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Dating advice from a "man-trainer" on MSN
posted by Adam on 01:22 PM September 14th, 2004
The Media CJ writes "MSN is so casual and blatant in publishing astonishingly misandric articles. Here is a “love advice” columnist whose credentials read as follows: Womanly Arts and Mama Gena's Guide To Owning And Operating Men. Her advice in this particular piece tells women to “Join the ranks of the brilliant man-trainers of the world: Women who use men to fulfill their dreams and desires!”...and… “guys on their own recognizance won’t necessarily aim very high. A beer and a channel-changer is about enough excitement for them” The problem with this form of casual misandry is that the same type of article with the genders reversed would not be published as it would be highly offensive to women. Let's write MSN to tell them what the "man-trainer" can do with her advice... here"

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I'm waiting for their response (Score:1)
by thea on 02:52 PM September 14th, 2004 EST (#1)
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I sent the little f#ck&rs an email just now.

I simply told them (in my oh-so humble and polite way) that NO smart minded woman find these kinds of blatantly sexist articles (against men) to be amusing.

I told them that sexism goes both ways and to get a f#ck*ng clue. (I didn't drop the f-bomb in the email though, but I was pretty pissed off sounding in my email)

I also told them that since they allow sexists to publish these kinds of articles, then they should allow KKK members to post racist bullsh*t articles too. And to allow abusive husbands to write advice columns on how to beat the sh*t out one's spouse even harder and more often.

Since they allow sexist-biogtry on their website, all I ask was 'why not *EVERYBODY'S* biogtry?'

Equal time for *EVERY* view right?

I should write an advice column for men called 'From a Philanthropic Woman to all Men: How to Dump Your Misandrist-B*tch of Girlfriend Before She *DESTROYS* Your Existence with Marriage, Unwanted Pregnancies/Children, Verbal/Emotional/Physical Abuse Against You and Your Children, Threats of False Rape Accusations Against You, Vandalism of Your Property, Paternity Fraud (forcing you to pay child-support for kids that AREN'T yours), Living off of Your Money and Not Getting A Job Herself, Divorce, False Accusations of Domestic Abuse Committed By You, Alimony, Loss of Paternity Rights, Child-support (for kids that you'll *NEVER* see again), Loss of all of Your Property, And Financial Ruins ' By Doctor Thea.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
Re:I'm waiting for their response (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:10 PM September 14th, 2004 EST (#2)
They just don't seem to "get it", do they?
It is EXACTLY this sort of oppinion that is makeing more men than ever in U.S. history turn away from realationships.
It's interesting how they'll publish something like this one day and then the next complain that "men don't want to commit, anymore".
Gee, whiz, I can't IMAGINE WHY!
This is one for the 'duh files', actually, But as dumb as these people are that write this misadrist B.S. it is no wonder they do not see that spitting in the wind is only going to get them wetter the more they do it. But they STILL can't understand WHY.
Now THAT'S dumb!

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:I'm waiting for their response (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:55 PM September 14th, 2004 EST (#3)
She's a trainer of parasites.

Obviously, the man (the woman is asking advice about) is completely content with his life choices – but instead of parsing on any wisdom – the goddess of crap is engaged in teaching how to manipulate this easy going man and all men in general. She doesn't even consider the differences of men and how this creates diversity but places us all in a general sweeping generalisation of all men are this or that. Give him a remote control and he’s happy.

Notice too how it's all about what the woman can take from the man. Damn does it just suck being one of these Oprah indoctrinated women or what?

Yuk!

Regards
Re:I'm waiting for their response (Score:2)
by jenk on 07:26 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#6)
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I was floored at how absolutely obvious she was about what she was saying. You would think that being that blatent women reading the article would feel at least a little funny about it. Probably not though.

The Biscuit Queen
Re:I'm waiting for their response (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:07 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#9)
I just sent her an email too, I said us men are getting sick and tired of you self absorbed women. We are getting wise of the feminist lies, male bashing etc. I said just reverse the genders, and say, Bon bons in one hand and the soap opera on t.v. is about enough excitement for her. Then I told her her article was trash.

apetr
Oh Look! Overweight Female Couch Potatoes! (Score:2)
by Luek on 02:00 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#12)
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Bon bons in one hand and the soap opera on t.v. is about enough excitement for her. Then I told her her article was trash.

GOOD OBSERVATION!!!!!

The female equivalent of the sports channel surfing, beer and chips munching male couch potato stereotype! Bon bons are probably eaten but I think with this type of female pork rinds are more readily consumed. All bought and made possible with the ex's child support check of course.

I just bet there are more female couch potato viewers of soap operas and Oafie Winfrey than there are of male couch potatoes.
Re:Oh Look! Overweight Female Couch Potatoes! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:26 PM September 16th, 2004 EST (#21)
ROFLMAO. "Pork Rinds"
Thea's scary adventure with the feminists (Score:2)
by mens_issues on 08:06 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Perhaps this little piece I'm writing is a bit juvenille, but it sort of came to me after the previous posts about "The Patriarchy."

[Thea goes walking in the woods and gets kidnapped by some NOW operatives. They take her to a secret NOW compound nearby. Thea is taken into a room within the compound. She is strapped into a chair].

NOW Operative: Thea, listen to me. You have been brainwashed by "The Patriarchy" into becoming a misogynist woman. We are here to reprogram you.

Thea: What? NO! Let me go!

NOW Operative: Well, then, I have no choice but to have you watch our videos. One is called “The Vagina Monologues” and the other is called [unintelligible].

Thea: Did you say “PunFest?”

Now Operative: Well, close enough .

Thea: [defiantly] I won’t watch it!!! I’ll close my eyes.

Now Operative: OK, well I’ll force your eyes open with this device and put eye drops in your eyes.

Thea: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[Over the next several hours Thea is subjected to a vulgar series of videos with the above titles].

Now Operative: Well, Thea, are you ready to return to the feminist sisterhood?

Thea: NO! And I never was part of the feminazis in the first place.

Now Operative: Oh boy, this is a tough one to crack. Guards! Take her to the dungeon!

[Thea is led to the dungeon, where she finds she has a companion – a stocky, plain looking woman with a butch haircut]

Thea: Who are you?

Leslie: My name is Leslie, but you can call me Les for short. And I think you’re kind of cute! Come here … come to mama ….

[Leslie slowly approaches Thea while Thea cowers in the corner of the dungeon. Leslie gets close enough to where Thea can smell her acrid breath].

Thea: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Suddenly, a masked man bursts into the dungeon]

Masked Man: Thea, come with me. Quick! I’m here to rescue you.

Thea: Anything to get out of here.

[Thea follows the masked man through a hole in the wall where a cinder block has just been removed].

Masked Man: Here, get on my horse.

[Thea gets on to the masked man’s horse with him, and they gallop off through the woods and over the mountains].

Thea: Thanks for saving me from the feminists. But who are you?

[The masked man takes off his mask]

Thea: Why, it’s Thundercloud!

Thundercloud: Yes, I have joined the Knights of the Patriarchal Order. And they do have free root beer. HOKA HEY!

[Thundercloud and Thea ride off into the sunset, later to join up with The Patriarchy at their compound. Meanwhile, two NOW feminist operatives gaze forlornly at the departing duo, realizing that they’ve been foiled].

NOW Operative: Who was that masked man?

Steve


Re:Thea's scary adventure with the feminists (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 05:48 AM September 16th, 2004 EST (#16)
Excellent work, Steve. I enjoyed the read mate.
Re:Thea's scary adventure with the feminists (Score:2)
by jenk on 08:13 AM September 16th, 2004 EST (#18)
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What a RIOT!


Re:Thea's scary adventure with the feminists (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:09 PM September 17th, 2004 EST (#23)
Cool!
I get to be the hero, AND get the girl!
THANX!

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Poster Child (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:42 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#4)
Save this article, she will be the poster child example of the radical antimale people that exist. Although in many cases feminism and antimale sentement can coincide, in this case this woman is simply an example of a female sexist biggot.

Don't just write to her, but her boss the publisher the advertisers, everyone.
Manipulation 101 (Score:1)
by AngryMan (end_misandry@yahoo.co.uk) on 06:47 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#5)
(User #1810 Info)
Notice how it's all about training men to get more money and to be more obedient. Nothing that she said is actually in the man's best interests. The assumption is that the man is in the wrong and he needs to change. The girlfriend apparently has no responsibilities towards the man - the agony aunt doesn't give her any advice on how to be a better girlfriend, or what her side of the bargain is. The contract between man and woman is assumed to be entirely one-sided - the man gives and the woman takes. It is just a lesson in how to be more coercive, a more effective parasite. How to get his wallet open. The fact is, this is by no means unique. Women's magazines are full of this stuff all the time.

Feminism=Fascism : Get Wise to the Lies
This is what I wrote (Score:2)
by jenk on 07:44 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#7)
(User #1176 Info)
I just read "Should I marry My Guy", by 'Mama Gina.' I have to say I was absolutely floored by what I read. Now I understand that the reader had a legitimate question, whether to marry her boyfriend or not. However the answer is what shocked me.

  "Join the ranks of the brilliant man-trainers of the world: Women who use men to fulfill their dreams and desires!"

We used to call these women 'gold diggers,'and it was not a flattering term. The phrase "use men" should have keyed a warning response in your editors. It really is not acceptable to 'use' anyone. What if the roles had been reversed.

"Join the ranks of the brilliant woman-trainers of the world: Men who use women to fulfill their dreams and desires!"

This would be seen as unacceptable. People would be up in arms, NOW would be sueing MSN and the author. Visions of domestic violance and rape of innocent girls by domineering middle aged men would be imagined. Yet where are the visions of a lifetime of slavery for men? The lifetime of spending 40-60 hours a week working, many times in dangerous jobs, to support a selfish, harping, never happy woman?

Sound advice for this woman would be that she has some choices. A. Find another man who already lives like she would like to live, B. Accept her man for who he is and live the way he lives, or C. Accept the way he is and get a job to bring the joint income to where she wants it.

Changing him should not be an option. Using him should not be an option. People are not meant to be used, and I am saddened to think that your business is promoting that type of behavior. You may not have much control in what happens in the news, but you do have full control of what columns you publish. If this is the type of garbage you are promoting, I think I will change my homepage to Yahoo.

Sincerely, Jen K

Re:This is what I wrote (Score:1)
by AngryMan (end_misandry@yahoo.co.uk) on 08:54 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#8)
(User #1810 Info)
Well said, Jen.
Feminism=Fascism : Get Wise to the Lies
Re:This is what I wrote (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:29 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#11)
Same, here, Jen. well said.

And anyone that doesn't think that this type of mind-set isn't setting in with alot of women (and wussie-poopie men) does anyone remember the Troll a week or two ago that told us; "Just admit you guys are beaten." and then she(?) went on to talk about "Male slave auctions" and other bigoted garbage.
That Troll, I.M.O., is not just a fluke. I hear ALOT of women, both in the media and in public say thing like that, or very similar.
We are up against a bigoted attitude that rivals that of Nazi Germany. and that is NOT an over statement!
  It has been a while since such an attitude and such a hate-movement has gained this much momentum. But here we are...,
Blacks endured the same thing. (they were literaly sold at auctions, too, y' know) MY peolpe (Indians) went through it, the Jewish people DEFINATELY endured it, and now it is men.
Such articles written by this pompous arrogant whitch are not just ladened with prejiduce they are LITTERALY DANGEROUS.
And I have past history and even some expirience to back me up on this.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:This is what I wrote (Score:2)
by jenk on 08:10 AM September 16th, 2004 EST (#17)
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You are absolutely right, Thundercloud.I don't think most people understand the severity.

  I often wondered when people criticized the German people for letting the holocost happen. Shouldn't they have seen what was happening? However, this type of brainwashing is insidious in its ability to seep in to the general conscienceness unnoticed. Just as the German people did not see what was happening, I don't think most men or women see things as they truly are. Feminism still has us believing that women are so victimized that society cannot see how the tables have been turned. And both men and women's behavior feeds into continuing the myth. Men need to stop taking it, they need to admit they are being exploited, no easy task. And every woman who sees what is going on needs to stand up for them. Who would have thought a movement could actually start genocide...Oh wait, that has happened as lately as Bosnia. We really do need to stop this, as historically speaking, we are no better today than 100, 500, 2000 years ago.

The Biscuit Queen
Re:This is what I wrote (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:09 PM September 16th, 2004 EST (#19)
Jen- thanks for including the Bosnians, there. I forgot to mention them. I feel bad about that.

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:This is what I wrote (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:32 PM September 16th, 2004 EST (#22)
I agree, I had the misfortune of watching the apprentice the other day and of course it was men versus women. As it turned out, a man and women from each side traded and the man was the manager of the females and women manager of the males. She said stuff like, I took a bullet for the girls, Derogatory genital remark about her sex organ turning into something else cause she is whith the guys. When the ladies won the competition, even trump said, well your manager isn't bad for a man, I take it he was joking. But the mindset is out there.
She Is Actually Training Women! (Score:2)
by Luek on 11:07 AM September 15th, 2004 EST (#10)
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Actually, I believe this woman is a con artist ripping off gullable women. If you go to her site:
http://www.mamagenas.com there are all kinds of goofy Oprah Winfrey like "how to" books for sale and even expensive correspondence courses dense females can take to supposedly get what they want from the men in their lives.

However, like a broken clock that is correct twice in every 24 hour period, the comment about men, beer and the TV remote is unfortunately true for a segment of the male population. Men do need to stop reinforcing this negative stereotype.

She is spewing out this misandry to make money off the sexual insecurities of vulnerable and weak women. And the women audience she aims this spew at would be better off in their lives if they didn't really take her seriously or support her by buying her books and courses.

In sum, she like all genuine radical feminists, under the hype really has a negative view of women and uses and exploits them!


Re:She Is Actually Training Women! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 05:02 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#13)
"However, like a broken clock that is correct twice in every 24 hour period, the comment about men, beer and the TV remote is unfortunately true for a segment of the male population. Men do need to stop reinforcing this negative stereotype."

Not to be argumentative, but if that's the way I want to live then I see no need to change. Women in search of a mate should simply steer clear or waste a good portion of their life trying to mold this guy into someting he does not want to be. Conversely, the guy should not expect women to flock to him. I refuse to change to fit a woman's hidden agenda. I'd rather save my money and pay for a "date" when the feeling hits. Once it's over, a little cab fare and that's it. Beats supporting a sponge Barb Iron pants for years to come.
Re:She Is Actually Training Women! (Score:2)
by Luek on 05:14 PM September 15th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Not to be argumentative, but if that's the way I want to live then I see no need to change. Women in search of a mate should simply steer clear

You are right!

I was just expressing my personal dislike for that type of male. But if that is the way some men chose to live then so be it. However, I have observed that these type of males are not great supporters of men's rights.
Re:She Is Actually Training Women! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:12 PM September 16th, 2004 EST (#20)
"Spounge Barb Iron pants"!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Thundercloud.
  "Hoka hey!"
Re:She Is Actually Training Women! (Score:1)
by Peter on 10:21 PM September 18th, 2004 EST (#25)
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Gentlemen (and Ladies too) forgive my ignorance but what the the hell does LOL stand for? I noticed several of my customers use it too in their e-mails to me. I have searched high and low to figure it out but now I have no choice but to just ask.

      Pete in Nebraska
Send reply s to the right place (Score:1)
by MAUS on 09:07 PM September 17th, 2004 EST (#24)
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Hey Guys, (and Ms Thea, by the way please don't get put off by misogynists you may encounter in these forums...I for one realize that it will be fair minded women and not male activists who will ultimately restore the balance) It is a complete waste of keyboarding and effort to reply to the authors of these things, THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THEIR VIEWPOINT!!!!!

Reply to the one who pays their paychech (find Bill Gates'e-mail home address or some contact point) in a way that makes it plain that you intend to do financial harm or make THAT PATRON look like an ass publicly or burden the host organization with litigation costs or legal fallout that will be bad for PR.

So what should be done to the authors of these things? Nobody..but nobody....is safe on the blind side of Justice.

I din't think any more needs to be said.
 
Work should be pursued for its own sake (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:42 AM September 25th, 2004 EST (#26)
Of course it is morally reprehensible to work or accumulate wealth to impress potential mates. Work should be pursued strictly for its own sake, for the sheer pleasure of doing an honest job; the same goes for the accumulation of wealth.

I've often heard youngish men comment, with obvious disbelief, on women they might meet in dance halls who claim they go there "just to dance" and not to meet anyone. But the reply, if one feels compelled to make a reply (not that it will gain you anything) is simple: "Yes, I have a similar attitude to my work. I work for the sake of working." If pressed to elaborate, one could explain "I accumulate wealth for its own sake; it has nothing to do with impressing potential mates." This is the same answer the dating advice columnists deserve to hear, past the ad nauseum point. I suggest to men's activists to send letters to any columnist who advises women to base her estimation of a man's reproductive fitness on the basis of his economic effectiveness to inform the columnist that this is morally reprehensible; such letters should persist at the rate of one per day per activist for one year following the date of publication of the offensive advice.

Generally speaking, economic justice between the sexes will be unattainable until reproductive fitness becomes uncorrelated with economic effectiveness.
Wow, people are dumb... (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 08:57 PM October 5th, 2004 EST (#27)
The fact that this woman makes money with this routine just makes me shake my head and wonder just how many paychecks she misses out on because it rained (and her audience member stared up at the sky until she drowned).

This is why when my guy friends come to me for relationship advice because "technically [I'm] a girl" I usually at some point end up making that face most people made when they first heard the premise of "The Swan" which is often followed by "she did/said WHAT?"

Then there are shows like "Sex & the City" that protray almost all women as ready to drop a guy if he's not the perfect incarnation of every fantasy she's ever had.

I don't want to be a "goddess" that uses people like tampons and relies on padded bras and high heels. I could have fallen back on my looks at any time had I wanted to (I'm tall, thin, pretty...) but why would I want to? I haven't read stacks of grad school literature or studied calculus to get by with lip smacks and shoulder shrugs of helplessness when I'd rather alternate between serious (when things need to be done) and sillier than NickToons (when it's time to goof off).

Such behavior irritates me from men as much as from women though - and when I catch them doing it, I'm just as likely to call them out. Because I know how to change a tire, can lift pressure-treated plywood and large bags of potting soil, and I know if you have a BS in English Lit and an MBA you don't need her to help you write that report for the boss. (I'm equally irritated by men and women who expect to be flirted with before they'll do what they should be doing in the first place.)
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