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by Anonymous User on 02:50 PM September 10th, 2004 EST (#1)
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...a woman blameing ANOTHER WOMAN for her own actions.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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(Major Sarcasm coming your way)
Women are ALWAYS DRIVEN to commit criminal and suicidal acts because of mean ole patriarchy. Women are ALWAYS morally superior. Yep-yep, they NEVER commit evil acts unless COMPELLED TO!
But Men, well, it's just inherent and a character trait. That's why men should be forced into being beasts of burdens, blame-objects, sent to die in a rich-white guy's war, have his children taken away from him, sucked dry by a parasitic woman, and have his health issues ignored by the medical community!
YES!!! That's it! EPIPHANY!!!!!!! What bullsh*t! This is so depressing and infuriating at the same time.
There's only one solution to this. A solution that only a college girl like me can think of.
Pass the Smirnoff.
By the way, in my Criminal Justice 101 course, guess what, we're talkin' about Andrea Yates. And what a surprise my typical feminist professor is spouting crap that she was DRIVEN to drowning her kids due to her insensitive husband and post-pardem psychosis. It was NEVER Andrea's fault for murdering her children, nope-nope!
Now as I leave you good men to drown myself in some good Smirnoff (because it's Friday), I will say, it seems to me that I am the only young woman on my college campus who understands the hypocritical, fascist bullsh*t that feminists preach and don't buy into it.
Oh and guess what, after I put a few "Women Studies Courses Incite Bigotry", "Shame on Women Studies Courses for Bashing Men", Mensactivism.org, Choice for Men.com bumpstickers on my dormroom-door, a female student called me a misogynist and said that I have been brainwashed by patriarchy. Once again, I, a woman, was DRIVEN by "The Man" to do something heretical to the feminist movement. It wasn't because I saw through the misandrist movement's bullsh*t, nope, it was because of phallocracy (Greek for 'penis-rule/power'). The campus feminists even protest our bell-tower because to them it's an evil phallic symbol of patriarchy. It's a f#ck*n' clock!
College is going so well for me.
Once again, so very infuriating and depressing. Come here Smirnoff!
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 03:21 PM September 10th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Thea.
I know how you must feel.
As an Indian I have been called a "sell-out" because I condem all racism, against ALL people, including against whites.
You are condeming ALL sexism. Both against women and men.
Don't get too drunk, you're on the RIGHT SIDE!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I tip my glass to you as well...but I will give you some advice. One of my dearest friends was a lawyer from the wrong side of the tracks who had INTEGRITY (that's sort of like diabetes...folks who have it really can't help themselves) Ultimately they got him....he drank himself to death....never have more than one bottle of Smirnov's in your room and never start hitting it till the liquor stores are closed.
God love you....may the spirit of Justice grant you many moments of inspiration...keep the faith... we need you.
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I'll remember that! Besides, I'm kind of a light-weight. After two drinks, I'm all ready starting to get a bad headache so I stop very quickly. I'm not a benge drinker, trust me. It's my roommate who scares me with her wild drinking habits.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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...Do you get along with her? Does she give you a hard time for standing up for men?
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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Actually she's somewhat okay with it. Like most other women who are slowly, very slowly becoming pro-Men's Rights, she's a little bit nervous about. I just tell her that everybody is a little uncertain about movements when they get started. After awhile they also become commonplace and second nature.
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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by Anonymous User on 01:33 PM September 13th, 2004 EST (#31)
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It's a shame, that ANYONE should have a "hard time" with it when you stand up for ANY group being mis-treated. Women OR men...,
I think the fundamental difference between men's activists and feminists is; that men's activists will stand up when they see women treated wrongly as well as men, But the feminists not only won't stand by men when they are wronged they are RESPONSIBLE for most of the wrongs commited against men.
There in lies the difference, wouldn't you say?
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I can see it now...
Discrrimmmination izzz bad... mmmmkay? burp.
:)
(don't mind me... I've already had a few myself tonight)
To everyone out there fighting the good fight, I raise my glass (bottle) to you all!
Oh.. before you think this is Jen... it isn't (she usually falls asleep after two beers), I just jumped on her login while she's reading to the boys.
Dave
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My god, you are refreshing. I am opening a bottle of my favorite brew to toast you right now!
Cheers!
Tom
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Nice to know that there are some girls that call injustice what is beeing done to men, there are more like you, but the sad fact is that is a very tiny minority, with more women supporting men things will start to change.
I always wanted equal rights, equal responsabilities, always, never wanted to change things and turn back to a really traditional society, but as time passes, equallity seems more, and more unlikely.
Western men look what is happening to them, and see also how men are treated in muslim countries, may be in the beguining they were very reluctunt to this type of society, but they see no alternative, equality seems impossible, so it is you or them, day after day, unjustice after unjustice, makes this option more, and more attractive, and with the fast advance of the islam in Europe it seems the only viable option for men, the only real alternative, wich is sad, but it is one of the probable outcomes of this situation.
Take care!!
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"...a female student called me a misogynist and said that I have been brainwashed by patriarchy."
I thought I'd create a little dark humor to highlight the absurdity of radical feminism...
Scene from the dark chambers at "Patriarchy" headquarters:
[A shackled woman is taken from the torture chambers and strapped down on a table]
Hooded patriarch: Well, well, so we have another subject here today. What is your name?
Woman: [trembling in fear] Uh ... m-my name is th-Thea.
Hooded patriarch: Well, Thea, we have a little video for you to watch ...
[Thea is subjected to an hour long video extolling the virtues of male domination by the Patriarchy while also getting subliminal messages that she is to obey the Patriarchy by obeying their agents (i.e. men)].
Hooded patriarch: Well, Thea, are you ready to obey?
Thea: Yes, master.
Hooded patriarch: Excellent! Well, your mission is to give the evil, I mean, honorable Patriarchy credibility by supporting men's movement websites such as Mensactivism.org, as well as all organizations affiliated with it.
You will remember none of this after I snap my fingers!
***snaps fingers***
[Thea is led out of the Patriarchy Headquarters in order to carry out her mission]
Steve
P.S. I believe the Washington Monument is also supposed to be a phallic symbol of patriarchal oppression, as well as the bell tower at your university. I mean, it symbolizes the center of the National Mall in the capital city of the nation that specializes in oppressing women
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[A shackled woman is taken from the torture chambers and strapped down on a table]
Well my friends have told me that college was a time for "experimentation" I'll have to pass :)
But seriously, I can't believe that those radical feminists think that there is some kind of Super-Secret Patriarchy Legion of Doom somewhere where this "brainwashing" occurs. Do the feminists suffer from hallucenations or something? Isn't that a symptom of schizophrenia?
Well, at least the members of the "Patriarchal Legion Of Doom" have cool names. None of us have names refering to our genitals and body parts like some of the members of the feminist message boards. I like to go undercover occassionally and see what kind of bullsh*t they're spouting out this week. I even post something in reference to the growing father's rights movements just see what they would say, and OH MY GOD, you wouldn't believe the misandrist sh*t they said. Well you probably would. They're misandrist responses are very predictable.
Once again, this time on a feminist message board, I was called a misogynist woman brainwashed by patriarchy.
If you need a double-agent working for you, just give me a call. Happy to be a chameleon for Men's Right's Movement, and sabotage, ruin, destroy the Feminist Hate Movement any day ;)
*Ms.Thea the Pre-Law Major, Pro-Gender Egalitarian, and Pro-Reproductive Rights Activist*
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And it is a conspiracy...
I wish I was generalizing here...
I wish I was just imagining this...
There is some sort of rite of passage with women in law school where they get pregnant by some sucker they meet in a one night stand... where ever... and either deliberately dont involve the father, or sue him for paternity. This occurs with such astonishing frequency, that some of the professors ~must~ be giving extra credit for doing this. I see no other way.
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I don't think that even most radical feminists actually mean that there is a secret "Patriarchal Legion of Doom" out there, but the term "The Patriarchy" sounds rather odd and can evoke such imagery.
If you like, I started an online group called Men's Issues Online. You may want to check it out at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MensIssuesOnline.
P.S. I wrote another story about "The Patriarchy" in India in a previous thread as part of an occasional series.
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Also, there may be a "Patriarchal Women's Auxillary" that you can join. Women in the auxillary are spared the wrath of "The Patriarchy" due to their collaboration ;)
Steve
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by Anonymous User on 11:26 AM September 11th, 2004 EST (#14)
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I wouldn't mind being a member of this "Evil patriarchy legion of doom", thing.
I hear you get to stay up as late as you want and drink root beer!
Sweet!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Once again, this time on a feminist message board, I was called a misogynist woman brainwashed by patriarchy.
If you need a double-agent working for you, just give me a call.
Thea, why don't you pass some time by playing a little solitaire? :)
(Sorry, you're probably too young to get this reference! If you're really curious, rent the original Manchurian Candidate some time, and all will be clear.)
But in all seriousness, it's great to have such a dedicated, articulate person on our side!
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Thanks Thea,
You just made my day! :)
Your writing style reminds me of my own when I was a college kid just getting into the movement. Do you also have an urge to go yell at everyone on your campus "Wake up you morons! Can't you see what's right in front of your face!"? (This urge subsides a little when you eventually realize that they cannot.)
Would you do me a favor and ask your Criminology professor 6 short questions in class about his position on the Yates case? You can tell him that you've been asked to ask him these questions by someone with an interest in the case who would like to hear him expand on his views a bit if you like.
1 - Are women adults?
2 - Who is responsible for an adult's behavior?
3 - Murder is the only crime in which we can say with absolute certainty that the victim cannot possibly recover from it. It is also imperative to prevent murder in order to maintain a functional society. Considering this, shouldn't mitigating circumstances be considered less mitigating when weighed against the effects of murder?
4 - Are our children sufficiently protected by a legal system so permissive as to allow women to kill them without penalty provided they claim "depression" and "being married to a controlling fundamentalist" as mitigating circumstances?
5 - Would you find a man who made the same argument, that he was severely depressed and that his wife was controlling, to be innocent of deliberately murdering his 5 children or is being a woman another mitigating circumstance?
6 - If the supposed cause of the murder, that is Andrea's depression and her unhappy marriage, were both eliminated through recovery and divorce, would you let her babysit your children?
"The campus feminists even protest our bell-tower because to them it's an evil phallic symbol of patriarchy. It's a f#ck*n' clock!"
You should point out to them that trees are phallic symbols too and ask if they want to cut them all down. ;)
"College is going so well for me"
I wish you the best of luck with it. Try not to let the feminazi preaching interfere with your studies too much.
Thanks again,
Hombre
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Great job, Thea.
Did you give any reply to either the professor or the student who accused you of being a misogynist?
Don't drown your sorrows in alcohol. Don't destroy yourself because people on campus drive you bonkers. We need you.
Thanks,
bg
Men are from EARTH. Women are from EARTH. Deal with it.
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Unfortunately western men will achive nothing, we have been beaten to pulp, however there is a solution,no even in one million years canadian men will achive changes in family law like the one are comming, Canada the most femininazi country in the world, however:
Binding Islamic Tribunals Coming To Canada?
The Institute for the Secularisation of Islamic Society has the adapted version of a speech by Azam Kamguian on the establishment of an Islamic court system for Muslims in Canada.
As we all know, Islamists in Canada have recently set up an Islamic Institute of Civil Justice to oversee tribunals that would arbitrate family disputes and other civil matters between people from Muslim origin on the basis of the Islamic Sharia law. This is the first time in any western country that the medieval precepts of the Sharia have been given any validity. One can imagine that the Islamists will use this as a lever to work for similar recognition in many other western countries. After all, if Canada is prepared to recognise Sharia law in this way why not every other country in the west.
Muslims will be under enormous pressure to accept the Muslim courts for arbitration of disputes - including family law disputes.
Advocates for the Islamic tribunals have argued that one of the beauties of free and open societies in the west is their flexibility. But the very same ‘flexibility” provides the Islamists with the opportunity to impose their own rigid and oppressive rules on a specific community in the society. Mr. Momtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, and a leading proponent of the Islamic tribunals has said: "It - the Islamic tribunal - offers not only a variety of choices, but shows the real spirit of our multicultural society," The very same Mr. Ali also says: “…On religious grounds, a Muslim who would choose to opt out … would be guilty of a far greater crime than a mere breach of contract – and this would be tantamount to blasphemy or apostasy”. You are aware that blasphemy and apostasy are among the worst crimes in Islam, in many countries punishable by death.
The problem posed by Islamic fundamentalists attempting to create a parallel legal system is an argument agains the development of private legal systems. If marriage law became privatized with couples able to enter into their own customized marriage contracts with binding arbitration this would set up the conditions to allow Muslim women to be systematically pressured into very unfavorable terms by the radical Muslim fundamentalists.
TRANSALATION: WOMEN WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO STEAL MEN CHILDREN AND PROPERTIES AND BECOME PARASITES THAT PROFIT FROM THEIR LABOR IN RETURN OF NOTHING.
In virtually every western country with a sizeable Muslim minority there is pressure from Islamists for a separate civil and criminal law. They seek to establish their own state to oppress people, legally and officially. There must be no state within a state. Yet this is precisely the objective that the Islamic advocates are pursuing. They argue that it is their duty as good Muslims to work for precisely this end. And this end precisely leads to more forced marriages, more honour killings, more Islamic schools, more FGM-s done secretly, and more harassment and intimidation towards women and girls in ghettos.
Where are the feminists in Canada on this issue? Do they think that women can only be oppressed by white males?
David Frum (originally from Canada - not sure if he's currently a Canadian or American citizen) reports that the Canadian government decided in October 2003 to accept the decisions of this Islamic court system as binding on those who accept its arbitration.
With this decision, taken last October, Canada becomes the first Western country to allow sharia the force of law.
Under sharia, "a woman's testimony ... counts only as half that of a man. So in straight disagreements between husband and wife, the husband's testimony will normally prevail. In questions of inheritance, whilst under Canadian law sons and daughters would be treated equally, under the Sharia daughters receive only half the portion of sons. If the Institute were to have jurisdiction in custody cases, the man will automatically be awarded custody once the children have reached an age of between seven and nine years."
UHH!! SO UNFAIR, THOSE BAD MUSLIMS, THAT GIVE MEN FAMILY RIGHTS, THAT NEVER HAPPENS IN SOCIETIES WITH JUDEO-CRHISTIAN VALUES EH!!, MEN THERE ARE JUST CHATTLE AND SLAVE LABOR, MAY BE THATS WHY THEY ARE DYING OUT.
While Frum and Kamguian talk about this Islamic court system as a done deal other articles talk about how the Islamic Institute of Civil Justice is still trying to present itself in a way that will cause Canadian courts to respect its decisions. The October 2003 date that Frum refers to looks to be simply an organizing meeting to try to reach agreement between the many Muslim sects and ethnic groups in Canada. However, that previous report about that meeting claims law on arbitration in Canada has been changed recently in ways that would give an Islamic Sharia court considerable power.
Syed explained that until recent changes in the law, Canadian Muslims have been excused from applying Shariah in their legal disputes.
Arbitration was not deemed to be practical because there was no way to enforce the decisions. Syed said the laws have recently changed with amendments to the Arbitration Act.
''Now, once an arbitrator decides cases, it is final and binding. The parties can go to the local secular Canadian court asking that it be enforced. The court has no discretion in the matter.
''So, the concession given by Shariah is no longer available to us because the impracticality has been removed. In settling civil disputes, there is no choice indeed but to have an arbitration board.''
There is a campaign against this proposed Sharia law court system and one group involved in this campaign is the International Campaign Against Shari'a Court in Canada. Homa Arjomand, coordinator of that organisation, sees Shariah law as a tool for the oppression of women.
On October 21st 2003 , a group of Muslim, elected 30, member council to establish a judicial tribunal for Muslims known as “the Islamic Institute of Civic Justice”. This proposal is designed to persuade Canadian court to uphold decision made under the Shari’a Law.
We strongly believe that this move belongs to the same move that subjected women to various forms of abuse and daily degradation for disobeying Islamic social standards and if Sharia gains legal credibility, it will increase intimidation and threats against innumerable women and it will open the way for future suppression .
ABUSE IS WHAT WESTERN MEN SUFFER EVERY DAY TO DISOBEY FEMINAZI LAWS WHEN THEY CAN NOT COPE ANYMORE.
Alia Hogben has doubts about a Muslim court system.
But Alia Hogben, president of the Canadian Council of Muslim Women, expressed reservations about the arbitration committees.
"Who will represent the rights of women?" she asked from Kingston.
Shariah law would be applied instead of Canadian law.
SOUNDS GOOD TO MEN AND FAIR WOMEN.
"Considering that the purpose of the Islamic arbitration board is to apply Shariah law, rather than the law of Canada, it is an open question at this point if the courts will overturn decisions that are not in accordance with Canadian law," says Janet Epp Buckingham, general legal counsel for the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada.
WHO CARES ABOUT FEMINIST RELIGIOUS SECTS?, I DO NOT. LOL, :)
Sharia law is not compatible basic human rights. If the Canadian courts try to pretend otherwise many Canadian Muslims will become far less free than they are today.
I WOULD SAY CANADIAN LAWS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH HUMAN RIGHTS, HALF OF THE POPULATION HAS NO REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, FAMILY RIGHTS, PROPERTY RIGHTS, EXPLOITED AS SLAVE LABOR, CONSIDERED CANNON AND PRISION FODDER.
HEY!! THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT MARRIAGE MAY BECOME POPULAR IN SOME YEARS, AND WHO IN HELL WILL MARRY A NON MUSLIMS, (READ FEMINIST), WOMAN, ?, ANY WOMAN NON WANTING TO GET MARRIED UNDER THE SHARIA LAW BUT WANTING UNDER THE FAMINAZI LAW WOULD HAVE TO PROVE SHE IS NOT A FEMINAZI, AND EXPLAIN WHY NOT.
By Randall Parker 2004 April 07
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PARIS, June 10 (AFP) - Former French actress Brigitte Bardot was fined EUR 5,000 (USD 6,000) by a Paris court Thursday for writing a book in which she declared disgust with her country's tolerance of Islam.
The judgement added to a number of previous decisions which have found the 69-year-old of provoking racial hatred in her expression of right-wing, xenophobic views.
Bardot's publisher, Rocher, was also fined EUR 5,000 for last year bringing out the book, "Un Cri Dans le Silence" (A Cry in the Silence).Bardot, who lives in the French Riviera town of Saint-Tropez, was not present for the verdict.
Two civil rights groups, the Movement Against Racism and For Friendship Between People and the League of Human Rights, brought the lawsuit because of several passages in the book.
One of the most incriminating sections read: "I am against the Islamisation of France! This obligatory allegiance, this forced submission disgusts me.... Our ancestors, the elderly, our grandfathers, our fathers have for centuries given their lives to push out successive invaders."
The two groups which sued the ex-actress were each awarded a symbolic one euro in damages.
A complaint over a tirade in the book against "mixing our genes" with non-European immigrants -- taken in context to mean Muslims -- was not upheld.
In its verdict, the court ruled that Bardot had deliberately tried to draw a link between Islam and terrorism by mentioning the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States in a chapter on a Muslim holiday celebrated in France and elsewhere.
It found that the book argued that "the presence of Muslims on French territory and only seem undesirable to the reader, who is ineluctably led ... to reject members of the Muslim community through hate and violence."
France has Europe's biggest Muslim community, estimated at five million out of a total population of 60 million.
In her defence, Bardot admitted in court last month that she may have been too direct in the expression of her views but she did not seek to hurt anyone.
"It's my overall view of a society becoming completely decadent, where it's like mediocrity has become more important than beauty and greatness, where there are more dirty, badly kept people invading the world," she said.
© AFP
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Demographics is destiny. Never in recorded history have prosperous and peaceful nations chosen to disappear from the face of the earth. Yet that is what the Europeans have chosen to do. Back in 1348 Europe suffered the Black Death, a combination of bubonic plague and likely a form of mad cow disease, observes American Enterprise Institute scholar Ben Wattenberg. "The plague reduced the estimated European population by about a third. In the next 50 years, Europe's population will relive - in slow motion - that plague demography, losing about a fifth of its population by 2050 and more as the decades roll on."
In 200 years, French and German will be spoken exclusively in hell. What has brought about this collective suicide, which mocks all we thought we knew about the instinct for self-preservation? The chattering classes have nothing to say about the most unique and significant change in our times.
Spain's death-knell sounded long before the train bombings in Madrid, however. No country in the world is more determined to disappear. The country's fertility rate of 1.12 live births per female is the lowest in the world. As recently as 1975, at the death of strongman Francisco Franco, the fertility rate stood at 3 births per female in 1976. By 2050 Spain will have lost a quarter of its population. Germany and Italy, whose fertility rates fell earlier than Spain's, will lose a third, according to economist Anthony Scholefield.
Jose Zapatero's supporter in the street simply does not want to be burdened with America's distant wars, especially if they draw fire at home. It all amounts to the same thing. Countries too lazy to produce their next generation will not fight. Who will lay down his life for future generations when the future generations simply will not be there?
We are wittnessing the death of European Christianity. Suicidal behavior is common among (for example) stone-age tribes who have encountered the modern world.
But what reward does exactly offer the west to their young men for having children?, slave labor, misery, lost of properties and jail time.
Having children was a joy, after the western goverments socialized the benefits of having them but not the costs, become a burden, now having children is a total disgrace.
They have no ambition but to die quietly, no concerns except for those amusements which might reduce boredom and anxiety en route to the grave. They have no passions except hatred born of envy. The old Christian empire failed.
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“If the French had failed to defeat an invading Muslim army at the Battle of Poitiers in A.D. 732,” asks Ferguson, “would all of Western Europe have succumbed to Islam?”
Ferguson quotes Edward Gibbon on the subject: “‘Perhaps,’ speculated Gibbon with his inimitable irony, ‘the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.’’’
Ferguson points out that when Gibbon wrote these words in 1788, the possibility of a Muslim Oxford was “fanciful,” while today it is “less risible.”
Simple demographic changes are one reason. We’re all aware of the huge Muslim immigration into Europe. Europe probably can’t afford to decrease it -- with the medial age of European populations rising, and the birth rate falling, Europe will be dependent either upon a tax rate of something like 75 percent or immigration to keep its vast array of social programs, especially for the retired, afloat. Where but from Muslim countries will this come? But demographic shifts aren’t the only reasons that Europe today could reverse Poitiers:
“The prospect is all the more significant when considered alongside the decline of European Christianity. In the Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark today, fewer than 1 in 10 people now attend church once a month or more. Some 52 percent of Norwegians and 55 percent of Swedes say that God did not matter to them at all.
“What the consequences of these changes will be is very difficult to say. A creeping Islamicization of a decadent Christendom is one conceivable result: while the old Europeans get even older and their religious faith weaker, the Muslim colonies within their cities get larger and more overt in their religious observance. A backlash against immigration by the economically Neanderthal right is another: aging electorates turn to demagogues who offer sealed borders without explaining who exactly is going to pay for the pensions and health care."
Washington Post
Why should men attend christian churches?, are the judges and the politicians that throw men out of thier houses, steal their children, and forces them to perform slave labor for women christian or muslims?. Are there any church that supports custody rights for men?, any christian sect that that is opposed to the rights of women
to steal men properties and live parasitacally at the expense of men?, ..... no comment!!
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Actually, the Focus on the Family radio program I listen to believes in the old bible veiw of man and wife, which includes the wife 'submitting' to the husband. Divorce behavior is not discussed much as the focus is on intact families. I do not believe they are aware of the crisis going on in family courts, much as I did not until coming here. People still see child support as taking care of their own, not knowing the statistics. For every story about woman who uses a guy, people hear 2 or more stories of men who just abandon their families. Women tend to swap stories far more often than men. Until faced with the statistics, the impression is not a good one, and common knowledge is often the first believed and the least reliable. However I believe it was a Christian church who organized a march in Washington for fathers.
Also, since the creation of religion, man has been misusing power in the name of religion. One cannot make assumptions about the religion based solely on the behavior of some of its members.
The Biscuit Queen
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You are right.
Do not believe i am pro-islam or anti-western, but i see how things are degrading, having children for men was a joy when goverments did not placed their noses in their families, then become a burden, all benefits socialized and parents left with the costs, the consecuence a decline of fertility, what they do now?, give incentive to men to have children?, help them financially?, no, they take 60% of their wages after taxes, take their houses, for most men this all what they have after a whole live of hard work, and regarding rights no weven are allowed to educate them, so for what Fucking reason should a young man want to have children?.
For men children has only a meaning RESPONSABILITIES, and that means slave labor, chronical poverty, lost of properties, jail and in some cases suicide.
All these disgrace in order to allow some female parasites to live without working, to have custody of children without having to support them, to enrich themsleves using children as an excuse to plunder men properties and force men into slave labor.
The average guy or woman that goes everyday to the factory for a living and to support their kids reads that a female that never workes and paid taxes in her whole life now is awarded properties for several million and awarded "child suppor", (free money), of an ammount far beyond of what they make with their sweat.
But for Pete, the divorce trash collector is much worst, he sees that some poeple have children and do not have to work to support them, having them means the right to become a social parasite that lives without working at all, will get retirment but will never have contributed a single panny to the social security funds, and gets wealth that an average working man will not make even in five centuries at the factory, however for others like him means slave labor, poverty, the treat of imprisionment, lost of properties, constant debasment on the media while the parasites are placed on pedestals, etc, etc.
But what are the politicians, the judges, the churches doing?, nothing just worsening things.
"Divorce behavior is not discussed much as the focus is on intact families"
Thats why the christian not only do nothing, but gives support to the policies that enslaves men, child support , alimony, marital assets, and so on are used as punishment, they feel save as long as they are married, and hope they will remain that way.
Is Spain, a catholic country divorce was forbiden till 1978, and seen as a bad thing, in the islam however divorce has been taken place for more than eight centuries, so the islam unlike the catholic church cares and supports father rights while married and after divorce.
Meanwhile the slaugther continous, men are too pussified to fight for their rights, goverments are rotten, is like the prverbial boiling frogg, it has been litle by litle, but western men have been stripped from all their rights, reduced to mere working zoombies, are so conditioned to this second class status, that most even believe that women are the ones shortchanged.
Esther vilar Said:
"As absurd as it may sound, today's men need feminism much more than their wives do. Feminists are the last ones who still describe men the way they like to see themselves: as egocentric, power-obsessed, ruthless and without inhibitions when it comes to satisfying their instincts. Therefore the most aggressive Women's Libbers find themselves in the strange predicament of doing more to maintain the status quo than anyone else. Without arrogant accusations, the macho man would no longer exist, except perhaps in the movies. If the press stylise men as rapacious wolves, the actual sacrificial lambs of this "men's society", men themselves, would no longer flock to the factories so obediently"
That is how demoralized western men are, menawhile, feminits and christians press for the same things. For feminits child support, alimony, marital properties, is BUSINESS, for christians PUNISSMENT for "evil" men that had sex,( children), or want to have sex with a different woman, (divorce). Different reasons, same objectives.
So a man looks left and the messesage is "you must be an slave with no rights becouse women liberation bullshit", and turn and looks at his right and gets exactly the same message, "you must be an slave with no rights becouse a man gotta do what a man gotta do", and becomes even more demoralized.
So at that point one wonders if is worthwhile to try to work things out, or if western women and scoiety are allready to poisoned and too rotten to be repaired. Aboveall when one travels to north Africa, and sees how thing are over there related to men´s status and rights, or just have muslims friends or neigbours, it like men that rather than trying to change the mind of a spoiled american woman opts for foreingn bride.
I know people that are convinced that it is a waste of time, the west can not be salved, it is let it die, just turn into spectator mode and in any case rather than trying to convince christian churches and western women to respect men, convert to islam or at least become pro-islam and marry a non-western woman.
Why the effort if there is allready a civilization wich respect men, gives and protect men´s family rights?, why all the strugle trying to convince western institution?, why not rather get rid off them?.
Everytime one reads news like, : "judge offers man two options esterilitation or prision" or "sperm donnor must pay child support", one thinks, what the hell!!, Allah akbar!!
Take Care!!
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by Anonymous User on 03:59 PM September 12th, 2004 EST (#23)
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All and all, I still say that the ansewer lies in us telling as many men as we possibly can; "DON'T MARRY!"
Yes there ARE good women out there. That's not the problem. The problem is a BAD SYSTEM! not nesisarily bad women. (Allthough there are more than enough of those out there, too.)
As long as men are willing to marry, the systematic beast will be fed.
If men do NOT marry the beast shall starve. It can do nothing but.
The system needs men to feed upon and women and judges etc. willing to feed it. That is why it NEEDS marriage.
No marriage, no men, no system.
I feel it is just that simple.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I agree that it is as much the system as feminists and/or women. I have 3 main points to make
(1) The decline is not confined to Europe.
UN forecasts suggest that there will still only be ! Billion in the West by 2300 whereas the rest of the world will have a 3 Billion increase. US fertility, although better than European fertility, is still below replacement rate, let alone expansion rate. Canada, Australia, New Zealand likewise. Most countries are filling in the gaps by immigration which means a watering down of the culture. (Diversity seems to mean you have to respect everybody else's culture but they don't have to respect yours). The first world may well decline but the third world won't necessarily take it's place. In technology we may slow down or even go backwards.
(2) Christianity may not be the answer.
The appeal of secularism is the freedom of variable morality. This was championed by some as getting rid of hide bound morals. Some of the stuff from the 70s was about freedom from rules about men not having long hair, smoking cannabis or women having sex outside marriage. All of which seemed old fashioned. You are unlikely to get many in Europe to take to Christian evangelism. American preachers have tried and mostly failed. It now seems that lying, cheating and even stealing is not automatically immoral. Even the clergy aren't necessarily Christian now. For example the Church of England was summed up by the phrase "In 1900 the Church was in favour of fox hunting and against homosexuality. By 2000 it was the other way around". If you want Christianity in Europe send missionaries and expect one or two to be eaten.
(3) Just about everybody likes it
Part of the problem is that everyone seems quite happy about it. Both corporations and governments use politically correct adverts and policies to win sales and votes and have only short term policies and are perhaps even afraid to look at the long term effects, such as with pensions. Because corporations are now going global they are not particularly worried about any one country. Agencies like the UN are all PC now and they think it's fine because the human race as a whole will benefit from a reduced population and anyway they are liberating women. Feminists like it because it means more power and influence for them. Women are told they have choice, although they don't seem to have real choice about staying home and having babies, when they are told how that oppresses them. Men try to please women and don't want to oppress them by telling them they should do something, such as having babies and looking after children.
In fact all over, governments and media, there is a deathly silence about the population decline. Very few people know the facts and fewer still talk about it. They think they are doing the human race a favour, and so what if we have a few less babies and who would want to oppress women into having babies? Anyway it's much easier not to talk about it at all. If the few who both know and care don't get through then we could hear more about the lavatory seat than about a coming new dark age.
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Christianity is the problem, not only there is a strong correlation between juedeo-christian values and the explotation of males, like there is between puritanism and represive sexual laws, sexual harassment and rape shield laws, non existen in non prtestan christian countries, but i almost convinced that feminism does not exist.
Feminism is just a disguise for Christians to legalize punishment for certain male behaviors that would not been accepted under religous grounds.
The Christian moral tradition, this despising of the body and its evil pleasures of the flesh. The lures of Satan! The Christians basically incorporated this Platonic idea into their doctrine along with the rest of Plato and his mind-body dualism. In the Phaedo dialogue especially, Plato made clear that the lustful body is the source of evil and corruption, and that its pleasures are dirty temptations to the pure soul, and can only weigh it down. The soul aspires to separation from the loathsome flesh.
This despising of the body and its pleasures, such as sex, which Christianity has traditionally made into a sinful and guilty act, is still with us today.
Sex is as natural and necessary as eating, and yet, Americans have this strange obsession with it. I believe this stems mainly from the fact that sex is a forbidden and dirty act in Christianity, America's religion.
People who like sex are immoral. Men who desire women other than their wives are immoral, even though they are genetically programmed to desire them.
Christians view women as sweet, weak, dim, infantile and needy of protection under all circumstances. Meanwhile regard every single man in the universe as a potential rapist, and every woman alive as essentially honourable and incapable of evil.
Now lets think about it, Christian detest that people have sex before marriage, fascist as they are, thye are not happy enough to be free to apply those values on their lives, they would like to force everyone to do as they do, how could they punish people for having sex before marriage?, obviously not under religious grounds, so may pretendind to protect some vulnerable human beeings, women?.
The redifinition of rape to include almost all sort of sexual interactions with a man that women may regret any momen is not really just a christian punishment to men that has sex before or outside marriage?. What about sexual harrasment laws?, are really feminsts trying to spoil relationship between men and women or christians punishing any sexual related activity outside marriage?. What about pornography or prostitution, they do not lie it we everybody knows, but on wich ground is banned or tried to be banned?, not religious but becouse somehow it debase women, they portrait women as objects, etc, etc. you see is the feminism not the christian.
People who like sex are immoral. Men who desire women other than their wives are immoral, even though they are genetically programmed to desire them.
Could it be that the punitive laws of divorce are just a punishment for desire women other than their wives?. what about child support?, why married people are not telled by the christian legal system how many hours must they work to support their children and sent to prision if they do not, (child support), but divorced or never married people yes?, Coincidence again?, i don´t think so.
How many christians claim that men are not cannon fodder, (that is, not only boys must defend their country)?, NO ONE!!, they just say: " a man gotta do what a man gotta do", how many christians says that women must work for a living, or to support their children as men do?, how many feminits? none, coincidence?, i think not.
Fascists Christians has made that possible and legal, maskinging it as women´s rights, feminism is just a disguise, and have made that laws palatable to women to obtain their support, turning the punissment of the "evil" males into profit for women.
Are the same judges that take children from men, put them in prision, steal their properties, and force them into slave labor, the same judges that one can see praying at the churches on sunday?, are the legislators that one can see praying on those very same christian temples the ones that passes the laws that bring all this misery to men?, coincidence again?, i don´t think so.
"Fathers 4 Justice (F4J) scaled new heights at the weekend, clambering up scaffolding around York Minster to disrupt the Church of England's General Synod.
Dressed as monks, nuns and vicars, they invaded the proceedings as well as unveiled the apt message "In the name of father" on a massive banner. They say the church does not care at all about fathers rights"
There is more:
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, has branded the government's penal policy "scandalous".
The Church of England's General Synod voted to accept a report calling for prison to be used as a last resort. Dr Williams condemned the government for overseeing a massive rise in the female prison population.
Men however are just prision meat for this Christian. Rare or just coherent?, christian does not give a shit about men, men are just objects, not human beings.
Christians view women as sweet, weak, dim, infantile and needy of protection under all circumstances. Meanwhile regard every single man in the universe as a potential rapist, and every woman alive as essentially honourable and incapable of evil.
In countries with juedeo-Christian values men are not people, are not human beings, thats way they ignore their suffering, their propety violated sistematically, their reproduction rights not even recognized, their children stolen, their health neglected, etc, etc. Men are just providers, not human beings, just providers, that is slave labor, ofcourse they also very handy cannon fodder when necessary, they are taught to accepet this from the very same craddle, at the schools , at home, on the media and aboveall on churches.
And who is responsible of all this male misery?, feminists?, bullshit, the very same christian legislators, judges, busnissmen that makes the laws, apply them and control the media, the very same people that knows that those laws do not apply to them becouse they are "good" people, never had sex before marriage, think their wives will never divorce them, etc, etc.However litle by litle, one by one their lives are going to the tube too, they do not relise that the foundation of marriage do not exist anymore, women do not need to be supported by men, they are allowed to work, and marriage does gives absolutely no legal right to men, if men are punished to divorce women are rewarded, they are the ones that ultmately will be most punished by the very system they have created, as they usually marry non working women, with "traditional" values, traditional only regarding rights of women not obligation, women parasites men slaves.
Sumarizing:
For feminits rape laws, sexual harrasment laws, child support, alimony, marital properties, is BUSINESS, for christians PUNISSMENT for "evil" men, so men that not conform with christian values lost their properties, are forced into slave labor, their children stolen, and sent to prision. Different reasons, same objectives.
However, the more i think about it, the more i am convinced that feminist is just a smoke curtain, not even an oportunistic group, feminits is nothing but a disguise for christian fascists.
May be thats why the very same symbol of christianity and the values that represent is an agonizing male nailed to a piece of wood.
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"I still say that the ansewer lies in us telling as many men as we possibly can; "DON'T MARRY!"
Marry?, we can?, hey that news to me?, just kidding, MEN CAN NOT GET MARRIED BECOUSE MARRYAGE DOES NORT EXIST, period.
So does not mind if men want to or not, men CAN NOT MARRY, traditional marriage does not exist,
TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE: women have the LEGAL obligation to obey and serve men and in return men have the legal obligation to feed, cloth and shelter women.
What we have is a CRIMINAL CONTRACT that allows one person to become a parasite that profits from other human beeing labor in return of NOTHING, call it criminal contract, feminist marriage or SLAVE OWNERSHIP DEED.
Not only potential human beeings should not voluntarely sign any contract that turns them into slaves, but people that promote that sort of contract or that profit from that denigrating explotation of other human beeings should be sent to prision for the rest of their lives.
"Yes there ARE good women out there. That's not the problem. The problem is a BAD SYSTEM!"
Correct!!, It is as Nelson Mandela said: "I loved even my enemies while I hated the system that turned us against one another". There are also parasitic men, and they are as evil and despicable as parasitic women, but they are less dangerous because they don't have the support of the law.
"As long as men are willing to marry, the systematic beast will be fed. "
The system will remain as long as MOST men accepts being used as slave labor by women VOLUNTARELY, thats is they sign VOLUNTARELY the contract that turn them into legal slaves of women: FEMINIST MARRIAGE. (not traditional marriage, equalitarian marriage if would exist or islamic marriage), the only sort of MARRIAGE THAT EXIST IN THE WEST.
Thats why i wrote in another post:
FEMINIST MARRIAGE is a ZERO SUM GAME in wich men know before hand that they are going to lose, (wich some exceptions), so what kind of men play this game?, .........PATHETIC LOSERS, that afterwards cry, complain, become mad, puffffffff, but is even more pathetic than that, some of them while beeing married are proud gamblers and even dare to critizice others for not not do as them, calling them chickens for not playing, (read fear of commitment), i can only feel contemp for them, they got what they asked for. (1)
PD: Ok, Ok , sometimes i feel pitty, i don´t want Jenk to reprimend me again. ;-)
Take Care!!
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"Divorce behavior is not discussed much as the focus is on intact families. "
And how are they planning to force women to remain married, and not to have children out of wedlock?, death penalty for single mothers, or women that sign for divorce perhaps?, they do not have a clue, so single fathers and divorced fathers are left out the ecuation, (never under the Islam see the difference?, women that have children out of wedlock are stone to death in some countries, and as long as divorce existed for more than eitght centuries in islamic countries the islam cares about father rights of married and divorced men), becoming a divorced father is not a man can decide, same can be said about becomeing a never married father, choice just for women.
So all the say means nothing, all their effort are useless, feminist laugh at them, the only thing they say is that somehow, somewhere men did some evil thing and desereve what happens to them, may be if they would have been a litle bit nicer to their wives, work some more hours, or not forgot to make reverences before their presence, if just only would have bend a litle bit more under their wives presence, same story, men bad women good.
Crhistianity and feminism goes hand on hand, they view men the same way, different approaches same results.
All they are doing is at best a waste of time, they are making some men wasting their time thinking that they care, and have solutions, no they do not have any solution, more degradation, further explotation, at worst, is just a smoke screen.
Take Care!!
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