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by Anonymous User on 02:42 PM July 31st, 2004 EST (#1)
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I don't think so. Can they carry two buckets of milk, and share in the hard work outside the house?
Ray
(click) Milking the Supermarket
Please do not scroll up the page of the linked iten(s). All the info I'm trying to convey is as the page comes up initially.
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I can't believe there are even men who still consider marriage as a worthwhile endeavor when compared to its risks. It amazes me these guys they are talking about are still "out there". I think the main reason some men are getting married these days at all is that they simply do not comprehend the risks associated with it. I'd say the second reason is that they have been brainwashed into thinking their lives will be happier, more meaningful, etc. by getting married. I see no evidence that this is the case at all. The only other reason I can think of is that they are programmed via socialization to want to play servant to a woman, and all that that entails (putting up with being used as an ATM, the nagging, etc.). Once that programming is undone, I can't see how any man would want to get married. But that unprogramming takes work and any given man must be ready to make the effort personally to do so. Cutting the apron strings to the "Great Mother In the Psyche" is not an easy thing for a man to do, but it can be done.
Hey, did you all catch this:
" “They say that your standards change as you get older, that you no longer go in for the flashy car or the flashy house,” she explained. “But I never did go in for that. It would be nice to have someone fix some things in my house, though.” "
So she wants a live-in handyman-- ie, a servant. How any man could read this sort of thing in a personal ad and not see it for what it is is beyond me. But like I said, the programming is in place.
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I see married men all the time who are miserable, and I can't see why they continue to be used as servants to the whims of their wives. Forget marriage, I can't even date anymore. Women are often condescending and rude even on dates, where they're supposed to be on their best behavior. They have their little checklist of demands. I have no patience for that BS.
Like you say, it's as if men have been programmed that they're supposed to be married and take on that responsibility as part of their manhood.
I've seen too many "nice" women go to the dark side after a few years. Take the house, money, the whole nightmare. It will not happen to me.
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by Anonymous User on 12:39 AM August 1st, 2004 EST (#6)
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"I've seen too many "nice" women go to the dark side after a few years."
Dorthy Vader, changling alien life form that rejected the force of her own nature and turned to the dark side. Now she wears a big black cape and a black nazi helmet to symbolize her philosophical outlook on life.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 11:32 PM July 31st, 2004 EST (#5)
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" “They say that your standards change as you get older, that you no longer go in for the flashy car or the flashy house,” she explained. “But I never did go in for that. It would be nice to have someone fix some things in my house, though.” "
If a man said something like "It would be nice to have someone around the house to cook and clean," he'd be seen as some kind of sexist jerk. Talk about double standards.
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I can't believe there are even men who still consider marriage as a worthwhile endeavor when compared to its risks. It amazes me these guys they are talking about are still "out there".
Gentlemen:
About a week or two ago there was an issur here about a web site called nomarriage.com. Also something else about a marriage strike on the part of men. I posted my comments and stated that these women always find men to marry them. Read the article, both of the women mentioned have found men while poor Angelo is getting no where. I just logged off yahoo personals. did a search for the cheyenne, wy. area. came up with 188 women searching for men and 437 men searching for women. As I said these women can always find men to marry them. there is no marriage strike. Men will fall into this trap forever. I wish the hell they would smarten up!!! I am a happy well educated successful business man bachelor of 54 that could probably pass for 40 because all of my life I have been void of the stresses of being married. Try it, you'll like it.
pete in nebraska
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by Anonymous User on 02:31 AM August 1st, 2004 EST (#8)
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Considering the proportional difference I wonder how many of the men who were snagged were snagged by women who heard the ticking of the biological clock and needed a sperm donor. When women get older they don't get so choosy. Men young and old are just looking for nooky. I wonder how many of these men are looking for relationships. How many for a booty call?
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I would also think that some of those "nooky" men post messages multiples times (possibly under different usernames and with different message content). Logically, using many messages with many different types of interests should get more responses than one limited-interest message.
Also, some of the women's messages may be prostitutes. Though, I believe most message services remove those when they find them.
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by Anonymous User on 02:49 PM August 1st, 2004 EST (#11)
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Back when I cared and wanted a relationship with a good woman, I wasn't looking for "nooky". Just a decent girl to be my life partner, have kids and a story-book life together.
But then I grew up and saw the light. The image I had of a male/female realationship contrasted violently with today's REALITY of gender relationships.
Now, (as someone else mentioned) I don't bother with it anymore. After a year after I decided to give up, I realized how fulfilling my life as a single REALLY WAS! It was the best desision I ever made!
I do NOT want to marry, and I don't even DATE anymore. I've got better things to do. (you know, like stub my toe or something...!)
So, yeah, I think there IS a marriage strike. Because I am a very real PART of it!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I would, respectfully, disagree that there is no "marriage strike". I don't think there is some conspiracy or unified front ... but SO MANY women's magazines, mainstream papers, and other sources of media report that it's hard for women to find men.
Are there more personals in the Yahoo? Sure, but that doesn't surprise me. Men are more into tech, geeky shit (hey, I aint makin' fun of nobody - I'm online obviously), and less afraid to take the leap to do something like that.
There's no "marriage strike", but American men have started to wake up and smell the Divorce Court.
And many men out there got burned the first time, and still try again. Hell, I would. But it would be a LONG courtship, and I'd get a prenup. PERIOD. Hell, even if SHE was rich, I'd get one.
Marriage has taken a beating, and there's too much evidence to say otherwise. A conspiracy or "movement" of men? Nah, just too many "war stories" and also these days there are tons of women willing to "put out" and not commit. So, BEFORE marriage the ball is definately in our court. Once you get hitched, for most men, you're at a woman's mercy if she decides to turn nasty.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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I got married despite the risks. With my eyes opened by websites like this one, I knew that the only way I'd have any rights at all regarding our (planned, eventual) kids would be to be married first.
Our second anniversary is in two months. We'd fit the statistics for women marrying down, as my wife has a masters degree in geology while I'm still nine months away from finishing my bachelors degree at night school. At the same time those education statistics can be misleading; I make more than twice the money my wife does, and while I had a positive net worth before we married, she brought debt to the table.
I did make sure to buy my house and my car before getting married. I had no idea how much more expensive marriage would be than simply living together.
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a higher-level degree does not always equate to earning more money. People who get those Masters and P.h. D's may end up doing low-paying research work.
On a slightly related note, I once heard/read that, before World War II, about 40% of Masters (or maybe just all advanced degrees) in Physics went to women and 30% of Masters in Math also went to women. However, I can't quite find a quotation on the internet for it. It may be that those statistics occurred during World War II, which would mean those high numbers are a result of war spending/demand.
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