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by Anonymous User on 04:52 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#1)
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...is what I USUALLY say when I see something like that; ...'the hell...?
That sounds like a "pro-African-American" group headed by members of the KKK...!
It doesn't jibe.
It seems like it's a cover for creating more wussy-poopie-fied males, under the desguise of "men's rights".
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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"Challenging traditional masculinity....."
Hmmmm? Sounds familiar doesn't it.
Now I'm against old rich men (and even women, Helen of Troy, Elizabeth I, Cleopatra, Queen Anne, Catherine the Great, Margarat Thatcher are women who started wars) starting wars and sending fathers, brothers, and innocent men to die in wars based on someone's bloated ego (ie: Bush's vendetta against Hussein), but that's NOT a "traditional" masculinity issue.
It's a psychotic-megalomania issue that can apply to BOTH genders. Violence and hate knows NO gender/sex.
This "pro-Mens" group is the cliche of "fearing Greeks bearing gifts" scenario. The website goes on and on about pushing for more women's equality and denouncing rape and discrimination (it's a cold day in hell if a woman is "discriminated" against here in the Western World), and they say they want to address Men's struggle with traditional masculinity.
WTF?!!!!!!! Well lookie here it sounds like another group of Women trying to dupe men into believing that they give half-a-shit about Men's Issues.
Traditional Masculinity and testosterone does NOT contribute to wars, violence, and evil! Megalomania, psychosis, and bloated egos (things that know NO gender/sex)are what contribute to all of the violence in the world! Anyone, regardless of gender/sex, can "flip-out" and start a war, commit a crime, and instigate violence!
Psychos (regardless of gender/sex) are the violent people who need to be changed. NOT MEN!!!
Sure there were a couple of historical men who enjoyed war, violence, and tyrrany, but it was because they were *PSYCHOTIC*!!!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And should Hilary Clinton [God forbid this] becomes president, she will turn into a Dictatrix (female dictator), because that woman *IS* psychotic! She has the potential of becoming a tyrant because she's psychotic. Violence is due to Psychosis, NOT sex.
Traditional Masculinity is good, psychosis is BAD!!! Which is why people should NOT allow psycho-megalomaniacs to come into power. Back in the days of absolute monarchies the people didn't have a choice, hence why so many men and women who should NOT have been in power were.
These feminists forget that it was traditional masculinity that made innocent men serving their commander and chief go and die in a war so that they (women) stay back home, and not have their leg blown off.
It was traditional masculinity that drove geniuses to invent all of the wonderful technology and medicine that we take for granted today.
Okay NOMAS dipshits, allow me to explain *REAL* Men's Issues: forced child-support for kids not belonging to him, paternity fraud, the divorce industry, discrimination in the realms of the academia, health community, office, courts, marriage, domestic violence, false accusations, and exercises in free-speech and free-press.
Those are *REAL* men's issues dumbasses. Destroying the male identity will NOT improve Men's lives, it will only ruin them. It's a form of censorship and biogtry to annihilate the male identity.
Masculinity did NOT and does NOT cause the world's problems. Megalomania and psyhosis which is capable among both genders/sexes is the cause of the world's problems.
And as we are witnessing with Feminism, megalomania, tyrrany, and psychosis is VERY capable among women.
I fear Feminists bearing "gifts".
But I do think that it is a good thing that hetero and gay men learn to get along. All men should be united under one banner and that's the Men's Rights Revolution.
Gay men are being oppressed by Feminism too. Feminists are only tolerant and good-natured to gay men who are effeminate and pro-feminist. Masculine Gay Men are a Feminist worst nightmare.
After all, in anciet Greece, Gay men were masculine and shared a societal bond with ALL men regardless of sexual orientation. They encouraged and institutionalized brotherhood among all men regardless of being hetero or gay.
If all men were united regardless of sexual orientation and were united in Brotherhood, feminism would NOT exist. And it sure as hell didn't in anciet Greece; the most enlightened and most intelligent civilization in history.
Minus the pedophilia part of anciet Greece but we have laws against that now =)
But as for NOMAS, I'm VERY weary. I smell feminist bullshit. But I could be wrong.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 06:44 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#3)
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From the website:
"As an organization committed to changing men,..."
and,
"Whatever psychological burdens men have to overcome, women are still the most universal and direct victims of our patriarchy."
This is no men's rights website. This is simply another vehicle for feminist propaganda and hate. The only difference is that, unlike NOW, which teaches women to hate men, this site teaches men to hate themselves.
-h
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by Anonymous User on 07:21 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#4)
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It is not manly to support abuse, or to see abuse as manly or sexy. I am fed up with the way lods of men proclaim they are being manly to support abuse. Then the women who support abuse proclaim themselves as celver and witty for supporting abuse.
www.netwebresearch.com/servicesview
No offensce but loads of these orgs to attract wife beaters, this site must stand against abuse, and don't manipulate what i have said.
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by Anonymous User on 07:34 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#5)
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You must write something coherent before it can be manipulated.
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by Anonymous User on 08:21 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#6)
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"this site must stand against abuse,"
I stand against all the man-hating abuse started and spread by radical/gender feminist women's studies programs, women's commissions, etc. so how dare you come on this site and lecture the good people here. We know where the hate starts, and until the radical/gender feminist hate movement stops lying about things like domestic violence we need to work extra hard to make sure get the true message of how the radical/gender feminist hate monger bigots are targeting them with all of there hateful prejudice and worse.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 03:27 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#23)
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Yes.
What Ray said.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:33 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#8)
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"This is no men's rights website. This is simply another vehicle for feminist propaganda and hate. The only difference is that, unlike NOW, which teaches women to hate men, this site teaches men to hate themselves."
I couldn't have said it better myself. That group is nothing more than a radical/gender feminist re-education camp like the kind the commies have been running for decades to brainwash the citizens of coutries they overrun.
Here's something I'd recommend wearing to any femi-supremacist re-education camp meeting,
(click) We don't subscribe
Please do not scroll up the page all the info I'm trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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As I said in my first post, I do not hate women. And if it ever happens to me, seeing a guy raping a woman or a child, I will be the first one to kick that guy's ass. I want to make that clear.
What I do hate is radical feminism, telling me that I am evil just because I was born as a male. What makes me sick is the fact that there is a worldwide movement trying to change my personality because they feel threatened by my masculinity.
I read a few lines on the NOMAS website and all I can see is that their only purpose is, change men into submissive pussy wusssies. So in my opinion NOMAS has nothing to do with mens's rights.
Like I would kick a rapist's ass, I will kick every feminist's ass who wants to take my right to be a man. Let that be clear too.
Bert
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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Bert, there are plenty of radical feminists on my campus. Feel free to come here and whoop their asses! I won't tell! It can be our little secret.
Besides some of the radical feminists who are lesbians here on campus are sexually harassing us hetero-girls and there's nothing we can do about it because we'll be called homophobic and hostile towards lesbian-feminists by the university's administration.
And you know what happens to those the status-quo labels to be homophobic and anti-feminist.
I have *NO* problems with homosexuals, but I won't let a lesbian make unwanted and sexually-vulgar advances towards me.
But Hetero-Men and Gay Men, *UNITE* against Feminazism!!!
Campus politics are the most fascist in all of existence! I feel like I'm a Gentile living in the Third Reich and watching the Jews being persecuted. But here on campus, I am a woman watching my Male friends being persecuted all because they have penises and testicles.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 06:53 AM October 4th, 2004 EST (#13)
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"Besides some of the radical feminists who are lesbians here on campus are sexually harassing us hetero-girls and there's nothing we can do about it because we'll be called homophobic and hostile towards lesbian-feminists by the university's administration."
It's the same where I work. Daphn Patai writes in her book, Heterophobia about the sexual harassment of women students by the radical/gender feminist instructors. As you say the poliitically correct bigots who are the administration of our colleges just turn there head when homosexuals sexually harass heterosexuals, yet at the slightest infraction they will ruin the career and life of a heterosexual men.
Just one more example showing how radical/gender feminism is a hate movement targeting men.
Ray
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As Patai and Hoff Sommers point out, radical lesbian feminists consider it a political duty to 'convert' as many women as possible to lesbianism. So sexual harassment is a good thing if feminists are doing it.
Lesbianism is considered to be the highest form of existence. By whom? Radical lesbians of course. It's interesting to note that in the Nazi period, Germans considered themselves to be the highest form of existence as well.
Don't get mad. Get organised.
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by Anonymous User on 04:01 PM October 5th, 2004 EST (#33)
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It's interesting isnt it? That those who beleive themselves to be at the highest are uually at the LOWEST.
The Nazis AND the feminists are exellent examples of this.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:53 AM October 6th, 2004 EST (#37)
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"Usualy at the lowest", not "uualy at the lowest". Messed up there, sorry.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Ms. Thea, that would be something, you and I having that kind of little secret. If I ever visit the US, I will give you a call. ;-)
Just like you I don't have any problems with homosexuals. I have a few friends who are gay, but none of them ever sexually harassed me. They know I am hetero sexual and they respect that. I even have two lady friends, a lesbian couple, who are not into feminism. They believe that feminism does harm them as well, because feminism is known as a radical and discriminating movement and these two ladies are definly not.
I never realized how bad things are on campus in the US. Reading your posts I can imagin that it sometimes must be hard for you, being an anti-feminist among those dykes. On the other hand, I have the feeling that you are a strong independent and self-assured woman, you know how to stand them.
About penises and testicles, you know what they say about feminists and penis-envy. I for my part think that's one of their main reasons for hating men. Why else would most of them like to play with strap-on dildos?
Bert
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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Penis Envy? Damn right! Thank you Freud!
I think all of this feminist anger toward males in general is based off of the fact that men are free from pregnancy, menstration, menopause, lactation, and PMS. (aka: Bitch Syndrome, hell I'll admit it I'm like that sometimes, stupid estrogen!)
Though men in the Western World are given a bill to pay for 18+ years for an unwanted pregnancy--hence why I'm Pro-Abortion/Choice Rights for Men--and Men's Health issues are ignored in order to please the feminist demands for more Women's Health Care.
Nothing would make me happier than to be free from my from all of the biological chaos caused by my uteruses and ovaries. But I do *NOT* want male sexual/reproductive organs. I don't want reproductive/procreation organs period. But I would like to keep my sex organs that have no play in reproduction. Take the uterus and ovaries and leave the rest I say.
But that would mean I would have to take hormone replacement medicine due to the lack of ovaries. Oh hell I'll just sell all of my eggs when I'm 22, so I can pay for Law School. I'm nineteen now, so I three years left.
Sorry for the graphic and even vulgar post but you're right Bert, about the penis envy. If they hate phallic symbols so much why do they use dildoes? They're VERY phallic in appearance. Some people just won't admit the truth. How pathetic.
Point is, NOMAS is about Men hating themselves so much that they will become apologists, docile, feeble, and submissive to tyrrany.
Masculinity is what drives Men to be productive, happy, wise, and strong members of society.
Modern civilization would not exist had it not been for a masculine man wanting to engineer and harness the power of new technology and science.
The Enlightenment Era would not have existed had it not been for men driven by their masculinity to pursue higher and more analytical thinking.
We owe a lot to the original concept of Masculinity. "New Age Masculinity" (aka: the Feminist construct of Masculinity) has NOT given us a damn thing that's productive or enlightening in the least.
Fuck "New Age Masculinity"! Give us back the original and *REAL* Masculinity! The radical feminists can shove that New Age Masculinity up their asses--or their vaginas since they're desperate for dildoes. *PATHETIC!!!*
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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I'm such a bad typists. Sorry for the errors.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Thea wrote: "Masculinity is what drives Men to be productive, happy, wise, and strong members of society."
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Let's not forget the ability to protect wife and children against danger. I doubt that these pussy wussies are able to protect their wifes and children(if they have wife and children) Imagin, a 6 foot burglar confronted with an effeminated poopsy, what do you think will happen? I would rather think the poopsy will offer a blowjob for not being hurt.
Bert
P.S. No need to apologize for being graphic and vulgar, I do the same. ;-)
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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by Anonymous User on 03:35 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#24)
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Thea, Bert!
Stop it, you're killing me!
LOL!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Hell no, I don't want to kill anybody Thundercloud. So I promise to behave myself next time. ;-)
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Fighting for men's rights is fighting for children's and women's right's as well.
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by Anonymous User on 12:52 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#22)
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"Why else would most of them like to play with strap-on dildos?"
SATIRE
They see penises. They're everywhere.
the Washington monument
Elephant turnks
Rhino tusks
booster rockets,
power tools
Unicorns,
etc.
Oh my goodness the phallo-centrism is everywhere. Let us outlaw from all college curriculum all symbols that might possibly be construed to even remotely be phallo-centric. Anything even remotely phallic is all a male conspiracy meant to oppress women and exercise power and control over them.
Through dildo empowerment exercises women can finally take back the power and control that men have weilded over them for centuries. Women of world, strap on your dildos and rise up, your moment of liberation is at hand!
Yikes, they're all dykes!
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by Anonymous User on 03:50 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#25)
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And don't forget WINTER!
It's sexist towards women with phallic symbols, too.
Lots of icicicles, then.
Oh, yeah, and CAVES. What with all those stalagtites and stalgmites and stuff.
Oh, and tooth picks.
And straws, bolts, sticks, trees, tooth brushes, telescopes, fingers, toes, bottles, two-by-fours, skis, ski poles, microscopes, door nobs, flag poles, fire hoses, fire hydrants, Brabara Streisand's nose, sticker bushes, Iggy Pop, the wind, Milk of Magnesia...,
Oh hell, it'd take less time to type the things feminmists DON'T think are phallic symbols...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I recently went onto the 'Independent Women's Forum' (IWF) website after I heard a couple radical feminists here on campus call the IWF misogynistic.
Here are the claims of IWF:
Women should have freedom of choice but should take EQAUL RESPONSIBILITY for them. Men and Women are inherently different due to biology and psychology. There's NOTHING wrong with the Masculine Gender Indentity. Title IX must be reformed. College campuses must be taken back away from the radical feminists. If women want to be equal with men then they had better work their ass off like a man and NOT complain about being "oppressed".
They even pushing for more college admissions for Male students and even allude to the idea of a Male Affirmative Action campaign in the academia.
Check out the Independent Women's Forum website sometime and give me your two-cents on it. I sent them an email concerning their campaign to free female college students like myself from the radical feminist propaganda machine and censorship.
Their main message is that if women want equality then they had better accept EQAUL RESPONSIBILITY and EQUAL WORK!!! NO SPECIAL TREATMENT!!!
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 08:59 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#29)
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"Check out the Independent Women's Forum website sometime and give me your two-cents on it. I sent them an email concerning their campaign to free female college students like myself from the radical feminist propaganda machine and censorship."
They tend to follow a conservative ideological line, but I think their more traditional take on womanhood is far healthier than the radical/gender feminist agenda. Some of the women who are affiliated with their group are Christina Hoff-Sommers (Who Stole Feminism & The War on Boys), Christine Stolba, (A Room of Their Own & The Feminist Dilemma), Nancy Pfotenhauer, Carrie Lukus and others.
I like them because they intelligently and adamantly oppose standard radical/gender feminist women's studies propaganda.
One time they even posted (on their web site) criticisms that folks on Mensactivism had on an issue. I think we were disagreeing on some point.
They did not take down our comments and posted many comments that we made. I respect them because they were at least open to entertain other viewpoints. Overall I find a lot more common ground with them than I do with radical/gender feminists.
They tend to have their base on the East coast, although I know they've had guest lecturer(s) on a college campus in Arizona. I wish they'd set up shop on the West coast and start visiting our hard core radical/gender feminist campuses.
Some Mensactivism guys will probably be upset with me, but I'm a supporter of IWF, and I'm on their mailing list.
I also contributed to the Concerned Women for America group after they took on the National Organization for Women (NOW) at the U.N. and really gave them the 3rd degree on their agenda. I've never seen anyone do to NOW what they did. I was elated for days. They are a Christian group with Beverly Lahay as their leader and have a very conservative, very traditional, very Christian agenda. I don't know of any other women's groups that actively oppose the radical/gender feminist agenda, but would be interested in them if you know of any. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 08:25 PM October 3rd, 2004 EST (#7)
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The group is started by a bunch of unattractive wimp men who learned from an early age that the only way they could get laid is by prostrating themselves.
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Meah, just another badly named feminist organization.
Some other real men's issues: Disparate sentencing - and the gap is huge, disparate treatment by law enforcement, prison rape, discrimination in housing & hiring practices & educational opportunities, selective servicem a rampant discrimination campaign in the media...
We live in a system with two standards of accountability, and you can look around & see it with your own eyes.
Freedom Is Merely Privilege Extended Unless Enjoyed By One & All.
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I could not agree more. When I graduated from Florida State with an accounting degree in 1979, the only job I could find was with the federal government. the only reason I landed that job was because I had 5 point veteran preferance. Within the few government agencies I worked for over the following 7 years women and minorities were promoted all the time over white men. It became very clear to me early on that I would never advance much beyound a GS-12.
I need to find someplace where I am limited only by my ambition and raw talent so after 7 years I had had enough. Started my own business in 1987. Today with the internet, computer technology and automation technology there is no stopping me. No bullshit government program can be a barrier to me anymore. I am on my way, someday I will be able to call myself a millionaire. I could give a flying shit about the job market, who is hiring or if women are being hired/promoted over men. One evening the phone rang at my house close to midnight. It was someone calling from New Zealand to order one the antennas we manufacture. Very exciting, very satisfying and I strongly encourage other men to do the same. Then once you are on your way tell the world to kiss your ass as I have done.
Pete in Nebraska
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I think it is sad that a gay man would be part of this anti-male movement. I mean, there has always been a correlation between feminism and lesbians- so why aren't gay men getting behind their "brothers" and supporting their rights? I am a gay man myself and know a lot of other gay guys who are male apologists and say how they get along better with women and feel sympathy for women who are oppressed by men...give me a break!
"When slaves gave up their seats for whites, we called it subservience; when men give up their seats for women, we call
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by Anonymous User on 04:04 PM October 5th, 2004 EST (#34)
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Cupid.
Yes, this is a fight that all good men (and women) must band together and fight.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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One of the good points that makes the men's rights movement a positive social movement is that it is innately neurtral in regards to gender, race, sexual preference or whatever.
Both men and women suffer under the oppression of radical feminism as do whites, blacks, browns,etc.
And in my opinion same sex oriented peoples have been exploited over the years by the radical feminists clique to promote feminists political goals. I am glad to hear that the gay community is waking up to their explotation by radical feminism too. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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I definatly disagree with these "males" of nomas and I find thier attempt to demonize masculinity rather hateful and ignorant however in everyone's voice against them here i have found aomething rather disconcerning to me.
i believe that perhaps everyone's defence of "traditional" masculinity we may be missing something. Most of our current problems that we find ourselves fighting are a results of certian functions of this traditional role. As males society dictates that we provide. it doesn't care how we provide or if it hurts us. Our reward for this is an amount of "respect" form everyone for being "manly". i ask if any amount of respect is worth an early grave or a life as a living wallet.
society will attack those who speak out against the problems men face by attacking thier view of masculinity. if we continue to view this false masculinity that has been pushed on us by a society that has destoryed our real masculinity ( sit still in school, shut up, don't question authority or your role, accept your lack of visitation, you can't be a parent) we cannot solve the problems that face us hear and now. we have to remove those shackles that we can't see before we can remove those that we can.
when men free ourselves of that confinement all the slings and arrows of society (of which feminism has become on of) become harmless.
don't get me wrong i don't think masculinty is bad. i love masculinity, that is when it's true masculinty. but socienty ever since the industrial revolution (maybe even before by way of chivalrey) has attempted to controll and replace masculinty with something that makes men just another bunch of replaceable cogs in the machine. original masculinity was that of the farmer it was in tune with nature and that is what we need to find again my friends.
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I understand your point of view Jimmy and I agree with you that there is a difference between the "dictating masculinity" and the "in tune with nature masculinity" as you describe it.
The fact is, feminists don't give a shit what kind of masculinist you are, wether you are a dictator or you are a peaceful guy, they hate all masculinity. So in my opinion it would be a good idea to send feminists to training camps to teach them de differences and to teach them some respect for the good guys, for the loving fathers etc. who are the majority.
Bert
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by Anonymous User on 12:37 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#21)
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"when men free ourselves of that confinement all the slings and arrows of society (of which feminism has become on of) become harmless."
As you correctly say, men are long overdue for a role change. Guinea pig, sacrificial goat, cannon fodder, family slave by court order, sperm donor and other such roles are just unacceptable.
It's bad enough that we have to clarify and define new roles, but it is even worse that we have a bunch of man-hating, oppressive radical/gender feminist trying to dictate who we are and what we are to do.
Men have for too long just let the "little ladies choose," and we have just worked the rest of our lives away to try to make them happy. Well, I certainly think many of us have learned that later point (try to make the little lady happy) is totally futile.
The time has come for men to choose for themselves who they are and what their rights and obligations are. There needs to be realistic discussions of privilege and responsibility regarding both genders instead of the women's studies 101 B.S. that has been enshrined into law in so many evil laws across our nation.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 04:22 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#26)
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Again I see a parralell to Indians and men as a whole.
The federal government, through their mouth pieces the prodestant church and the B.I.A. (Buereau of Indian Affairs) told us we couldn't be Indians any more.
The boarding schools cut our childrens hair and forbade them to speak "Indian language".
The government out lawed our "religions". If we spoke our native languages or practiced our spiritualities we could be beaten, placed in prison, or even executed, in some rare cases.
We could not wear our traditional braids (where applicable) And if you were a "mixed-blood" (as I am)you HAD to identify yourself as white. (or black dependeing on heritage)But you could not be Indian.
Indians is what we were. Indians is what we ARE. No amount of law, rules or wishing would or could ever change that fact.
Eventually most people saw this. It is now fairly common to see an indian man or woman wearing a bone choker and/or hair in braids. (particulairly in California) Our "religions" were de-criminalized, We can wear our ribbon shirts again, hold powwows and reserect our native tounges. It took over 200 years, but we never stoped fighting for our identitys as Indians.
Now, in this day, it is MEN who face the EXACT same enemy.
The federal government has pretty much made it a crime to be a man. Feminist groups lable themselves as "pro-male" and then try to beat the maleness out of us. Just as the boarding schools claimed to have Indians' best interests at heart and then beat them for being Indians.
They would say; "Kill the Indian, save the person."
Now it is "kill the MAN save the person".
We Indians, because of the violent acts of a FEW Indians were (and often still are)branded as "violent savages", in the same way that men, as a whole are accused of being "violent savages" because of the acts of SOME men.
The parrallels are many. Too many to list here.
But I assure you that what happened to Indians and what is begining to happen to men, now, is EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
Both are chastised for there GOD GIVEN nature, and birth-right. Both are penalized and criminalized not for what they've done, but for who and what they ARE, Piriod.
I hope it will not take the 200 years it took my people to get it all back, for men as a whole to do the SAME.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 09:20 PM October 4th, 2004 EST (#30)
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"Again I see a parralell to Indians and men as a whole."
TC:
Thanks, I really never thought about all those paralells until you pointed them out. You are right on the money.
Targeting and violating the human rights of one group of humans to satisfy the empowered agenda of another group is wrong. I thought the 60's was an age of enlightenment in this country where we learned to have respect for all, but I see now that the empowerment of the radical/gender feminists was just a transfer of power to another tryrannical hate movement. Sadly the radical/gender feminists are too dumb to have learned the lessons of history and too stupid to correct their mistakes when they are pointed out to them.
Let us hope the internet will expedite the changes that need to be made to releave the oppression that men today are experiencing. 200 years is just too long to wait for justice. I do suspect we will be stuggling with these issues for the rest of our lives no matter what happens.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 01:19 PM October 5th, 2004 EST (#32)
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We probably WILL struggle with this for the rest of OUR lives. But we do so for the same reason that my Cherokee acestors struggled for their sovernty and right to exist. And that is so the NEXT generation will be a bit better off than the last. and so that eventually comeing generations will only know oppression and bigotry against them as a page in history.
The difference between what Indians went through and what men as a whole are going through, now, is that MOST Indians WANTED to end the bigotry against them.
Sadly in MEN'S case there are so many MEN who PARTICIPATE with the feminists in oppressing their own gender.
We had Indian turn-coats, too, but not NEARLY on the same level that we have MALE turn-coats.
This, in my oppinion, is the LARGEST hurtle we as men will have to over come. Members of our OWN sex who beleive what feminism has done, and is doing, is RIGHT.
The odds are small that we will ever get feminists to see the error of their ways. I feel there is no way we will ever convince them. They are a force that will, in all likelyhood have to be fought to the very ground.
Other men will be hard to convince, especialy the deeply feminist indoctrinated ones, but I think we have a better chance of winning them over. But like I said, the feminists, NEVER. Ain't gonna happen. Them we will have to fight tooth and nail to the bitter end. We might even have to do it by physical force, if it comes to that. I hope it doesn't.
But in the end we all will HAVE to do what is necissairy to stop feminism. Even if it means civil war. For now we are trying the more diplomatic approach. Hopefuly that will do the trick, but if not..., Well we will have to do what we will have to do.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Their stated goals are : 1. Pro-Feminist 2. Gay-Affirmative 3. Anti-Racist 4. Dedicated to Enhancing Men's Lives
The episode was titled, "To Serve Man." The plot was that space aliens came to earth and made the deserts bloom, stopped war, ended poverty etc.
The aliens portrayed themselves as servants of mankind. But in reality they viewed earthlings the way Colonel Sanders viewed plump chickens. And so it is with this latest radical feminist inspired "To Serve Man" organization.
FYI: "To Serve Man" was the name of the alien's cookbook in the TZ episode.
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by Anonymous User on 09:59 AM October 6th, 2004 EST (#38)
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Yeah, I remember that episode.
I beleive it was taken from an Issac Asimov story.
"N-no! Don't go!! "To serve man"..., *choke* I-It's a COOK BOOK!!!"
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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This is the new strategy to stave off the decline of the Fem-Hags, Fem-Nags. Truth is that Men are wising up to the BS. Radical Islam is at war with us. The girlie Men will not fight nor will the Fem-Nags. Who will? Real Men. What an irony. We must defend the Girlie Men and their allies the Lesbian Fem-Hags and Misandric Fem-Nags. I wonder how they would react to a Breslan style Islamo Fascist attack on a Women's Studies Group? The Western Culture is dying thanks to these insane idiots. And too many of our Women are too selfish and self obssessed to see what is happening. I fear for my Grandchildren. My Son an Army Ranger is recovering from combat injuries.
My Step Son Lance Corporal USMC is on his way to Fallujah. My other two Sons will be draft age in just a few years. We need to jettison the baggage if we are to beat these Barbarians we are now facing. We need to jettison the Fem-Hags & Nags. ASAP.
Feminism Delende Est!
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