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Well based on the sparse information available on their site I fear they are already displaying a liberal bias in managing submissions. In analysis I saw no reference or content that I would classify as slightly to heavily conservative, but I did see one reference I would classify as heavily liberal (Gay Marriage) and indeed their brief editorial on the subject leads me to believe that their personal social and political positions will influence site content. Additionally there were a number of other subjects that appeared to be be approached from a left point of view. (Why Terrorism, the use of the term "fundamentalism" in a way that makes me think it's being used as a catch-all for anything the site operators disagree with (standard liberal behavior)... EXCEPT when we're talking about terrorism, in which case we need UNDERSTANDING, implying that it's our problem not the terrorists (another illogical liberal behavior).
I don't mind liberal articles as long as they're balanced by conservative ones. I personally don't agree with EITHER ideology and I'm very sensitive to those that purport to be neutral yet are unable to maintain the substantially unbiased viewpoint I have (hence the term Radical Moderate)
The web doesn't need yet another partisan also ran web site... and I fear that's what you've got there (hopefully I'll be proven wrong).
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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They've accepted a manifesto from my buddy Dean Esmay, who is in no way liberal-feminist. So that's a hopeful sign. He also struggles with ideology!
He's here:
http://www.deanesmay.com/
T______
"A woman needs a man like a fish needs the river."
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After an email from one of the Change This sysop's I'm going to change my opinion from critical to reserved optimism. It appears they are attempting to put together at truly non-partisan site (tough job that) and I'm going to reserve judgement until they open up shop in earnest. Hopefully they'll make a few changes to the framing of their content that will prevent others from coming to the same conclusion I did.
The only other format concern I have is regarding subjective judgment of submission fittness for publication, and I think if Trudy keeps us informed on how she's doing perhaps we'll get some insight into the process. A biased submission process will quickly become obvious by observation of content.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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by Anonymous User on 06:33 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#7)
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IMO it really doesn't matter whether a site has a left or right slant. What should mattter to us is whether or not there is an evenhanded approach to gender issues. The men's movement is/should not be identified with any ideology, indeed mens activists are liberal and conservative, urban and rural, come in all races and socioeconomic classes, and are both men and women. In this regard it is much like the fathers' movement. Effforts to peg it politically only weaken it and make it a more convenient target.
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Agreed, my point however is that agenda based websites are a dime a dozen, and generally a waste of my time as they're more often interested with indoctrination and polemic rather than discourse (of course the one exception for me are mens rights sites because in that I'm definitely NOT unbiased) I've never been to the moveon site nor have I been to any republican equivelant... a site purporting to be a clearinghouse for cogent thought is lying to itself if it launches with such a bias.
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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Again just a note to say that it appears the Change This site may actaully hit the intended target of being a neutral moderator as opposed to an advocate. They could prove an interesting forum for MRA's who can put together solid arguments (people like Trudy).
Dave K - A Radical Moderate
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"What other area of social services exists to serve one segment of the community while blaming another for the problems they purport to address?"
Affirmitive Action.
Or was that meant to be a rhetorical question?
I don't feel terribly strongly for or against affirmitive action, it's just the thing that sprang to mind from this question.
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What I was talking about here were organizations, such as private charities who provide services of some kind. sorry if that wasn't clear.
TWS
T______
"A woman needs a man like a fish needs the river."
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by Anonymous User on 05:55 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#6)
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"In addition, while many organizations have rudimentary programs for male abusers, female abusers are hardly acknowledged. Ignored entirely, and frequently claimed by shelter advocates not to exist at all are those who are addicted to violence. Sometimes referred to as “serial victims,” these women are enabled in their addiction by policies of the programs in service today."
The truth of the matter is the domestic violence industry is inciting and actually creating violence against men, while at the same time denying services, then falsely accusing and furthering battering male victims. Let's not mince words the domestic violence industry is a hate movement.
Ray
(click) Working the Domestic Violence Scam
(click) Any Excuse Works for Women to Commit Domestic Violence
(click) Battered Man Syndrome
Please do not scroll up the page of linked item(s). All I am trying to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 08:45 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#12)
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(click) The First Known Presidential Victim of Domestic Violence
Reference: The Inner World of Abraham Lincoln, by Michael Burlingame, November 1994, Pp. 277
An excerpt:
"Mary Lincoln also took the broom to her husband according to Hillary Gobin, a neighbor of the Lincolns' in the 1850s. Mrs. Gobin recalled her mother saying that Mary and Abraham Lincoln "were very unhappy in there domestic life, and she was seen frequently to drive him from the house with a broom stick."(70) As a young girl, Lizzie DeCrastos visited the Lincoln home with her mother and observed Lincoln flee out the door as his angry wife attacked him with "very poorly pitched potatoes." A servant girl recalled that one day as Lincoln prepared to leave for Taylorville, "His wife ran him out [of the house] half dressed - as she followed him with [a] broom." Lincoln told the servant "not to get scared" but to go into the house and fetch him some clothes, which he donned and then "went up town through [the] wood-house & alley.”(72) In a boarding house soon after the Lincolns’ wedding, Mrs. Jacob M. Early helped clean Lincoln up after his bride, in a rage, had flung hot coffee in his face.(73) Jean Baker reports that Mary Lincoln “a hellion - a she devil,” drove him from home ... often and often.”(73)
and Pp. 278
An excerpt:
On election night in 1860, Mary Lincoln ordered the Republican presidential candidate to return home early or else she would lock him out. He simply took an extra key and let himself into the house. The next day, he revealed to callers that his wife had locked him out, prompting the first-lady-to-be to say, ”Shut your mouth[,] never tell that again.”(84)
The examples of rage and violence go on, “pulling his beard, hitting him with a piece of firewood and drawing blood,” are but two of many more notable examples.
In Linda Mills book, “Insult to Injury” she talks about the whole domestic violence industries tendency to project female violence on to males due to their own psychological problems. No doubt the domestic violence industry of today, had it existed back then, and had Lincoln been a common man, would have arrested Lincoln, and tortured him until he confessed to being a batterer, just like those evil devils do today with so many innocent battered men.
Sincerely, Ray
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by Anonymous User on 06:37 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#8)
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"...some shelter websites and other public information items seem determined to demonize and criminalize men, to the point where men have told me it feels to them like a legitimized hate campaign.
The women’s shelters will be quick to point out there is no exclusionary or hate speech intended, but rarely, if ever, has an established women-only program examined its public statements in light of the way they are received by those being accused."
Let's not mince words. The domestic violence industry is to men, nothing but a virulent hate campaign against men. Let there be no mistake about that, or call the persecution and violence against the blacks by the KKK a light hearted get together, and the Nazi progrom against the Jews a picnic.
"What other area of social services exists to serve one segment of the community while blaming another for the problems they purport to address?"
No disrespect intended Trudy, but "Duh," over 600 to 700 women's studies programs on college campuses across America, preaching hate and violence against men as their poitics/religion.
Women's Studies programs and their spawn, the domestic violence industry both work hard to incite hate and violence against men, and considering the 372% increase in domestic violence against men in California in the years 1988 to 1998 recorded in the Attorney General's report they are suceeding. Go to Page 6, Table 2. Also notice the 94% arrest rate for men in 1988 Why update useful propaganda when a lie will do?
(click) AG report
(click) Women's Studies Blames 1/2 the World
Ray
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convery is as the page comes up initially.
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by Anonymous User on 07:11 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#9)
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"Check a few websites for women’s shelters or advocacy orgs, and you’ll see a remarkably similar set of factoids presented as truth or proof of their basic attitude. “Only women are victims, only men are abusers.” The quote here is mine; I’ve never seen the statement published anywhere, but I have no doubt it is the guiding philosophy. It is very clear the programs have an interest bordering on fanaticism in serving their portion of those they could feasibly serve. However, some shelter websites and other public information items seem determined to demonize and criminalize men, to the point where men have told me it feels to them like a legitimized hate campaign."
What can I say, on a 4 X 8 sheet of plywood on the back of my truck that is?
Truck Top publishing:
CHALLENGE
FEMINIST HATE
PROPAGANDA
WOMEN'S SUTDIES
IS SEXIST & HATEFUL
AGAINST MEN
FEMINIST TRAINED
COPS & JUDGES
BATTER MEN
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
BATTERS MEN
& IS EXCUSED
If the police spent as much time looking for and gathering evidence as they spend fabricating and destroying evidence to rationalize their profiling prejudices, then there wouldn't be so many innocent men having their lives ruined by a feminist hate quota system that targets men with false accusations.
Ray
(click) Gender Profiling
(click) Victims Are Cheated
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page comes up initially.
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by Anonymous User on 07:29 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#10)
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"I’d like to know the reasons behind the stagnation and resistance to change these services demonstrate. Why have they not recognized the realities of domestic violence as it exists in the 21st Century? Why do they cling so zealously to unsupportable data and continue to insist their view of woman equals victim, man equals abuser is the only correct one? And last, why is it they put so much energy into what is ultimately a destructive solution for a severely limited number of individuals?"
It all starts in the tens of thousands of women's studies programs on college campuses, and if the man-hating stayed there, existing in a vacuum in those liberal enclaves of man-hating, it wouldn't be such a huge problm, but like the the insidious virulent disease it is, it speads out into the larger communtiy and infects decent wholesome life with its evil, and pollutes everything good and decent it touches.
Ray
Stalinist Feminist
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page comes up initially.
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by Anonymous User on 07:51 AM July 31st, 2004 EST (#11)
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...abolish VAWA. It is a bad, counterproductive law, which has done much to exacerbate the previously existing problems in domestic violence services. When it was passed ten years ago, it was not intended to limit services to a fraction of those requiring assistance;"
Amen, VAWA is horrible law based on worse alleged facts. I can not believe this is America! Under VAWA, men are disposable.
Thank you Trudy for your hard work on this well thought out and precise article. The fact it wasn't published may well show the political power of the domestic violence industry, the true power of that evil. Yet, graciously, we are stronger.
Ray
(click) Men Are Not Disposable
Lastly,
(click) Prison & the Grave
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All I am intending to convey is as the page initially comes up.
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by Anonymous User on 03:24 AM August 1st, 2004 EST (#13)
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Maybe I'm being paranoid, but could that Phoebe possibly be the Phebe we know and despise so well?
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