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Father "abducts" his own child?
posted by Adam on 02:33 PM August 12th, 2004
News CJ writes " Well the media went into "full alert" over this story. Here is a story about a father trying to keep his child while his wife was trying to get a restraining order against him, and he suffered injuries from her, yet he is the "kidnapper." The the police with full headline news coverage from the media in MA (both knowing that the father had the child anyway as cited in the police reports) enacted a state wide Amber Alert. Was this an alert for the safety of the child or an alert to citizens that men have no rights? The whole time the father had his own child, yet he is a criminal? There is a serious issue with the way the media covered this story. It seems that any tactic to make fathers/men look bad is the the goal. I bet this man - who is an immigrant- will suffer for this... Welcome to the U.S."

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Nice Spin (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:56 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#1)
Whoever wrote this put a nice spin on the article. The boy is 19 years old!! And it is his FATHER. I thought you could not kidnap your own child.

apetr
Bad Post (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 02:58 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#2)
19 days old, not as I thought 19 years old.

apetr
Amber alert is NOT for custody cases (Score:1)
by LSBeene on 03:14 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I have read that Amber alerts are NOT to be used when it's "dueling parents" or a custody issue.

Also, imagine if a woman had grabbed her child and taken off .... anyone think the reporting would be REMOTELY similar? I don't, IMO.

Remember Massachusetts, where I am from, is a HARDCORE Fem National Socialist (Feminazi) state. Rememeber the article advocating Paternity Fraud? It was written by a woman who used to be an "Child Support" Enforcement Counsel.

Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
mother vs. abductor (father) (Score:1)
by Hunchback on 04:11 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#4)
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It has been like this for many years before Amber: if a mother takes the kids and disappears, she is said to have left the man; if a father takes the kids, he is called a kidnapper. The presumption for the mother is so strong that the police and courts never question this double standard.

Using a full-scale Amber Alert just shows how far this bias for the mother goes. Even if the two were married, this travesty would have gone down the same.

The only good that could come out of this is the organized protests this action could foment.... ... ... ... ... if we had any kind of organized voice.
Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:1)
by thatold55 on 04:54 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#5)
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I do not like the Amber Alert system. It reminds me of Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury's classic, not Moore's garbage!), where the state declares fireman Montag a criminal on the run, and all citizens are asked to step out on their lawn to help in the search and capture of Montag, and to be sure and watch the evening news for footage of the capture.

When I was younger, I assumed that Farenheit 451 was a horror story about the excesses of the reactionary conservatives. I have since changed my opinion. It is a horror story about totalitarianism, but of the left, not the right. Same comment about Orwell's 1984. Thought crime, redfined words, proscribed words, etc.

Everyone should re-read both of these books and compare the state policies described therein to the modern liberal agenda.


Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:28 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#6)
Orwell gives a critique of heirarchal power structures...he was against marxism just as he was also against capitalism....

p. george
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 06:39 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#7)
to add further...power is what is reactionary. Those in power are forever reacting against threats, however big or smal, to their power so as to keep things the way the are. The status quo...Power is inherently oppossed to progress, or change, because progress/change threatens the heirarchal power structures existence, functions, and means to the privileges of those in power. Both systems have this hierarchal power structure. And so both system will always be reactionary because both system have people in power who will naturally be oppossed to losing their position in society...

p. george
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:2)
by frank h on 07:10 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Therefore a powerful person who is comfortable with change, can affect change and still maintain power, carries magnified power.
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 09:50 PM August 12th, 2004 EST (#9)
people in power are not comfortable with changing things from the status quo because they ARE the status quo...therefore those in powerare not comfortable with chang of anything that does not benefit themselves in their self interest...Orwell was influenced by anarchism...which says power corrupts...

p. george
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:1)
by thatold55 on 12:41 AM August 13th, 2004 EST (#10)
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All right, then. So what do you think of the Amber Alert system? Is it a good thing or not?
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 08:44 AM August 13th, 2004 EST (#11)
bad thing- if used against fathers... this is the point here.
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:1)
by thatold55 on 11:15 AM August 13th, 2004 EST (#12)
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So you have faith that government can generally be counted on to use the Amber Alert system judicously and in a non-discriminatory manner? I believe that this tool will be used to cause much more mischief than good. Child abduction by Mr Stranger-Danger is quite rare. It will be interesting to analyze the alerts to learn how many activations are triggered by stranger abduction, and how many are custody battles.

The actual cost of the Amber Alert system, and the potential danger of damage to society are too high. The Amber Alert System should go. Would you agree?
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:01 PM August 13th, 2004 EST (#13)

Yes, I agree.

However the liberal power elite and the media are unified on this issue.

Pretty soon we will have family-unit SWAT teams complete with lesbian commando sergeants and dumb ass sadistic cops doing their dirty work against men/fathers if a neighbor hears any loud words being spoken... after all - words are domestic violence now.

1 of every 36 US men are on probation or in prison/parole right now. Most for non-violent crimes.

The matriarchy intends to make just about everything a man does - or does not do- a crime.

Vote against Kerry


Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:02 PM August 13th, 2004 EST (#14)
whatever the government does, however good people intentions are the government will use it to it's benefit to control people...that's the nature of power...

p. george
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 12:07 PM August 13th, 2004 EST (#15)
it doesn't matter who's in power...There will be still the problem of power, and the corruptness it will always bring...If it's not fathers being screwed, it will be someone else...

p. george
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:1)
by thatold55 on 03:35 PM August 13th, 2004 EST (#16)
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It is an old truism, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. To some extent, we need to be on guard for our liberty regardless of who is in power. But do you really believe that, for Americans, there is no discernible difference in philosophy between Democrats and Republicans? Or between liberals and conservatives? The difference is day and night. The challenge is to figure out a way of rolling back the horrendous inroads the federal and state governments have made in controlling our lives. Can you stomach each of us being responsible for ourselves, and not demanding interference by the government in our petty squabbles, i.e., who will get involved when Daddy flees with daughter Susie to prevent Mommy from doing the same? This is one of the big questions of 2004.

Most U.S. kidnappings are carried out by family (Score:1)
by thatold55 on 04:57 PM August 13th, 2004 EST (#17)
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According to this interesting article on the proects for America's Second Civil War, of the 700,000 cases of missing children reported each year, less than 2% involve actual kidnapping by strangers. Do we need the Amber Alert to assist in 134 cases per year?
Re:Citizens beware - Montag is on the run (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:15 AM August 16th, 2004 EST (#20)
Pretty soon we will have family-unit SWAT teams complete with lesbian commando sergeants and dumb ass sadistic cops doing their dirty work against men/fathers if a neighbor hears any loud words being spoken... after all - words are domestic violence now.

Gees! Where have you been. Those days are already hear. ANYTIME a neighbor calls the police because a couple are having a domestic dispute, the male will most likely be arrested if the police think they hear the male doing SOMETHING they can classify as DV. It's just another anti-male tactic, and its been going on a long time in California now.

All that is necessary is that the police think the male is causing the female to experience fear.

Warble


playing devil's advocate here (Score:1)
by crescentluna (evil_maiden @ yahoo.com) on 06:10 PM August 15th, 2004 EST (#18)
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uhm... Okay, here's the set of parents:
"I'm leaving you!"
"How could you??"
"Here's I am, on my way to get a restraining order - Oh my god! Let go of my child!"

I dunno, no matter the gender of the parent I can completely see issuing a kidnapping alert if the parent is leaving the relationship and the other parent takes the child away from them and they have no idea where the other parent and child are going. Though I KNOW that it wouldn't be treated the same if the husband/boyfriend was like "my son's mom just grabbed the child out of the carseat, I was on my way to see a divorce lawyer, I have no idea where they are!" still, it SHOULD be.
Re:playing devil's advocate here (Score:1)
by Hunchback on 07:17 AM August 16th, 2004 EST (#19)
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Just as stated in my post above: if a mother takes a child and disappears, she has merely left; if a father takes a child, he is a kidnapper. This is true without any court order in evidence, and has been true for decades.
"Survivor" producer to rescue kidnap victims (Score:1)
by thatold55 on 12:40 PM August 16th, 2004 EST (#21)
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Here is some encouraging news (not!) demonstrating just how endemic and serious the crime of parental child abduction has become. Check out this story.

The intro says law enforcement personnel are being used, but the fine print shows these are all "retired" law enforcement personnel.

NOW JOHNNIE, TELL US WHAT FINE PRIZES OUR VICTIMS HAVE WON...

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