|
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
|
 |
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 07:06 PM June 2nd, 2005 EST (#1)
|
|
|
|
|
The article as posted is a very brief excerpt from the larger research links.
But the comments immediately following the article are very interesting.
Themes include men not having high enough standards on housework, women spending too much time watching TV, the need for negotiated division of domestic chores, the lack of recognition for all the domestic maintenance that men do, and even the idea that this is not really a gender issue at all.
There's not a lot of strident feminasty-ism in the comments...
Seems like the feminist angle was largely ignored by people who have real jobs and actual chores to accomplish.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 12:30 AM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#2)
|
|
|
|
|
"Women with jobs outside the home, on average, spend about twice as much time as men taking care of children and household chores."
Housework is a small effort compared to men's occupational labor.
When Hubby Does Housework... click "View Larger." Disregard other info.
Sincerely, Ray
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 12:48 AM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#3)
|
|
|
|
|
"When Hubby Does Housework Guess Who Milks the Cows"
That engraving is about 150 years old. It's been a really long time since most of the women in America have worked that hard. For the 18 years we lived on our farm it was my Dad who had the grip needed to milk the cows efficiently, and my Mom probably worked harder than any woman I've ever met since. I've seen her milk cows, but not often.
I remember when I first started milking cows at about 13, I got fired for a while for wasting milk by squirting kittens in the face. It was funny and the kittens loved it.
Sincerely, Ray
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Dave K on 10:15 AM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#4)
|
|
|
|
|
When I milked during my youth, one of my responsibilities was to pour some milk into a big saucer for the cats... and yes they do like getting squireted in the face.
Farming is hard work even today, and you can see what that lifestyle was like a century ago if you have ever been to an Amish area, EVERYONE works hard, men, women, and children. Interestingly though... economically speaking, the Amish farms are FAR more successful than their modern small farm counterparts. These days to be a modern farmer means get big or die.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 01:09 PM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#6)
|
|
|
|
|
You're all missing the point.
Aayla Secura DIES in STAR WARS episode III revenge of the Sith.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 01:51 PM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#8)
|
|
|
|
|
"You're all missing the point.
Aayla Secura DIES in STAR WARS episode III revenge of the Sith."
Three (3) Points:
#1 I think good points have been made (prior to your nebulous post) that do not "miss the point."
#2 ...and what exactly is "your point" for those who have not seen Star Wars, or do not plan to?
#3 Is your information just so brief as to be deficient, or are you a TROLL?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 01:59 PM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#9)
|
|
|
|
|
I'm a Star wars fan and have seen the the newest one the (Troll?) is talking about.
Aayloa Sekra (or how ever it's spelled) is an alien being called a Twi'lek. The character gets killed in the movie, but what the hell it has to do with this disscusion, I have no idea...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 09:45 PM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#10)
|
|
|
|
|
Thanks TC That clears it up.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 11:34 AM June 6th, 2005 EST (#12)
|
|
|
|
|
Yeah, but it still doesn't explain the point the troll is making. If there is any point.
I'm getting confused.
Jinx
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 12:04 PM June 7th, 2005 EST (#13)
|
|
|
|
|
No. No point. They're just being a Troll.
And one of the wierder ones we've had, I. M. O.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by bluprint on 10:21 AM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#5)
|
|
|
|
|
I'd be curious to see that number in comparison. For example, I would imagine that of all elmentary-high school teachers, a vast majority are women. In other words, I would imagine that on average, women spend less time at work. In addition to techers (only work ~9 months a year) I think I've seen before studies that indicate women tend toward jobs that are more flexible, less overtime, less travel time, etc.
Based on that then, the time spent doing household chores should fall more on the person that isn't at work as much. If I get home right at 5 (which I do), and my wife doesn't get home until 6 (which she does), I would expect me to spend that hour doing household stuff so we can both be off after 6. (which I mostly do) I think it tends however to fall the other way, that women tend to be home (off work) sooner/more.
That's a guess on my part, but would certainly be pertinent to the discussion.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Gregory on 01:28 PM June 3rd, 2005 EST (#7)
|
|
|
|
|
In his book "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say" Warren farrell spends a good deal of time talking about the 50 contributions that husbands and fathers make to household maintenance that they often don't get credited for by feminists and the media. He also carefully points out the research methodology flaws made by Arlie Hochschild in her book "The Second Shift." Farrell discusses the greater hours of work and commuting time men spend compared to that of women and he goes over factual info like women's greater likelihood of working part-time or not at all outside the home. He refutes much of the feminist claptrap about women working two shifts to men's one.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
by Anonymous User on 11:30 AM June 5th, 2005 EST (#11)
|
|
|
|
|
Farrell has done a great job in two books, including his most recent, of debunking the feminist's distortions about "equal pay for equal work."
Basically he shows how women have exploited their greater range of choices with regard to work and lifestyle, i.e. work full-time, part-time, at home as a secondary income, stay-at-home mom, etc.
Single women who pursue full-time professional careers actually make MORE than men in equivalent positions.
The big dirty secret, of course, is that only the capture of a high-earning full-time worker/wage slave... i.e. A HUSBAND... guarantees women these choices.
As long as a woman marries (once, twice, or more?) she enjoys advantages that follow from her husband's willingness to work full-time until he's 65 and then die on schedule 7 years earlier than she will...
Ever notice how many rich old widows are driving around in upscale SUVs these days? They must all love off-roading in rugged terrain, right?
|
|
|
|
|
[an error occurred while processing this directive]
|
gilligan writes "Monster.com has added