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by Anonymous User on 12:10 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#1)
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Have you all ever noticed in the media that there are complaint after complaint about how women in TV and movies are "forced into a body image"? I hear actoresses, in particular moan about how WOMEN have to keep a trim figure in order to get work.
My question is; How many "SOAP OPERA HUNKS" have pot bellies acne and a comb over?????
What, men are NOT held to the EXACT SAME STANDARDS?? Well I have news for these whiney babes. Men ARE held to the same standard. They just don't go around "boo hoo-ing" about it.
And even if they did the media would of course supress it, as they do all men's issues.
So the above article doesn't suprise me at all, really.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 06:43 AM February 13th, 2005 EST (#5)
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Having lived in Taiwan for 20 years, I have noticed that traditional conceptions about body shape and appearence allow all Taiwanese, not only men but also women, to get a slight break about their looks. A number of not so trendy physical caracteristics, like a fatter body or hairy legs for women,for instance, are considered tokens of health,luck and prosperity. While there is much pressure in the medias to get a trendy body, people who don't make it don't have it so hard.
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by Anonymous User on 11:40 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#2)
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I think there are men's issues that are MUCH more important. I applaud this story was pointed out, cuz it is valid. But I think in terms of "are women treated better in this category?" (the answer is a resounding NO)... Therefore this topic is not quite such a big priority.
Once again, it is a VERY important topic! But I think we need to prioritize the biggest issues, keep in mind.
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by B_Riddick on 03:25 PM February 9th, 2005 EST (#3)
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You say that women aren't treated better in this category, but that just isn't true.
Ever hear terms like "BBW"(Big Beautiful Woman), "rubenesque", "plus-size woman", "voluptuous" (this last is different in that it is more of a term that is now used improperly very often to describe women who are simply fat, often by the women themsleves, when its meaning is a bit different from that).
These are euphemisms that women get to use when describing themselves, and being referred to by others, when they are overweight or fat. Ever see a personals site and checked out ads from women? They all use these words to avoid saying "overweight" or "fat".
Men have no such established recourse. A fat guy is a fat guy, and any euphemisms used to describe him are insulting in nature (such as "pig"). There is also no mentality which encourages women to see overweight guys as being attractive people in their own way, whereas men are constantly being reminded that "large women can be sexy too" (I'm not saying they can't be, just making the point that men don't have the luxury of being seen in a more favorable light). "All women are beatiful in their own way (BBW)....blah blah blah".
I frequently see overweight, unattractive women going out with normal-looking guys, yet I don't see much of the reverse, and when I did, it turned out that the guys in question (whom I knew personally) were in a local band.
I have had very frank discussions with women who were quite fat, and not attractive at all, yet who were highly sexually active, and got it whenever they wanted. One that I spoke to, a 28-year-old, said she had fulfilled pretty much every sexual fantasy she'd ever had except one that required a lot of money, and she expected to do that at some point in the future.
Known any non-celebrity non-band-member overweight guys who had it that easy with women? I doubt it. There is a huge difference in experiences between the genders on the weight issue alone. We're taught that women are wonderful no matter what....they're taught that we're all scum, and they deserve better, no matter what.
Body image and the like may not be the biggest issue around, but it's a problem for a lot of people, and is another example of male sexuality being repressed (overweight women can explore and indulge their sexuality; overweight men can't).
Women are treated as badly on this issue? I don't think so. Glamour magazines aside, in practice women have it WAY better in that department.
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by Anonymous User on 03:26 PM February 12th, 2005 EST (#4)
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I think you are out of hand here. Like I said, of course men have a hard time with this issue, but seriously, in terms of the male body being objectified and idealized in popular culture, we are still puritanical about men's bodies. The physical beauty of a man's body is still not a big factor in a man' s appeal. But you see objectified/idealized women EVERYWHERE. The whole "big is beautiful" thing? That's a chant woman say to themselves to feel better. Men rarely buy it. Where do you see fat women with good looking guys? I don't . It's usually the other way around. Men are extremely visual, therefore women's body images are a much bigger issue than men, because women aren't as visual. Not to make a generalization, but it is a biological truth. I think you're just another rabid men's activist. I am not trying to support women here, I have as much of a beef with men's suffering as anyone else on this site.
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