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This has been suggested on this board several times, and personally, I think (as I always have) that it's an excellent one. The argument posted here by several folks is just general resistance to organizing. Further, you'll find that the men's organizations that exist will not be willing to share with you thier numbers. So when you go to the politicians, they'll ask you how many votes you represent and you won't be able to tell them.
If you get more than an ounce of interest, then count me in.
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Action . . . speaks louder than words ! ! !
Since f4j (fathers4justice) was formed in England - just 18 months ago, their activities, not least the Purple Powder attack on Tony Blair, both the leading political parties have started to take men's issues somewhat more seriously.
Albeit the group has grown to over 10 thousand in this short time, it is not enough to ensure a win at the polls. However, the continued embarrassment 'direct action' is causing, is already producing government papers to address issues - though not yet enough !
Clearly, men need to become much more active, if they seriously seek change. Unite, and secure the future.
Evidently, just 18 months of turbulence was enough to stimulate matters, so why waste the next decade or two ?
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Any such Political Action Committee for men should probably start out as provisional, as an official PAC requires filling out certain types of tax forms. I would need to understand the process better before making such a PAC official.
Is there any information out there as to how to start an official PAC, without violating some kind of law?
Steve
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I think this sounds like a great idea. Maybe we could attack the issue of child support. I've had this discussion with several men who pay support and think its outrageous, that we have to pay so much because there are dead beat dads who sit at home playing games and doing drugs at the age of 25 or greater. I think a fair support amount is responsible and most agree but when we can't pay our bills something has to be done. Maybe a nation wide strike to get our point across until something fair is resolved!!!!
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What if the NCFM were to team up with, say, the fledgling League of Men Voters to form such a MPAC.
Sounds like a good idea to me!
I have always wondered why there was not a League of Men Voters. It is high time there was one.
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by Anonymous User on 11:35 AM August 15th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Agreed.
What's good for the goose...
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If any of you have read this twice, I apologize, I'm new to this. I also think this is a great idea so maybe we could attack the issue of child support. The standards that are set are outrageous and agreed by millions. Not that we want out of child support, but just made fair so we can also live an enjoyable life. Maybe a nation wide strike by those of us who bust our butts day in and out supporting those dads who only pay fifty dollars amonth sitting home playing games and doing drugs will get the point across
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Actually the men who planned the Men's Rights Congress have been working on a questionaire to be given to politicians to both educate them about our concerns and also test their "male-friendliness." We have a rough draft now and are planning to start a thread here on MANN to let people have a look and get feedback and suggestions.
We had been planning to give it to senators and reps from maryland and virginia but if some of you are interested you could send it to your reps. We really need to find ways to force our politicians to take a stand on men's issues. Asking them "Are you with us or are you not." The ones who are with us will get our support and the ones who are not will find their competitors getting our support. At this point our politicians can simply nod their heads and say they are all for men. They can be in stealth mode...voting for VAWA and other sexist bills while at the same time nodding their heads and saying they are male friendly. It's time we put that to an end and forced them to take a stand.
Thread will be coming soon.
Do we have True Equality?
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That sounds like a good idea. If it helps, here are the questions that I have submitted to candidates in Colorado:
To [insert name here]:
I am an advocate for men's issues - an area that has been largely overlooked until recently. Men and boys are at a disadvantage in several areas in today's society, for example in education, divorce and child custody, health and safety, and domestic violence services.
While I'm not saying that women's issues are now invalid, I feel that there needs to be a counterpoint to the feminist agenda that has dominated gender issues over the past three decades.
Consequently, I would like to ask you the following questions:
1. There is currently an Office of Women's Health in the Department of Health and Human Services. Would you support the creation of an Office of Men's Health (S. 1028) to address disparities in health and safety issues for men and boys?
2. Men are victims of domestic violence in at least 36% of cases, but there are only two shelters for men in the United States, compared with 2,000 for women. Would you support amending the "Violence against Women Act" to the "Intimate Partners Violence Act" so that funding may be available for domestic violence victims of both genders?
3. Currently, circumcision (genital mutilation) of girls is illegal in the United States, as it should be. However, it is still routinely practiced on boys. Would you support the "Federal Prohibition of Genital Mutilation Act of 2004" which would give the same protections to boys as is given to girls?
4. Men are frequently denied access to their children in the wake of divorce by biased custody agreements. Lack of father involvement has been shown to be harmful to children. Would you support a standard of "rebuttable presumption of shared custody" for fathers so that they can remain involved in their children's lives?
5. Paternity fraud occurs when the woman of a child lies about which man is the biological father of her child, often for the purposes of collecting child support. This occurs in 28 - 30% of tested males. Would you support legislation that releases men from child support obligations in cases where non-paternity is established? (Currently this has been considered at the state level in some states).
6. Boys are lagging behind girls in education, particularly in reading and writing. Male enrollment in college has now dropped to 43% of the total (33% among African Americans), yet the education system continues to act as if it is females that are at a disadvantage. Would you support efforts to improve the educational opportunities for young males?
I would be interested in your response to these important questions on men's issues.
Sincerely,
Steven G. Van Valkenburg
For more information on men's issues, please go to:
http://www.trueequality.com/booklet/
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Steve, these are excellent. Short intro to the problem then a request for action. Nicely done. Do you mind if we use some of them?
Do we have True Equality?
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Tom,
Sure, go ahead.
Steve
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This is very well written, but if I could make a suggestion, perhaps this :
While I'm not saying that women's issues are now invalid, I feel that there needs to be a counterpoint to the feminist agenda that has dominated gender issues over the past three decades.
Would be a little less inflammatory if you didn't refer to the feminist agenda. How about :
While I'm not saying that women's issues are now invalid, I feel that while the law now protects women in endeavors that have been traditionally male, while men do not have equal protection under the law in areas that have been traditionally female.
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Please get the final draft of this questionaire done so I can send it to my Congress critters. I sent my Congressional Representive a Fax, one to his local office and a copy to his Washington office, about supporting the Men's Health Office bill presently in the hopper but going nowhere.
This is an election year! So it is a prime time to make our voices heard.
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Sorry this is off topic, but I thought you might find this interesting:
It took awhile, but I received a letter of apology from Rubin Postaer and Associates regarding the Honda Pilot ad "Wolves" (the one where the wife says her husband was raised by wolves and he acts like one). Rubin Postaer is American Honda's advertising agency.
The letter is as follows:
"August 13, 2004
Dear Mr. Van Valkenburg:
We thank you for your letter. We apologize and do not intend to offfend anyone when creating a Honda advertisement. The Honda Pilot ad, "Wolves," will not be running in the future. We have created new advertisements for the Pilot in 2005.
Rubin Postaer and Associates is American Honca Motor Company's advertising agency, and we appreciate your feedback. We take these coments seriously, and work with American Honda Motor Co. to properly handle these situations.
Again, we apologize for offending you with our advertisement.
Sincerely,
Chuck Valentine
S.V.P., Honda Account Director
Rubin Postaer and Associates
2525 Colorado Avenue,
Santa Monica, CA 90404
(310) 394-4000
www.rpa.com"
Thanks to all of you who also wrote a letter of complaint to Honda about the Pilot commercial.
Steve
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by Anonymous User on 04:14 AM August 17th, 2004 EST (#13)
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It is interesting that Santa Monica, represented by CA state senator, Sheila Kuehl would be the place this letter comes from. Respect for men's rights in politically correct Santa Monica is at the bottom of the barrel.
If you want the cock roaches to stay out of your kitchen, leave the light on. It will help, but the insidious filth will still be scurring about in your walls waiting to infest your life with their plague. Kind of like the misandry that comes of out radical feminist minds and the places that harbor them, wouldn't you say?
Ray
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