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by bharati on 12:21 AM February 14th, 2005 EST (#1)
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The rates of sucide for married men increase by 50% after marriage and 10 times in case of divorce and separation but no such increments are found for women
the linkof this study is here
http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1821/18210960.htm
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by ArtflDgr on 10:15 AM February 14th, 2005 EST (#2)
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"While men make up most suicides, more women actually attempt to take their own lives."
So while the graph show these huge blue and red lines (blue is for boys, red/pink for girls), representing dead men...
they try to somehow succor us with the fact that women attempt to take their own lives...
either those greater numbers are representitive of someone whose real intention is not to commit suicide (so these in essence arent suicides, or even attempted suicides as the people never intend to die), or women are incompetant fuckups that cant even manage to kill themselves...
so what can be read from this? a larger proportion of women use something as serious as suicide to get attention to whatever personal cause they have (themselves, children etc). its a cry to improve their lives... and it often does improve it.
then there is the other stupidity...
"The IASP says this is largely because of the availability of guns."
the way this is couched people will read it that the suicides are a result of too many guns... not divorces, marraige problems, health, monetary, etc... nope.. just too many guns laying around.
of course they other thought that comes out of this is what goes through a suicidal mans thoughts.
oh woe is me... i will end it all... oh shucks there are no guns laying around.. i guess i will just have to give up on the idea of killing myself
this article also doesnt mention that cars and accidents are also ways in which men do this and secure money from insurance that they cant make for their family otherwise...
As far as the baltic problem... well i am latvian... the problem is NEVER stated as it really is.. the baltics were over run by russians after a large portion of the population fled and/or was sent to the taiga (siberia, and the gulag work camps)... so a large portion of the people their that call temselves latvians are not considered so by the people that have lived their for ages. there is a lot of resentment.. and there is a lot of poverty... the baltics were rich, and were siphoned by mother russia. now what is there is mostly russians and not latvians, lithuanians, and estonians... the immigrant russians who come to the vacation areas and cant survive probably make up a high portion of the suicides over resident latvians.. we will never know though...
Artfl Dgr
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by The_Beedle on 03:12 PM February 14th, 2005 EST (#4)
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I think there was a more subtle spin under the obvious one. First, the article explicitly showed that male suicide dwarfs female suicide, and then explained that the one place where female suicide is greater than male (China) it's due to a lack of sub-lethal doses of poison.
I think the underlying message was that men who commit suicide mean it, women who 'attempt' it don't. The inference I take from that is that there's a real problem for men, and a fake one for women.
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by ArtflDgr on 12:38 PM March 2nd, 2005 EST (#5)
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both problems are problems..
we are just hurting both sides by not treating them differently...
feminists cant see that several inputs can lead to the same output. treating male suicide the same as female suicide takes this 'equal=same' argument way too far..
as usual
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