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... same thing used to happen to me too when I rented. One time I actually had a prospective landlady tell me "usually I don't rent to young men but you seem so nice."
I almost got up and left right there but I needed a place to live. You can't, it seems, discriminate in housing for any reason except sex. It's good that you can't for any other reason but bad that there is one exception: sex. It is the only form of blatant, institutionalized AND accepted discrimination left in America - provided it is vs. men and positive for women.
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I hear that landlords can discriminate against lawyers. My management professor said that it was considered a good business (decided by the courts) decision for the landlords not to allow lawyers to rend their apartments/houses.
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Specifically prohibits the following acts.
"Refusing to sell, rent or negotiate with any person, or otherwise making a dwelling unavailable to any person."
"Changing terms, conditions or services for different individuals as a means of discrimination."
"Practicing discrimination through any statement or advertisment that restricts the sale or rental of residential property."
"Representing to any person, as a means of discrimination, that a dwelling is not available for sale or rental when in fact it is."
Of course there are exceptions to this but alot of people mistakenly think one thing when in actuallity they are violating this act.
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Ok, I am gonna support the landlord's position in a limited way, and I ask you listen to why.
I grew up with my mother working in property management. She managed properties in Texas, Massachusetts, in N.H., in CT. and Rhode Island. In the mid/late 80's she began her pinnacle job as president of the company she has seen grow 1000% (yep, by a factor of 10). I grew up helping out on sites, working maintenence, and working in both the rental offices and the corporate office.
Now that I've "qualified my bona fides" I have to say that there is a good reason why young men (18 to mid/late 20's) are discriminated against: they party too damn much.
Look, I'm just being straight here. And a lot of you guys are that age or remember well being that age: you partied a lot.
Now, do college aged women party? Sure, but men tend to be the ones who host "Keggers" (or that type of party). Wear and tear, other tenants dissatisfaction, neighbor complaints, police reports etc etc etc happen more often with men who are in the "Pre-30 years" bracket.
You guys KNOW I am passionate about discrimination against men, but as MRAs we gotta be logical, fair, balanced, and objective (everything our foes are NOT).
For men who are mid/late 20's and are young professionals (even if they work in the 'trades' - construction, factory work, what-have-you) THEN it's a VERY big difference in how they maintain their apartment.
Just give it some thought fellas.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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Okay, Steven, I sympathize with your position, but think back to the sixties when there was discrimination against blacks and others in the housing market. Everyone who undertook that discrimination was convinced that they had every justification for it, some through personal experience. Now there are laws and serious sanctions against thsoe who carry it out.
Discrimination is discrimination, and not every man throws keggers. And with all the lawyers out there looking to rewrite leases, there ought to be one who can write a lease that can get this under control in a reasonable manner.
I understand your position and I respect your experience, but it's still wrong, and the Fourteenth Amendment still applies.
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Now, do college aged women party? Sure, but men tend to be the ones who host "Keggers" (or that type of party). Wear and tear, other tenants dissatisfaction, neighbor complaints, police reports etc etc etc happen more often with men who are in the "Pre-30 years" bracket.
I agree but to an extent.You are painting with a very broad brush here! Yes, I know about the radical party dudes described above and they are not, at that age anyway, supporters of men's rights. They will be the ones in denial about their legal standing in matters of child support/custody, domestic violence, paternity fraud, biaised divorce laws and the rest. They usually wind up divorced and paying 50% plus of their gross income in support and be under draconian no contact restrain orders. Then it is the "deer in the headlights" stare when it happens and act like they never knew what hit them. They are in my opinion the male version of bimbos.
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by Anonymous User on 04:14 PM July 14th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"I have to say that there is a good reason why young men (18 to mid/late 20's) are discriminated against: they party too damn much.". There may well be good reasons for discrimination against young men. However, there were equally good reasons underlying the discrimination formerly experienced by women. Good reasons cannot now be used to justify global gender discrimination against women. Equality demands that they cannot be used to justify global gender discrimination against men.
Hotspur.
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by Anonymous User on 08:25 PM July 14th, 2004 EST (#11)
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If you can believe it I once was looking to rent an apartment with a buddy of mine, and the landlady, a lovely old woman, said to me "I only rent to men. Women don't take care of the apartments. The men I have rented to will fix small things right away instead of letting them go and costing me a fortune to fix later." Of course, she also warned us about excessive partying. hehe. We treated that place like a palace because of her trust in us.
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Steven, please give way for first-hand knowledge:
I owned and operated a considerable number of units, particulary for the Student market and younger professional. My experience is that females are positively "filthy brats" and it is males who actually give more care and attention to their living situation. If I could have got away with employing bias and prejudice in the selection of Tenants, then give me men every time.
John.
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by Anonymous User on 04:23 PM July 14th, 2004 EST (#7)
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Housing discrimination.
There are so many parallels between what men and fathers go through in this country and what blacks go through that it is not suprising at all that housing discrimination would be one of them.
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I was wondering if you were looking for an apartment on your own, or with roommates. I lived in the Northern Virginia suburbs of DC for nearly 8 years, and lived in several places with roommates as it was so expensive to rent a place on my own there. Only after I was able to afford it did I rent a condominium there (it was a bargain even at the time at $645/mo). On my most recent visit last month for the Men's Rights Conference, I had a look around the area again, and found that the average rent for an apartment was at least $1100/mo and housing prices had soared. I wonder how a lot of men in their 20s can even afford an apartment on their own there now.
Steve
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Yeah, I'm looking with a friend, also male. And we are in that 18-late 20's age group, but I don't think that should matter. If we break stuff - we don't - charge us for it. That's what a security deposit is for.
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by Anonymous User on 06:28 PM July 14th, 2004 EST (#9)
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Not just rentals. Me and my girlfriend (a decade ago) while applying to colleges had a few surprises too. I was a better student, achieved higher test scores and participated in sports. She got into some very good schools that flat out denied me. After graduation (we went to separate schools) I could not find good housing in the same area, everyplace she went the doors flew open for her. I had a degree in engineering; she had a BA in communications. Guess who landed a good job first...
It made me wonder what all the college bullshit about sex discrimination against only women was about.
Let’s face it that popular culture, society and all social and educational services view men as the pathological sex. We men make it alone by being irreplaceable in a skill set; otherwise women get deference in everything.
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I moved north to Massachusetts in 1996, and found a roommate through mutual friends. As the roommate was already local, she found us a place. Three weeks after we moved in she decided that she was dropping out of school to marry some guy in Alabama.
After she took off, I was cleaning out the rabbit pellets from the gaps in the floor in her room when the landlady's head appears in the open window. The landlady announced to me, "I don't rent to men." It took me a couple of minutes to register what she'd said as it seemed nonsensical. Hadn't she just signed a lease with my name on it? She'd met me before signing that lease, at 6'5" I'm hardly androgenous. She explained that she'd not believed us when we told her we weren't a couple, and assumed that she'd only ever deal with my now-vanished roommate.
Obviously with a lease I could stay there if I wished, but I wasn't able to pay for the whole apartment without a roommate. She insisted that only another female would be allowed.
The apartment was in a 2-family, with the landlady living upstairs with her husband and kids. I found out that in Massachusetts, resident owners of 2-family houses aren't bound by discrimination laws.
The last thing I said to her as she took the keys back from me at the end of the following month was, "When your children have grown, and it comes time for them to leave home, when the world outside seems a dark and dangerous place for them to live in, take a look in the mirror and know that you are part of the problem."
Still pisses me off, eight years later.
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by Anonymous User on 11:53 PM July 15th, 2004 EST (#17)
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Poetic. Great finishing line, man. Just perfect.
~John Powers
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