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by Anonymous User on 06:33 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#1)
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Iran is not the direct inverse of developed countries. Its misogyny is much greater than Western misandry. As you must have read in the article, women in court count as HALF a witness. Iranian women need permission from their husbands to get a passport, and it is nearly impossible for them to get a divorce. Men need do little more than say "I divorce thee" three times.
It is not like that in all Muslim countries. Jordan, Kuwait, Turkey and maybe Pakistan are about equal to Western nations in sexism. But when looking at countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia, it shouldn't be difficult to notice the difference in degree.
-Harq al-Ada
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by Luek on 07:01 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#2)
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Gee, I didn't realize men had it so good here.
Could have fooled me!
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by Anonymous User on 07:43 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#3)
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I didn't say men had it good here. Again, it is a matter of degree. I understand that that idea doesn't fit into a black-and-white universe. If you suffer from a condition that polarizes your vision that way, then I pity you.
-Harq al-Ada
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by Dittohd on 09:50 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#5)
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>Iranian women need permission from their husbands to get a passport
Here in the states, men have to go to court to get permission to restrict women, after a divorce, from taking their children thousands of miles from the father, even when it's to another country. If the judge agrees that the woman's "freedom" should not be restricted and gives no weight to the child's need for their father in their life and vice versa, the man has no recourse.
Sounds to me like the Iranians are much SMARTER in this area too. But of course, you think women have it WORSE in Iran than we men do here, so why are we complaining?
It appears to me that you've been brainwashed by the feminazis, just like so many other men here in the states. But don't worry, there's a cure. Just keep reading all the postings to this website and get yourself educated. But you'll have to be patient. It may take a long time depending on how deep, in your case, the feminazi brainwashing is.
Dittohd
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by Anonymous User on 10:48 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#8)
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The one-half witness thing applies to all violent crime, not just domestic violence. And the passport restriction does not depend on there being children. In a childless marriage the man can still restrict his wife's travel.
Another thing: in a population that was, before the 1979 revolution, quite used to women showing their hair and faces, Ayatollah Khomeini's government made it illegal for them to continue to do so. This would be akin to a Mormon revolution in Utah preceding a law that made it illegal for women to wear sleeveless shirts in public.
-Harq al-Ada
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by Anonymous User on 11:10 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#9)
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I don't live in Iran. I'm a man living in the U.S. While a care about the plight of Iranian women, I'm a lot less certainty about what I understand about life as an Iranian woman than what I understand about life as an American man.
In a lot of matters here in American I count for less than one fourth of a woman. But at least here in American ordinary people have a better chance to overthrow oppressive rulers. That's what we're trying to do. Defeat the feminazis!
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by Luek on 10:45 PM February 7th, 2005 EST (#7)
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Well, sometimes I just get carried away over this misandric culture we live in. I guess it polarized my vision as you say.
But somehow things like Derrick Miller of California blowing his brains out on the courthouse steps because he had to pay 80% of his income in support makes me uneasy.
Prostate cancer kills just as many men as breast cancer kills women each year but prostate research only gets around 10% of the funding; sort of bothers me.
Even a married woman can accuse a man of rape and her word is always taken as what happened and if a crime had been committed. Same as with domestic violence of course. All those men being released from prison on DNA analysis after years of being incarcerated over phony rape charges catches my attention.
If a man gets divorced in this country, and elsewhere in the Western cultures, 90% of the time his children will be taken away from him and custody given to his wife exclusively even though he may be the better parent. Not to mention most of his property, income for maybe even decades, and if he the misfortune to lose his job and can't make payments of support he has a high probability of actually going to state or Federal prison for years. Of course, things like this causes me some concern.
And in this culture women married or not can terminate a pregnancy at a whim to avoid unwanted motherhood but the man can't avoid unwanted fatherhood if the female decides he will have to pay support for the bastard, thus serving as her meal ticket for 18 years. This really polarizes my vision!
These of course are only a few problems men have his this misandry driven culture.
Women in Iran have it better than men do here!
Polarized vision! ..........Pptttff!!!!
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by Anonymous User on 12:50 AM February 8th, 2005 EST (#10)
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I always appreciate such a sincere apology.
I'm glad that you agree with me then. And I'm sure when you talked about custody, you were going to mention that in Iran, if the father is unable or unfit to care for his child, custody goes to HIS father rather than to his ex-wife. Speaking of fathers, after the woman is divorced, she can look forward to not being told if she can leave the country (such as to go to school abroad) by her husband. Now her father is her legal guardian again. When this transition occurs, it is almost always on the husband's terms becaues of the comparative ease with which he can initiate a divorce.
But things might be moving forward. They've reduced the age of consent (just for women!) from thirteen to nine, making many a girl's dream come true: be married before puberty. And there is little chance of any of these laws not failing to be upheld in court. Women are not allowed to be judges.
-Harq al-Ada
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by Luek on 02:02 AM February 8th, 2005 EST (#11)
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I don't know if you have noticed or not but the name of this site is MENSACTIVISM.ORG not IranianWomen's.org.
If I have any interest in the situation of women in Iran or elsewhere is only passing.
I am totally focused on the oppression men suffer in this socalled "free" country.
And I don't see any UN Commission on Men coming to our cause!
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by Anonymous User on 08:22 AM February 8th, 2005 EST (#12)
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Men's activism is fine, and certainly relevant in the West. It is fine to be focused on it. So in the name of that focus, don't make inane comparisons to begin with.
I agree that a UN Commission on men would be useful and necessary. Unfortunately, the most powerful UN nations get to decide how to spend the UN's resources, and most of those have some degree of misandry. Rich countries, like rich people, can get away with anything because they make the rules.
-Harq al-Ada
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by Agraitear on 09:41 AM February 8th, 2005 EST (#13)
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And once again, if men DARE to make any comparison between our problems and women's problems, anywhere, someone comes along to "set us straight" on how easy we actually have it.
Here is the point being made as I see it: Women in another country warrant more attention than men suffering in the USA itself. Why, because we are men.
My take on what was said here: Gee some of the stuff happening to women in Iran is remarkably similar to things happening to men here in the USA, but men's problems are ignored, again.
But not suprisingly someone tries to shame us into silence and marginalze us with the "horrible" plight of much more important "WOMEN."
I say, it won't wash here.
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by Anonymous User on 10:53 AM February 8th, 2005 EST (#14)
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My point was not that women elsewhere deserve more attention than men do here. After all, this is an English language, presummably western-oriented site. Like I said, Men's activism is a worthy cause, and focusing on it is fine. I also said that there should be international acknowledgement of men's issues. The original posting brought up Iran, not me.
-Harq al-Ada
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by n.j. on 09:09 PM February 8th, 2005 EST (#15)
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What about men's rights there to keep their body in one piece? Who's talking about that?
Why are there no studies to investigate into a possible link between genital mutilation (this is done there at the age of 5, as far as I know) and violence in later life? Why am I even asking this..
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Luek writes "
What makes