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by Davidadelong on 10:17 AM February 21st, 2006 EST (#1)
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It doesn't surprise me that NH has had something to do with this. Way to go! Of course if our paid "public servants" were to read, understand, and forget about themselves while concentrating on the People they are supposed to be serving.....This just might get somewhere. Gentlemen, "It is a good day to die!"
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by RandomMan on 03:10 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#5)
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Sorry to butt in...
I think he's just echoing Thundercloud's fine sentiment "Hoka Hey!", which I think was originally intended to mean "it is a good day to die", although that might be a mistranslation or one of several meanings as it seems the phrase has different meanings when used in a context outside of battle. (Help me out here, TC/Davidadelong!).
There's one explanation here. From that article, it seems that it can also be taken to mean: "...hold fast, there is more!". Not sure which one TC means (both meanings make the expression apropos, IMO), or if that's why Davidadelong's using that phrase - I'm just speculating wildly...but that's how I understood things. Didn't offend me in the least.
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by Thundercloud on 03:53 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#7)
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Yeah. "Hoka Hey!" means "it's a good day to die".
I use it as a "war cry" to mean I will fight this battle to the end, even to my death, if necessary.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Roy on 05:09 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#9)
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This saying is also the title to an excellent book -- "It's A Good Day To Die: Indian Eyewitnesses Tell The Story Of The Battle Of The Little Bighorn," by Herman J. Viola.
This slim volume (barely 100 pages) is based on transcriptions of interviews with the Indian survivors of the battle on the "Greasy Grass."
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The volume opens with these words from Sitting Bull (Hunkpapa) -- "I never taught my people to trust the Americans. I told them the truth - the Americans are great liars. I have never dealt with the Americans. I never went to the reservation or accepted rations or other gifts from the white man government. My people were wealthy in food and clothing and lodges, in everything necessary for being an Indian.
The land belonged to my people. It was a gift to us from the Great Spirit. The Great Spirit gave us the game in this country. It was our privilege to hunt the game in our country.
The white man came here to take the country away from us by force. He brought misery and wretchedness into our country. We were here killing game and eating,and all of a sudden we were attacked by white men.
We were not out there to fight; we had to fight because we were attacked."
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Sitting Bull's last sentence above seems very relevant to men today, especially those who consider themselves men's rights activists.
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by Demonspawn on 07:28 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#11)
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I take it this way:
"It is a good day to die" meaning "our cause is something worth dying for"
War exists on several levels.
The first level is when someone is willing to fight for what they believe in. This is the point when you should take up notice about what is going on. This is the level that most "wars" are fought at. They exist until public sentiment turns against the war effort, and then war stops.
The second level is when someone is willing to kill for what they believe in. This is the level I place most feminists at. They are willing to inflict harm on those they feel responsible (men). The actors at this level are harder to stop, since public sentiment doesn't matter to them.
The final level is when someone is willing to die for what the believe in. This is when gurillia war happens. This is the level at which you will not stop us until we actualy are dead.
We are at war with feminists. Currently it is a war for hearts and minds, and I'm glad that it is at that scope, but I never forget that this could get ugly. For me, and probally for others here, this cause is worth getting ugly for. If the situation becomes bleak enough, I will get ugly for this... not only for myself, but for my son.
--Demonspawn
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by Davidadelong on 08:05 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#12)
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When I was younger, in my teens, and incacerated as a ward of the court I read much. I have always admired the American Indians, and I read much about them. That is where I learned that saying, and as much as I respect Thundercloud I have used that saying as well as the belief since I was a kid. Thundercloud was kind enough to correct me on a misconception that I had about the correct pronounciation of the Indian saying. I use the English words as I don't want anyone to misunderstand me. I am sorry that you are offended by what has been my lifes motto Dittohd. But I mean what I say, and I say what I mean. I am fighting for the right to live my life with dignity and respect, and to me it is worth my life. Because, I would rather die than accept being a slave, and the mentality that goes along with it. I would not lay my life down on a whim, nor foolishly. But Human Rights to me is not a foolish endeavor. Yes, "It is a good day to die!"
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by Davidadelong on 11:18 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#15)
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I beg to differ. If everyone would stand up and adopt the same attitude there would be no more slaves. Because then they wouldn't have anyone they could coerce. I also beg to differ with you about the American Indians, and so would they. So, I guess that we will have to agree to disagree. Because in my life I have had situations where I would have chose death rather than what was being proposed. It is because of that very same philosophy that those particular things did not happen to me. But, I have earned my attitude, as I am sure you have earned yours. As I said, you don't have to agree. "It is a good day to die!" I am at war so to speak with a bigger enemy than the feminazis, I am at war with the system that has allowed them to do what they have done with impunity. Do I believe that the future of Humanity is worth the sacrifice of my life? Why yes Dittohd, I believe it is. But I will choose, and whether or not I die of old age or some other cause, I will still die fighting.
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by Thundercloud on 12:46 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#19)
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Dittohd and David-
You are BOTH right.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
"It is a good day to die". But it is an even better day to have victory.
..Or have mozzarella burgers at Bennigan's, what ever comes first. LOL
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by Davidadelong on 10:13 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#21)
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OK, I do agree with you on one using ones mental faculties. I have never been what one could call an armchair Warrior. My life has been such that I have had to actively fight all of my life to survive. It is much more than an intellectual pursuit for me Dittohd. It has been my life. That perhaps is why I feel as strongly as I do about the fight for Human Rights. I have never really done anything foolish, other than to stand my ground when others around me would not. I have been know to say some pretty foolish things under the influence of alcohol on occasion, I will admit to that! In so far as my attitude is concerned though, I think it is necessary for victory, and victory is as you have said what the "fight" is all about isn't it? But, I want to thank you for your heartfelt wish of luck to me in my endeavor. Remember, the things that I say are just like you, Just My Opinion........
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by Davidadelong on 05:50 PM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#20)
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Yes Sir! To sip a fine whiskey, and smoke a good cigar as one sits around a table and discusses a real victory, yes that is definately better than death. But we all don't have the option to fore see a vision such as this. Anyway, thank you Thundercloud! A mozzarella burger sounds good though!
And a hearty "Hoka hey!" to you Sir!
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by Davidadelong on 09:19 AM February 23rd, 2006 EST (#24)
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I have integrity. There is no such thing as a dirty move if ones' life is on the line, is there? I believe that the rules of engagement have already been drawn by the opposition, don't you? No, I don't watch much main stream television, as a matter of fact, none at all. I do watch the news, and find I enjoy movies, and some sporting events, but not many. I also enjoy some of the educational programs.
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by MAUS on 04:15 PM February 24th, 2006 EST (#30)
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The original quote is attributed to Chief Joseph of the Nez Piercé tribe who when hunted to a last stand by white cavalry enforcing false accusations responded to their ultimatum to surrender or die
"I am so greatfull for my life that today is as good a day as any to die"
"It is a good day to die" became a commonplace cheer of defyance among the native warriors who chose not to surrender.
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by Thundercloud on 12:24 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#2)
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Unfortunately these facts and findings will not likely make it any farther than the website it is on.
The mainstream media will not, WOULD NOT ever let this information get out.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Ragtime on 02:30 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#4)
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TC wrote: The mainstream media will not, WOULD NOT ever let this information get out.
I'm very pleased (you will be too, TC) to say that you're wrong this time.
Well, at least partly ... :)
The story was linked to on Bourque Newswatch, a news headline web site that is *very* popular in Canada. It's used by many Canadians and Americans, and by much of the MSM. Very much like Drudge.
So, the story got put in front of a LOT of people. I've since seen discussion of it crop up in some unlikely places.
So, major kudos to the NH Men's Commission!
Also, I guess this is as good a time as any to announce to my friends here on MensActivism my intent to move to New Hampshire in the next five years -- assuming they'll have a free-thinking Canuck who's a liberty and Men's rights activist. :-)
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Thundercloud on 03:50 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#6)
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I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong.
And in this case I'm REALLY GLAD I am! :-)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Davidadelong on 08:11 PM February 21st, 2006 EST (#13)
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I had considered that move myself at one time Ragtime, and for the same reasons. Perhaps a respite from the crap that seems to be choking everyone everywhere. At this time I don't know where I will be in a few years for a number of reasons. But I wish you well with your move.
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by Ragtime on 09:17 AM February 23rd, 2006 EST (#23)
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Dittohd wrote: I'm originally from New York and I never liked the snow. I felt that moving to New Hampshire would just be going backwards being that I'm living in a part of Texas now where there is almost never any snow.
I hear you. That's been a concern for me, too. I'm from Canada, and we're supposed to 'accustomed' to cold weather, but I've never liked winter -- I'm a summer person.
I live near Toronto, and mid-NH is just about exactly due east, though I suspect it doesn't get quite as cold here. We're surrounded by the Great Lakes, which moderate the climate a fair bit.
I've always wanted to move somewhere thats warm all year round, but I think I'm willing to bend on that for the sake of concentrating our efforts and adding my voice to the calls for a free state. If we can get just one truly free state, it'll spread.
Maybe my target will change over the years as other states/countries come on board, but for now I think it has to be NH. (I've heard talk of a "Free Kentucky" movement...)
Good luck in the far east, Dittohd. The women are indeed beautiful in many ways. Think hard about what you could give up in liberty, though. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's many libertarian Asian states. :) Certainly none with CCW.
Ragtime
The Uppity Wallet
The opinions expressed above are my own,
but you're welcome to adopt them.
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by Dittohd on 07:16 PM February 23rd, 2006 EST (#25)
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>I think I'm willing to bend on that for the sake of concentrating our efforts and adding my voice to the calls for a free state.
I salute you for that attitude. Too bad there aren't a lot more like you. For me, I would rather find a place where the climate is a lot more friendly and then create another free state. The thought even crossed my mind lately of creating one for American men overseas. What do you think about that idea? :-}
>Think hard about what you could give up in liberty, though. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's many libertarian Asian states. :)
I've thought about that. I figure that there would probably be more freedom where the government isn't so mechanized and computerized into monitoring your every move. Seems that it would be a lot easier to stay anonymous if you don't make yourself stand out in a not-so-technilogically "advanced" country. I could be wrong, of course, but I expect to really enjoy the change. When I was in the military, moving to another base was always one of the highlights of my 20 years in. The mechanics may be a hassle but I always enjoyed moving to and living in new places.
When I was stationed in Thailand, it was summer all year long. The only difference in seasons was the rain. Wow! All the orient certainly isn't like that, but I can say southern Thailand where I was certainly was. I also remember one year in northern Japan when we got over 240 inches of snow in a season. Never super deep but just 3-5 inches time after time after time. Man o man! Southern Japan is so much more reasonable, though being married to a Japanese woman for over 30 years, I've had my fill of Japanese women. I wouldn't go there again to live. Japanese women are just no longer attractive to me. Does that make me racist? Maybe so. But don't let anybody kid you. Women of different races are definitely different. They look different, speak different languages and act differently. Plus each set of women are governed by a different set of government rules. It's like a wonderful buffet!
Dittohd
P.S. CCW? I know I'm going to look really stupid when you remind me of what this stands for. CounterClockWise? Carrying a Concealed Weapon? Countryside Council for Wales? Continuous Composite Write? Cock-Chopping Women? Whoops! I better quit while I'm behind!
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by Davidadelong on 10:48 AM February 22nd, 2006 EST (#18)
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I have also considered moving to Loreto, Baja MX. I have been told that it is as about as free as one can get there. I have also heard that there is a large expatriot community there. I have never been there, and being somewhat pale of skin with blue eyes; burning in the tropical sun doesn't really thrill me either. Oh well, who knows what life will bring?
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by Dittohd on 12:25 PM February 24th, 2006 EST (#28)
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>I have also considered moving to Loreto, Baja MX
Some time ago I saw a segment on TV where they were talking about a lot of Americans buying up land and moving to Mexico because it and the cost of living there was so inexpensive. At the time, I found and bookmarked this article.
The thing is, I've always heard about excessive corruption of the police in Mexico to the point that they even bite the American hand that feeds them. It scares me enough where I won't even go to Mexico to visit.
Plus I've heard very little good about Hispanic women. Although I've never heard bad about them, I've never really heard more than one or two guys brag on them. Plus Hispanic women have a distinct propensity towards heaviness. While that isn't a deal-breaker for me, I definitely prefer my women thin.
Heavy oriental women are few and far between, even in old age.
Dittohd
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