, you'll still remember the repercussions.
So, go out, get drunk, party hardy, and play in college while you can. Come graduation (and reality) it's gonna hurt.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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L. Steven Beene II is correct. The infantile bilge, which was poured out by Ms. Weiss and the (hopefully) former editors of the Sun, will probably follow you for years to come. If, in the future, I were to work for the same company as any of you, including Weiss, and I felt that any of you harassed me, I might take action for that alone. But if I found out that the company had hired you after learning about the hatred that you have written and published, I would sue the company and any individual involved in the hiring process who knew about these former actions of yours. And believe me, any company that learns of these actions of yours will know that, if they hire you, they will face such a possible lawsuit.
Anyone who knows about this incident, and who competes for you in any situation where this is in any way relevant, would do well to bring all this up -- the original article, the subsequent statements by the editors, the readers' responses, the fact that the editors were forced to resign, if indeed you have resigned, and the ultimately snide tone of the editors' resignation announcement.
This all may well, and certainly should, haunt you for a long time. As Anina (a woman, by the way) stated, "Misandry is as welcome in this world as racism, misogyny, and homophobia."
I hope for your sake that, despite your pettiness to the end, you have all learned something from this. The days of getting a free pass, while spreading anti-male hatred, are over.
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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It's not clear whether or not the editors really resigned. If they did, however, I think it's worth thanking those who demanded the resignation. Here's my second response:
"The 'just kidding' at the end of the resignation leaves it unclear whether or not these characters have, in fact, resigned. Assuming that they did resign, I would like to thank those who demanded the resignation. I hope that you took your actions not to save face but rather out of a genuine concern over the anti-male hatred expressed in the article by Weiss and the reactions by the editors to readers' responses.
"In addition, I hope that fair-minded women in the hall overseen by Weiss are demanding at the very least a formal, sincere, public apology by her to all men. Then again, I suspect that any fair-minded women in Weiss' hall may be cowed by the solidarity of the feminist sisterhood. Courage may be required.
"Again, hoping that the editors have resigned and that they were forced to resign for their misandry, thank you."
Thomas
-- Creating hostile environments for feminazis since the 1970s.
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LSB, your comments were fantastic. And if Rob from the UK is reading this, you were great too.
The sad thing is that the first time I read this, I assumed that "Alex" was short for Alexandra and was a woman's name. Never did it occur to me that two *men* could write something like this.
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by Anonymous User on 01:35 PM October 10th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Kyo- Don't be so suprised. Some of the feminist's biggest alies are wussie-poopie MEN.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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