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Glass corridor?
posted by Adam on 09:01 AM September 10th, 2004
News Indianmale writes "India's top corporate (women) professionals are quitting their jobs to stay at home and take care of the kids. The story blames it on `social conditioning'. At another place, it also mentions the choices available to women - work (full time or part time), stay at home (for the kids or yourself), and the flexible working conditions offered by corporates (one year's leave, time off to attend an event in which her daughter participates). None of these choices are available to men. (Under the current law applicable to Hindus and Christians, the husband has a legal obligation to support his wife). The story is here"

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Hindus and Christians, the husband has a legal ... (Score:1)
by BreaK on 03:07 PM September 10th, 2004 EST (#1)
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No muslims??, jejejeje, i wonder why some religions retreat while other advance.
Re:Hindus and Christians, the husband has a legal (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 01:45 AM September 13th, 2004 EST (#7)
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I mentioned only Hindus and Christians because I know for sure. In India, separate sets of family laws apply to different religious communities, and I don't know the position in Muslim and Parsi personal laws. It's possible that the same rule (the husband should support the wife) applies there.
A scene from India's "Patriarchy" conference (Score:2)
by mens_issues on 08:51 PM September 10th, 2004 EST (#2)
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[A select group of patriarchal elders meets in a secret location in New Delhi]

Chief Patriarch (of India): So, gentlemen, what can we to to extend privileges for Indian men while further oppressing Indian women?

Senior Patriarch: Well, as you know, historically most Indian men have been given the privilege of long hours and hard labor for an average of perhaps 80 rupees (about two dollars) a day. This allowed men in India to enjoy being out in the workforce while their wives were confined at home.

Chief Patriarch: Ah yes, the beneficiaries of our patriarchal system.

Senior Patriarch: Well, now that some Indian men have developed professional careers with decent salaries, the accursed feminists have demanded that Indian women have a share in these jobs. I suggest that we follow the model of countries such as the United States by, shall we say, "giving them more rope to hang themselves." In other words, let them have a share of these jobs while still giving them the option of opting out for motherhood. That way many of them will be forced to leave their professional jobs.

Chief Patriarch: Excellent idea! Please give the Ministry of Labor in New Delhi an edict that women are to be included in the professional labor force of India. They will be unaware that we are deliberately setting them up for failure.

Chief Patriarch: The conference will be dismissed following the Patriarch's salute.

Chief Patriarch: [Raising his chalice] Hail to The Patriarchy!

Senior Patriarchs: [Raising their chalices in unison] The Patriarchy makes us strong!

[The Patriarchs quietly leave their secret meeting place and disperse in order to carry out their agendas].

Steve

P.S. I'm not implying that most women in India have traditionally had an easy time either - just that most men in India have had it rough as well.

P.P.S. I'm so anally retentive that I looked up the exchange rate for Indian Rupees in Google for one of the lines above. Got to be accurate, now!


Complaining? (Score:1)
by Hunchback on 10:12 PM September 10th, 2004 EST (#3)
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The article is typical: an article written by a woman bemoaning the difficulty of the choices of upwardly mobile women who choose to be mothers, all the while never acknowledging the fact that men, regardless of preference, are denied any choice. You know, "I have options, you have obligations; you just don't know how hard it is to choose. Poor me."

It would be amusing to see these princesses in situations where, as per their requests, they are relieved of choices.
Re:Complaining? (Score:1)
by Gregory on 10:17 AM September 11th, 2004 EST (#4)
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"You know, 'I have options, you have obligations; you just don't know how hard it is to choose. Poor me.' "--Hunchback

I agree completely, Hunchback. Options for women, obligations for men. And feminists in India, as elesewhere, teach women to ignore male sacrifice and focus only on the complaints of women (which of course are always the fault of men).

Whe I hear people lament that women in India are especially at risk, my impulse is to say "Only if you ignore male sacrifice and vulnerability."
Re: Feminism Only Allows Women the Victim Role (Score:2)
by Roy on 10:40 AM September 11th, 2004 EST (#5)
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The Indian article labels its nation's professional women's exodus from the corporate grind as a negative effect of "social conditioning."

If this were a U.S. piece about the same phenomenon -- professional women chucking the fast track for the mommie track -- it would be labeled something like "the corporate glass ceiling forces women out of the career track..."

In either case, its critical that feminism must reject the repulsive idea that individual women are making individual choices.

That would be the end of the feminist herd mentality, err ... "sisterly solidarity."

A professional woman CHOOSING to become a stay-at-home mother cannot be explained within the feminist mentality as anything other than a poor, deluded "victim."

That's because feminism has always seen motherhood as slavery to the Evil Patriarchy.

Just as feminism has never been about gender equality, it has also never been about true agency and individual choice for women.

One very obvious proof of this is the universal adoption of "no-drop" arrest and prosecution policies in the domestic violence industry.

Once a woman calls the 911 DV gestapo hotline, her personal choices and legal options are gutted along with the alleged male abuser's right to a fair legal process.

Moral of the story: feminism has demonstrated utter contempt for the individual rights and choices of BOTH genders.

One might suppose that this offers a platform for an intelligent solidarity among women and men; sadly, it ain't gonna happen.

There's too much power to be had and money to be made in continuing the gender war with all its subsidiary markets: the divorce carnival, the DV industry, the child support franchise, the women's victimization malls.

All courtesy of Feminism Inc.


"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." - Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
invisible men (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 08:32 PM September 11th, 2004 EST (#6)
She gets offers to go back to work full-time, but prefers her current arrangement. “I have the best of both worlds: the chance to do quality work, and spend time with my kids,” she says.

Women obviously experience work-life conflicts more intensely than their male peers, and are therefore, less willing to choose work over family.


I love that "obviously" in the last sentence above. It expresses so well the writer's ignorance of men's typical life experience and typical lack of life choices. As if most men are ever given a choice to choose family over work. Actually, under Indian law they could get jailed for doing that. Men of the world unite, you have nothing to loose but your chains!


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