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by Anonymous User on 07:31 PM August 24th, 2005 EST (#1)
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This is part of the "Houston Men Against Family Violence Campaign". Once again, men have to do all the hard work, while women do nothing. Why isn't there a Houston Women Against Family Violence Campaign?
I hope that the Houston Men Against Family Violence act like men and denounce female domestic violence against men. This problem has been ignored and covered up for too long by male-haters. Once again, men have to step up and take care of the really difficult problems.
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by Anonymous User on 11:05 AM August 25th, 2005 EST (#4)
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And make no mistake about it, They are out to "round up" American Indian men in the same way. We're a goldmine that had yet to be tapped.
Well, their tapping now.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:53 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#6)
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It's worth reading (or re-reading) Title X of the VAWA 2005 bill 3402 currently in the House.
As near as I can tell, it's the only section of VAWA '05 that uses the word "women" repeatedly when defining who has access to services.
Everywhere else, VAWA language cleverly uses gender-neutral terms like "children, persons, victims" to define who is eligible for services.
The bill proposes $2 million to "study" tribal peoples in order to design culturally appropriate DV responses.
It also creates a Tribal Dept. within the Office
for Violence Against Women, with suitably qualified staff.
T-Cloud may or may not agree, but history seems to have demonstrated over and over again that when the Great Father in D.C. starts to take an interest in American Indians, great suffering usually follows....
Here's an excerpt from VAWA H.R. 3402 and link --
TITLE X--SAFETY ON TRIBAL LANDS
SEC. 1001. PURPOSES.
The purposes of this title are--
(1) to decrease the incidence of violent crimes against Indian women;
(2) to strengthen the capacity of Indian tribes to exercise their sovereign authority to respond to violent crimes committed against Indian women under their jurisdiction; and
(3) to ensure that perpetrators of violent crimes committed against Indian women are held accountable for their criminal behavior.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./tem p/~c109AWSAZd:e383412:
(Roy)
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by Anonymous User on 01:37 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#7)
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No I don't disagree, at all.
I know I speak for MOST Indians when I say, we want LESS of the "Great Father's" nose in our business, not MORE! The government sticks it's nose into EVERY ASPECT of Indian life. Which is the main reason I don't want to live on the Cherokee res in N. Carolina. (Or any reservation for that matter) The federal government still wants to reduce the Indian population. And what better way to do that then tear apart the already tenuous family structure that many Indians have now? And it will be even easier for the government to do it to Indians because we don't have the resources that most Americans have and the media NEVER listens to or reports Indian concerns. So no non-Indians ever really know what is happening to us on or off reservations. So there will be no support for us from the "non-Indian community".
I have to be totally honest, I am VERY concerned about what the government is doing concerning DV among Indians.
First of all, Indian women can be JUST as violent as Indian men. Yet there will be NO protection for Indian males, just like there is none for all American males, in general.
Secondly, There is TONS more violence against Indian males then there is against Indian females. Violence is one of the leading causes of death for Indian men and male teens. Indian men are also more likely to be attacked and/or murdered by people of other races. Even Black people cannot claim this.
Yet here is the G@7 d@ned federal government, run by feminists and wussie-poopie "yes-men" ignoring all that and coming onto what little land our people have left to impose ONE MORE "rule" against us to take away what little STABILITY we have left.
We, (Indians) as a people can't last much longer at this rate.
This will tear our families apart, and they DON'T EVEN CARE! All that matters to them is destroying men. They don't care what color, race or creed you are, just as long as they are hurting and destroying MEN! Politically, socially, spiritually and totally. Where will it END? WHEN will it end? Nowhere, that's where. And never, that's when. They will not stop until every last human male on the planet is ground up under the shoes of femi-government, is in no other positions other than slave or subservient and is stripped of EVERY vestige of humanity...!
Jesus, it pisses me off!!!!
I'd better stop here before I say some things I regret. And I know I will if I keep going on like this.
Geez!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 04:05 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#10)
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Well, it may be a good time to reflect on good ol' General Custer.
He was an arrogant asshole, full of himself, vain, prissy even, and he had no tactical abilities other than to slaughter people in their sleep.
(Read -- "It's a Good Day to Die: Indian Eyewitnesses Tell the Story of the Battle of the Little Bighorn." Herman J. Viola. )
So, now that men are waking up to feminist tyranny, we will at least be less easy to kill.
Custer had a fatal defect, because he could not listen well to the many chiefs when they spoke to him.
Indian women on the Bighorn battlefield after the slaughter helped him in his death-path by puncturing his eardrums; clearly an act of compassion and courtesy.
What we need now is to puncture the eardrums of the radical feminists, while they can still hear.
VAWA's assault on tribal men may provide a good battleground, because it's pretty damn clear that this time the feminists have revealed that they are both sexist AND racist.
If this Tribal Department office is created within the DOJ's Office for Violence Against Women, can we look forward to future variations ---
Latino Office....
African-American Office...
Jewish Office....
Polish Office...
Asian Office....
Am I being unrealistic, or merely intelligently paranoid?
(Roy)
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by Anonymous User on 12:27 PM August 26th, 2005 EST (#17)
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Roy-
Yes, the women did indeed puncture Custer's ears.
You know why they did that? To help him LISTEN. Something he apparently didn't do in the first place, which is sad because he might have lived a little longer if he had.
I'm probably one of the rare Indians that doesn't celebrate Custer's death. I'm never glad when any one dies. Not even a b@$!@rd like him.
But I have likened the feminists to Custer (among others, like Hitler) also.
Custer was full of himself, like the feminists are full of themselves. He was self important, just as the feminists are. He thought he could do no wrong, just like the feminists, and he thought he was beyond the reach of justice, just like the feminists.
The thing is, though, that people like this always end up the way Custer did. And they never see it coming. The feminist's would be wise to learn from Custer. Other wise they may end up with awls stuck in their ears too. (figuratively, not literally)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:58 PM August 26th, 2005 EST (#20)
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Roy wisely notes, "As near as I can tell, it's the only section of VAWA '05 that uses the word "women" repeatedly when defining who has access to services. "
He quotes:
"TITLE X--SAFETY ON TRIBAL LANDS
SEC. 1001. PURPOSES.
The purposes of this title are--
(1) to decrease the incidence of violent crimes against Indian women;
(2) to strengthen the capacity of Indian tribes to exercise their sovereign authority to respond to violent crimes committed against Indian women under their jurisdiction; and
(3) to ensure that perpetrators of violent crimes committed against Indian women are held accountable for their criminal behavior.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./tem p/~c109AWSAZd:e383412: "
Now take a look at the skin color of the men who have their pictures posted:
Racist Male Hating Bastards
I count 100 total photos.
I count possibly 6 white males.
I count 6 non-white women.
Question: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE ARRESTS OF THE GOD DAMED WHITE WOMEN!!!!!
Lesson on evil white female privilege over.
Warble
P.S. This has been going on for hundreds of years. White females have gotten special exemption from the law for centuries. It is even spelled out in the historical law books. They are the great evil.
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by Anonymous User on 07:01 PM August 26th, 2005 EST (#21)
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Here is the link that proves white female bigotry:
Notice how the Dems sponsor the racism in the language of the bill. I found the same thing from the Dems, Libs, Socialist, Communists, and Marxist-Feminists in Sacramento.
It was just like this photo illustrates.
Racist Male Hating Bastards
Evil white male MRA has spoken.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 06:15 PM August 27th, 2005 EST (#22)
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There's a long-running argument that feminism has mostly, even exclusively, benefited middle/upper-class white women.
Certainly the whole DV Industry / Womynz' Advocates legal bureaucracy / Women's Studies academic racketeering is dominated by nice, middle-class white girls (lesbians included).
N.O.W. has an obvious guilt complex about how their declining membership lacks women of color.
My own theory is that VAWA 2005's special attention to "underserved populations" is largely motivated by the feminists need to seek new victim territory among tribal and ethnic women.
It just makes logical sense.
Since white American women are now the undisputably most privileged class on the planet, if you're a rad-fem, you've got to adopt a new marketing strategy, right?
It would be interesting to see N.O.W.'s actual paid membership directory.
SUV soccer moms, women's studies professors, and wussy-poopie male eunuchs would surely be the majority.
Feminism is in reality no longer a "movement."
It is a business.
Subsidized by VAWA's billions.
(Roy)
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by Anonymous User on 02:21 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#8)
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"And make no mistake about it, They are out to "round up" American Indian men in the same way."
TC
Yes, to the best of my understanding, there is specific language that has been added to this renewal of VAWA, after gender feminists made a spiel about targeting this area. Anyplace this malignancy, this violation of constitutional rights has not yet reached is fertile ground for the evils of VAWA. I thought Indian lands/reservations had some immunity from some "laws of the land" so I'm hoping that Indian men targeted by this VAWA stand up against VAWA for the invasion of their rights that it is.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 03:22 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#9)
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Ray.
No place is safe from feminism.
Not even our reservations.
As far as Indian men standing up to feminism. ...I don't know. We tend to revere the female in most of our cultures. "Mother Earth", "feminine power" and all that. But also at one time a lot of the Indian nations were fairly matriarchal. Including my tribe. (Cherokee)
Also many Indians are still very disenfranchised. Especially our men. Drug and alcohol use and abuse is through the roof, as are suicide and homicide. not to mention unemployment and poverty.
What worries me is that our men are very weak at this point. The VAWA attacking us now, is not surprising. We are VERY vulnerable, right now.
A disenfranchised and battered people are easy pray. The feminists know this, and the federal government COUNTS on it.
I am concerned for not just my people but all Indian tribes everywhere. This could just likely be the final nail in our coffin. Maybe not, but it COULD be.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 04:32 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#11)
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Thndercloud wrote ---
"As far as Indian men standing up to feminism. ...I don't know. We tend to revere the female in most of our cultures. "Mother Earth", "feminine power" and all that. But also at one time a lot of the Indian nations were fairly matriarchal. Including my tribe. (Cherokee)"
Man, you have a novel, a Ph.D. and a blockbuster movie inside of you!
Now we just have to find the right L.A. connection!
(And, please .... resist the "who's WE white man?" Tonto riff.)
Seriously, Thundercloud, you have a unique voice, based on a lifetime of experience.
But then, I'm just another white boy idealizing the "romantic savages" of yesteryear.
Not unlike MRA's who are still looking for their "princess," yes?
You really ought to have your own website.
I think the new (reformed) VAWA legislation might fund it!
So, how does the matriarchal history of your tribe affect Indian men?
Is it anything more than having a domineering mother?
Does it mean that men are born into a culture that communicates the dominance of women?
Now, that would be new! ;-0
(Roy)
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by Anonymous User on 06:06 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#12)
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"You really ought to have your own website."
But then MANN would lose one of its best posters. MANN has been a poorer place since the Gonzo kid set up his own blog. Better to have all activists focussed on one site.
Hotspur
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by Anonymous User on 07:30 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#13)
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Where is Gonzo?
HTML-wise?
I'd forgotten his voice.
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by Anonymous User on 01:19 PM August 26th, 2005 EST (#18)
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Thank you, you guys.
I may eventually get my own website. It will be the first of it's kind. It would/will blend American Indian and Men's activism together. All will be welcome. (well except the trolls, but I guess they'll come any way.)
Ray- as far as the "Matriarchal society" goes. No, Indian males weren't born into any kind of female "dominance" per-say, it's just that the women had the final say in just about everything. Things like going to war, or even whether a war prisoner would live or die. And if a particular prisoner was to die, it was the women who carried out the execution. This is a part of my heritage I'm not proud of, but the women would literally skin a man alive! *shudder*
Women's "power" was and still is, for the most part, highly respected by most traditional Cherokees (and other such tribes). The power of creation occurs INSIDE of woman. Now THAT'S power! But this is not to say that MEN'S power was not respected by our women, because it was. I repeat, "WAS" And that's the problem, now-a-days. Because of the influence of feminism on Indian women, they no longer respect the power of men. BUT like the "regular" feminists they demand that we STILL respect their power. It's the same "We women are superior to you mere males and we are going to dis-respect you and hold you in the highest contempt, but YOU are going to worship US."
Women are women where ever you go. No woman anywhere is "safe" from feminism. We have TVs on the reservations, just like anywhere else. Our women see the same shows that all American women see. They see the contempt held by women for men through things like "LIFETIME" and just about every sitcom and soap opera. They see shows like Oprah Winfrey and all the anti-male commercials, they see all the shows of women beating up, tying up and kicking men in the groin.
It influences them just as it does any other women.
The feminist also come to speak on reservations. They are invited by "women's clans" on the res. So then the feminists can spew even MORE of their "Hate all men" rhetoric, further polluting our women.
I don't even recognise our women anymore...,
All this further disenfranchises our men. Indian men, statistically have some of the lowest self esteem of any ethnic group on the PLANET! (Black women have the highest) As I mentioned before We have the highest suicide rate of all men, alcohol and drug abuse, depression, diabetes, obesity and unemployment. (80% unemployment on many reservations), EVERYTHING has been done to grind our men into the dirt.
Now here comes the V.A.W.A. "Indian style".
What do you think THAT is going to do to our men?
We are already beaten and bloody. This is going to likely be a death blow to many of us. And the feminists KNOW it.
They want total subjugation of Indian men. Because they know that in order to control a people you must first destroy their men.
That is what I think this version of the V.A.W.A is all about.
The feminists may very likely succeed where the federal government failed, for the last 200 years. The annihilation of the American Indian...,
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 03:52 AM August 25th, 2005 EST (#2)
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I thought people who committed domestic violence were arrested, when the police responded to the call.
I've never heard of this kind of operation before and would be curious to know about the details. Was the Sheriff's department just saving up all those false accusations that devorce lawyers and feminist trained d.v. advocates coach women to make, or what? This is very strange.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 03:54 AM August 25th, 2005 EST (#3)
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"I thought people who committed domestic violence were arrested, when the police responded to the call."
Make that "allegedly committed domestic violence."
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 12:23 PM August 25th, 2005 EST (#5)
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Indeed the text of the article is confusing --
"We are seeking everyone with an open warrant for child or intimate partner abuse. We are coming to get you," (Police Chief) Hurtt said.
So I'm speculating that the police department in fact had 300 "open" warrants for alleged DV perps who they had earlier failed to arrest.
It does have the earmarks of a staged media event to benefit the Chief and some local pols.
Interesting timing too, with VAWA coming up for a renewal vote in a very few weeks?
(Roy)
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by Uberganger on 07:33 AM August 26th, 2005 EST (#15)
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Well, would you look at that. I've only just replied to a similar post by an Anonymous User in relation to the item on the poor, hard-done-to Japanese women. I said in that reply that this Anonymous User is probably a femipest trying to manufacture evidence for the evil men's movement. They really are that low, pathetic and desperate. Expect to see hysterical headlines in a newspaper near you: "Men's Rights Activists Advocate Murder Of Women!". After all, VAWA is coming up for renewal, and some of those pesky MRA's are starting to get people to see the other side of the coin. Can't have that, now, can we?
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by Anonymous User on 09:50 AM August 26th, 2005 EST (#16)
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Clearly, a gender feminist VAWA troll is trying to sabatoge this discussion. What a despicable person to advocate violence against anyone, but then that will get the d.v. industry more business and more funding from the dummies in congress. What a despicable person to try to discredit those advocating for the valid needs of male victims of domestic violence.
I've long contended that the real batterers are really the people advocating for the mainstream d.v. industry and those running it, and this troll is just proving that point. Shame on the domestic violence industry for battering innocent people, mostly men.
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by Anonymous User on 01:22 PM August 26th, 2005 EST (#19)
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Hey troll if you want to kill people why not start with yourself? then you can kill anyone you want after that. *snicker*
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Roy writes "The politically ambitious Chief of Police in Houston TX has launched a campaign to arrest alleged domestic violence perpetrators, with the catchy title "Abusers Are Losers.""