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"Traditionally women-dominated subjects, such as psychology and sociology, will grow in importance too, as the industry becomes more about personal support than systems support."
What is 'not' revealed in the above statement, is that the Feminist secured control of teaching these subjects, and, hence the biased, bigoted and false Myth & Legend that emanates from these disciplines ! ! !
Thus is created the world in which men struggle to exist.
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"It became about playing and coding war games," she explains. "This really turned women off the subject, and we've never really recovered."
WTF? So the development of operating systems and network protocol stacks and device drivers was done by a bunch of immature guys playing games? So I helped drive women away from the field because I used to play space invaders? Is that the lamest excuse ever?
IT departments became very male places, and the techies traded acronyms and buzzwords to determine their position in the hierarchy."
So, buzzwords and acronyms are a form of discrimination against women now? And the evil hierarchy! Let me guess, did she take women's studies in college?
Yeah, it's all because of discrimination. I just wonder if being female had anything to do with her being president of the British Computing Society?
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by Anonymous User on 12:30 AM September 24th, 2004 EST (#3)
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So I helped drive women away from the field because I used to play space invaders? Is that the lamest excuse ever?
It may be a lame excuse, but it was all women needed to justify their laziness. The bottom line is that computer science requires logical thinking. The feminist will not be able to come up with a substitute pop-science for that.
This is why the high tech. jobs are being exported BTW. Women are too damn lazy to work.
Warble
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You know, feminists go on and on about how men have used science exclusively for the sole purpose of military oriented research and of course war. But what they fail (as always) to remember (or choose not to remember) that it was male scientists who developed the technology we regularly use to make our lives easier and healthier.
Oh and the same evil man's science also keeps our asses safe at night when we go to bed.
And it's the same evil man's science that helped America become the most powerful nation on earth (unless the Japanese and Germans surprise us).
There are *SOME* good female scientists in the world who DO work hard, and don't bitch about all of that evil testosterone around them.
The only female scientist I ever liked has been dead for nearly a century. I can't remember her name but she was the Frenchwoman-scientist who worked with Radiology.
Now she was a female scientist who actually worked her ass off and didn't complain about all the testosterone around her. I think the testosternone helped her worked more efficiently because let's face it, testosterone gets the job done.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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Maria Sklodowska
Aka Marie Currie
She was Polish.
She married a Frenchman, Pierre Curie.
westcoast2 - a lot of people think she was French.
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Oh. Okay. Well thanks.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 10:50 AM September 26th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Okay. Here I go being dense again, but...,
What is "I.T."? And what is "WTF"?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 01:08 PM September 28th, 2004 EST (#22)
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Ragtime, Thanks for the explain.
Kinda sorry I asked about "WTF". I should have figured what it stood for.
Well, like I said before, live and learn.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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It may be a lame excuse, but it was all women needed to justify their laziness. The bottom line is that computer science requires logical thinking. The feminist will not be able to come up with a substitute pop-science for that.
This is why the high tech. jobs are being exported BTW. Women are too damn lazy to work.
Very few women possess the logic required for the job. It's just not their strong suit.
As far as being too lazy to work...well, I'll have to disagree with that. However, I will say that, once a woman breeds, she's no damn good to the workplace. My last job, I lost count of how many times I had to do my job PLUS pick up the slack whenever one of the many mommies called out or left early, due to their kid's getting a diaper rash, ear ache, snot nose or hershey squirts.
BRY
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Yeah, if women decide to come back to their jobs after their maternity leave, either they sign up for the work-at-home program (read that as stay-home-and-not-work), or they do the half-day program, taking up a full office space while doing almost nothing, or they opt for full day care and become managers. As managers they can drop all the technical coding and designing work, and plan meetings and events around their own schedule. They also get to boss around older men and evaluate them, and make more money than engineers without the overtime. Poor oppressed high-tech women!
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Well said!
Don't get mad. Get organised.
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Right! In my experience, most women in the workplace want all the money, status and power, but don't want to do any actual work.
I actually know a woman who said she was planning to have a child just as soon as she got her promotion, and she did too. She never did the job she was promoted to do, and never had any intention of doing it. She was complaining about her company not giving her a whole year's maternity leave on full salary because in her company there were "too many women - not enough people to pay for it". In other words, not enough men to pay for it.
Mothers in the workplace are a liability in a way that fathers are not. When a man has a kid, he will work more. When a woman has a kid, she will work less. In fact, the men have to cover the mothers' work, which means a father will probably do overtime and see less of his kids, so that the woman next to him can get time off to see more of hers.
Mothers in the workplace are generally nothing more than parasites.
My message to mothers is - they are your kids - you had them - you pay for them. Don't expect me to subsidise you.
Don't get mad. Get organised.
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BTW....
...Lest anyone thinks it's only the guys being "selfish" - It wasn't only the men that thought having to cover for the "mommies" was unfair. The childless women also thought it wasn't fair that they had to do their work and put in the extra hours to cover for the office brood-sows. As one woman put it, "I feel I'm being penalized for NOT having kids!"
BRY
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"It became about playing and coding war games," she explains.
I've got one more semester to go and I'll graduate with my degree in computer network administration. In all my classes we have not once discussed anything related to playing and coding "war games".
I've had two programming classes (C++ and Visual Basic), and one class in coding SQL queries, and not once have we even remotely touched on coding "war games". On the contrary, we have learned to create efficient code which follows a logical process from A to B to C and so on..., for the purpose of fine tuning our skills in preparation for scripting in my networking classes.
If Ms. Hall thinks the OSI model, TCP/IP, IPX/SPX, VPNs, subnetting, firewalls, domains vs. workgroups, and network security are all about "war games", then I would ask her one simple question:
How in the hell did you become a professor?
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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This kind of article really isn't worth the electrons it's printed on.
I've been a Computer Engineer for going on 15 years, I've written a lot of lines of code... from device drivers to compilers to databases to distributed applications, and the only games I wrote were back in college... a LONG time ago... back in the stone age. This person is simply looking to make excuses, which are then used as a justification for discriminatory practices... you know... to "level the playing field".
That drivel is an insult to coders everywhere... men and women.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Just for a moment, let's say that I.T. has become nothing but coding "war games".
Perhaps it never occured to Ms. Hall that "war games" are what the market is dictating. (You know, that horrible, terrible, evil, sinful free market that she likely hates so much.) Of course, I don't for a minute buy into the notion that "war games" is what I.T. is all about, but even if it was, it could only be that way because the market dictates.
Obviously video games make up a large market, but don't home computer users have a right to buy certain products? If video games were a waste of money and resources, is Hall stupid enough to think that software companies would waste their time with them? Is a company going to risk financial disaster by throwing money and resources into a venture that won't yield returns? If consumers demand video games, then companies are going to provide. Ms. Hall can piss-and-moan about it until she's blue in the face, but reality won't cease to be reality simply because of her temper tantrums.
Perhaps Ms. Hall would know a network packet if it walked up and slapped her in the face, but at this point, I'm not going to bet on it.
"Existence exists. A is A." -Ayn Rand
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by Anonymous User on 06:10 PM September 26th, 2004 EST (#21)
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Ms. Hall can piss-and-moan about it until she's blue in the face, but reality won't cease to be reality simply because of her temper tantrums.
Actually, reality will take a pause of this Marxist-Feminist gets her way. It will mean that men pay for women getting into I.T. and that women get free time off with superior pay. Why? Because they are women and demand superior rights.
No other reason applies.
Warble
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This article is full of the same old crap that we have seen before. Back in July we had the thing about engineering. As I said then, what difference would it make if 50% of engineers (or IT staff) were women? If gender is purely the result of cultural conditioning, and the sexes are interchangable, then a single-sex workforce is no better or worse than a mixed one.
These feminist arguments rely on the idea that "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others". Men and women are exactly the same, except that women are better.
Of course men and women are different. Among children who have an unusual gift for maths, boys outnumber girls 13 to 1 (Steven Pinker, The Blank Slate). Women seem to have superior social and language skills. These facts of human nature will affect both supply and demand in the job market: workers will tend to choose professions which match their strongest skills, because they will be happier and earn more, and employers will tend to hire the people with the best skills for the job because they will be happier and more competent, and therefore more productive. This means that different professions will have 'natural' differences in sex ratios determined by the nature of the skills required to do the job (See 'Free Market Feminism', by David Conway, CIVITAS)
It is a dogma of feminism that *any* numerical disparity can only be the result of discrimination against women. This is nonsense. Feminists consistently refuse to take account of women's choices. If women are not interested in IT, then that is their choice. I would like to say to all the feminists: If you don't think there are enough female programmers, then YOU become a programmer - put your money where your mouth is.
She seemed to be saying that there were plenty of women in IT until the advent of the PC. I find that hard to believe. Even if it is true, so be it. What do you want to do, go back to mainframes so that a few women can have cosy little jobs?
She repeats all the usual crap about the importance of 'soft skills', and how women excel at them, and she says that these are going to become more important.
"Hall paints a picture of a world where everything is smaller and cleverer, or at least less stupid. Systems will be more tailored than they are now, technology will be hidden behind a smarter interface, and we'll have software agents that will negotiate services for us."
So, once men have done all the hard dirty work, these spoiled middle-class women are going to walk in and reap the benefits. Again.
Don't get mad. Get organised.
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"Systems will be more tailored than they are now, technology will be hidden behind a smarter interface, and we'll have software agents that will negotiate services for us."
Technology will become "less stupid", allowing us to become "more stupid" and let computers do all our thinking for us.
Kyo
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