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"Perhaps men will learn to compromise and share the inconviences and health risks....."
Typical Radical-Femspeak. If women are suffering, men must also suffer in order to know what it's like to be a poor, poor woman living in a Man's World. Can we say 'bullshit', audience members?
Good I knew could!!!
The article invokes the cliche Feministic-Victimology concerning women's so called 'health issues'. It was the Feminists who wanted all of this birth control stuff and now they don't want it any more because it means inconvience and responsibility for their actions. And feminists don't want responsibility, feminists want absolute power and the right to tyrranize men (and anti-feminist women like me).
To me it seems that some women are finally starting to learn that 'taking charge' isn't all that it's cracked up to be. Because it means being responsible, a word not found in the Radical-Femspeak dictionary.
The subliminal sadomasochistic message within the article--the longing for males to suffer even MORE health problems--is soaked in misandry and contempt for the Male sexuality. Sexually active women just can't believe that the burden of sex IS on them (women) the most. It sucks knowing that you can get pregnant and ruin your body, but you know what, that's what you get for deciding to become sexually active. It's called *RESPONSIBILITY!!!** TRY ACTING LIKE IT SOMETIMES AND FACE THE SIDE-EFFECTS OF BIRTH CONTROL LIKE AN ADULT!!!!
A radical concept that most women here in the Western World don't seem to understand. I must be one of the few that gets it.
Oh but here's a way to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STD's ladies, I've been doing this method for nineteen years (my whole life).....KEEPING YOUR LEGS CLOSED AND REFRAMING FROM ALL KINDS OF SEXUAL ACTIVITY!!!!! (I've never been on birth-control, why would I if I'm not sexually active)
What a surprise, IT WORKS!!!!! And there's no weight gain, acne, boob problems, or risks for cancer. And there's no prescription needed! It's so cheap too!
Try it, rather than acting like immature children refusing to take any responsibility for your actions. Grow up my Western World Sisters!!! Men have had the responsibility burden for CENTURIES!!! Time to act like we really want TRUE equality and just face the fact that most of the birth-control issue *IS* on us. It's called life, deal with it.
Oh but what a great foundation for a relationship, mutual biological suffering. Or perhaps it's just the Male suffering even *MORE* (if that's even possible). So loving and romantic isn't it? A Feministic version of romance.
I'll just get my tubes cut and tied off, and sell my eggs. No weird biological side-effects with that (but I have been told I won't be able to walk for a few hours after the surgery to cut and tie off my tubes).
PS: Are vasectomies reversable? I saw a billboard advertising surgery to reverse vasectomies while driving to my college. Are there any side-effects to vasectomies other than no sperm being released? Just curious.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Vasectomies can be reversed, Thea. The efficacy is only about 50% though. Not really worth the risk and discomfort of surgery. Victimology aside, I'd be down with a male contraceptive pill. I do happen to think that a guy taking the same or similar risks towards hormonal treatments to prevent unwanted pregnancies that women do is fair. The last intimate partner I had (MANY years ago) hated condoms and did not want to be on the pill. That pretty much left rhythm method and withdrawal techniques. In retrospect, I wonder how I could have been so stupid and ruled by my libido to go along with it for so long. I am only grateful that she never got pregnant during the time that we were together. If I had the pill back then, I could have done away with a lot of anxiety and moments-later regret that resulted from every intimate encounter.
If we can ignore the misandrist speech of this article, I think that it would be a great boon to men's rights in terms of reproductive freedom. Granted, it probably wouldn't be as reliable as the woman's version of the pill, but what contraceptive practice is 100% effective, aside from abstinence? I believe firmly that it would give us men a choice we haven't had before.
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by Anonymous User on 04:08 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#3)
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I thought I was the only nineteen-year-old virgin on Earth.
I understand your desire to sterilize yourself, as being a lawyer is hardly condusive to raising children. However, you might consider having a stay-at-home guy or one who works part time. I hope that if you go through with the tube-tie thing you don't regret it later.
I agree with what you are saying about the article; as Spider-Man's uncle said, "with great power comes great responsibilty." Since women have the vast majority of the reproductive ability, they should have the majority of the responsibility.
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PS: Are vasectomies reversable? I saw a billboard advertising surgery to reverse vasectomies while driving to my college. Are there any side-effects to vasectomies other than no sperm being released? Just curious.
Out of curiousity, I checked one of these microsurgical reversal websites. They claimed that the success rate for reversal is highest at the 1 year mark (80%) and lowest at the 5 year mark (10%). These stats are from memory.
Microsurgical reversal is also expensive. Needle extraction (ouch!) is an alternative to microsurgical reversal.
The typical side effects for vasectomies are: Pain from the surgery (about 1 week), swollen testicles (about 1 week), erectile disfunction/decreased sexual desire (4 cases out of 1000).
Years ago I mused that if men really did want choice that they should put sperm samples on ice and then have that vasectomy...
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Alex Mar says: "Maybe young men might even start viewing sex in a more serious, responsible light."
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This is the typical way feminists think of men, men are not serious and responsible about sex. Give me a dollar for every women who is not serious and responsible and I will be richer than Bill Gates.
Having a serious and responsible view is a matter of character and attitude, I don't believe a pill can do something about that.
Bert
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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There are a couple of issues regarding vasectomies...
First is paternity fraud. With the 30% paternity fraud rate, the doctors all want a wives permission before they will give a vasectomy. Most doctors will not give a vasectomy unless the man is married and already has 3-4 kids.
Second, yes they are reversable, but the conventional wisdom seems to be, consider it a permanent procedure. There is the option of sperm banking, however sperm banks have a (WHA?!?!?) 3% cross contamination rate. IMO a sperm banking has inherent shortcomings.
Finally, it is my experience, however limited, that a vasectomy is probably the end of a marriage. Women seem to leave men who can no longer be fathers. It seems like the stress of potential childbirth has to be there for the relationship to continue to be a success. Women are much more... complex, than men on reproductive issues. Basically, if the modern woman is not in charge of fertility, the man has too much "control" and they can't deal with it. I don't get it at all...
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First is paternity fraud. With the 30% paternity fraud rate, the doctors all want a wives permission before they will give a vasectomy. Most doctors will not give a vasectomy unless the man is married and already has 3-4 kids.
WTF??? Is this really true, that a man must have the permission of a woman (wife) to get a vasectomy?
What if I as a single man want to get a vasectomy? Do I have to bring a note from my mother???
Thanks for the head's up. I'm aiming to get a vasectomy "real soon now" -- as soon as I get stable employment...
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by Anonymous User on 09:03 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#10)
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I don't know what the facts are in the rest of the country, but in MA a husband can get a vasectomy without prior knowledge or permission from his wife. It's supposedly held to the same standard of a wife getting an abortion without having to inform or get permission from the husband.
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Um, thats a bad idea. A lot of men are turning up with helth problems related to vasectomy. It has a name, its called Post Vasectomy Pain Syndrom. Basically you feel like you just got kicked in the groin all the time. Also there are some cases of autoimmune responses to vasectomies resulting in death...
Also, I still contend, my experience is, most doctors will not give a vasectomy unless you are married and already have a bunch of kids. A note from your mom won't cut it. (ewwww no pun intended)
It is not a simple reversable procedure, dont think of it lightly.
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by Anonymous User on 10:04 AM October 6th, 2004 EST (#12)
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There is also a much higher risk of heart disease and other vascular diseases with a vasectomy. However with all the rush to get all men vasectomized you won't see nary a mention of this in any women or mens magazine.
Also in most states if it is already not law, womens groups are pushing for disclosure or the right to veto/know if their husband is getting a vasectomy.
Did you ever really wonder what happened to? "It's my body when it applied to men"
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Also in most states if it is already not law, womens groups are pushing for disclosure or the right to veto/know if their husband is getting a vasectomy.
Do you have a source for this claim? Can you name any states that have such laws?
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by Anonymous User on 02:05 AM October 7th, 2004 EST (#14)
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http://www.who.int/reproductive-health/publication s/FPP_94_3/FPP_94_3_chapter3.en.html
"After counselling and careful consideration, a man may decide that a vasectomy is the right choice for him. Often he will be asked to sign an informed consent form indicating that he has made an informed and free choice. In many countries, a client's signature on an informed consent form provides legal authorization for the operation. (Often a spouse's signature is also required.) "
FWIW the law journals are full of failure to disclose and damaged goods lawsuits over spouses who underwent vasectomies or the female birth control equivilents.
Any web search on vasectomy and spouse consent will also bring up lots of hits on the issue.
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I've done the search...
While many health care providers will tell you that they need spousal or parental consent, nowhere is it mandated by law. The spousal consent is there to prevent wives from flying off the handle and trying to sue the clinic or physician purely out of emotional reasons. One still has the right to say 'no' to the spousal consent and the worst that can happen is that you'd have to find another physician to do the procedure.
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This sort of self-righteous excrement never fails to get a chuckle out of me.
Inconvenience? Does the author think that being the husband of a pregnant wife is convenient? Mood swings, hormones, sicknees... much of it directed at the nearest convenient target (YOU). Does she think that a few stretch marks or the occasional bout of constipation entitles women to some official "pregnant victim" plaque? Inconvenience bullshit!... Maybe I should talk about the midnight runs to Burger King, or the Ice Cream Parlor, or the Pizza Joint to pick up a craved snack... I could claim that all those things were inconvenient, but I wouldn't have done it any differently. They weren't 'inconvenient' to me, and being pregnant wasn't 'inconvenient' for Jen, we both thoroughly enjoyed the experience. The fact of the matter is that 'inconvenience' is strictly a matter of opinion, and I think the author is either a whiner or someone who really should avoid getting pregnant, dog knows we wouldn't want her to be inconvenienced.
How about risk? How about worrying about supporting a family instead of just yourself? No doubt the idiot assumes that since men are such cads we don't think about such things. How about worrying about the fact that at any point your wife could decide you're no good and walk out, taking your children with you. Again... since we all abandon our families at the drop of a hat, it must mean we just don't face any risks there either. How about teens who see their lives pass before their eyes when a girl they THOUGHT was on the pill tells him she's pregnant, no risk there eh?
LOL... sometimes such towering self centered ignorance annoyes me... but for the most part I think it's pretty darn funny.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on 03:10 PM October 8th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Vasectomies can in some circumstances be reversed. Within one or two years of the vasectomy, success rates are fairly good (in the 80 % range). Beyond three years or so after the vasectomy, the success rates for reversal are fairly dismal (less than 50 %, probably as low as 20 %).
The reason is that once a vasectomy is performed, there is no place for the sperm and seretions from the testes to go. They accumlate in the vas and structures around the testes, eventually causing miniscule ruptures that become inflamed and scar over. So, within a few years after the vasectomy, chances are there will be too much scarring along the length of the vas deferens and in the tubules next to the testes for sperm to make their way to the seminal vesicles, even if the vas deference is reconnected.
The surgeries require microscopes because the vas is so small, and are very expensive also.
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"So called "child support" laws punish men even for "unplanned parenthood" and place a huge burden on male sexuality.
To the anonymous user that posted this article, your statement is true. But child support is hardly the whole story or the worst of the story. Personally, I would gladly pay whatever it took to actually be treated like a parent rather than a “visitor”.
I had been dating a woman for some time and we agreed that we weren’t really right for each other permanently and the relationship was very near its end. This woman desperately wanted a child (I found out later, she had never let on at all) and was willing to do whatever it took to get what she wanted. Yeah, you guessed it, “Don’t worry I’m still on the pill”. She didn’t even claim it was an accident or make excuses. Once she’s pregnant there’s no need to lie anymore.
I’d give anything to have as much influence on my daughter as the sleazy con artist that overwhelmingly dominates her life. The corrupt legislature and courts are there to assure that psycho-mom’s rewarded for her fraud.
Anyone that’s been there knows that child support is just salt in the wound.
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