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Men and skirts?
posted by Matt on 11:33 AM May 10th, 2004
Masculinity Brad Pitt is suggesting that his new film, "Troy", may encourage fashion-conscious men to try wearing kilts/skirts in public at events. [ Click "Read More" for more ]

Once the avg. man feels he won't be diminished for wearing a kilt/skirt/whatever, or attacked by homophobes, he may just try it. The reason men's clothing styles are so limited is because of the western tradition of uniformity among males in appearance. It has to do with the militarization of the male person as well as the psychology of tribal inclusion. Women have this going on too but not nearly to the same degree since their persons are not militarized in the popular mind-set or culture. Something like getting men to try wearing skirts may in fact do a lot to help de-militarize the male person and thus help promulgate men's civil rights, which are in desperate need of defense. What do you all think? Please post your commentary.

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wearing a skirt to court (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 03:09 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#1)
It will be interesting to see if he's right. I doubt Brad will be wearing one anytime soon. Maybe at the Oscars?

One man wore a skirt to court in his custody hearing and told the judge he figured he'd be treated more fairly if he were seen as a woman. He wound up happy with the results.

Marc
Re:wearing a skirt to court (Score:1)
by BreaK on 04:18 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#4)
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Clothing has a meaning, the aristocrats did not dressed like their sefs, their clothes were dull, hard to last, roomy to allow movements, simple working clothes, completly different from the decorative, delicate and full embrodery garment of the nobles.

Can you see a female dressed with a factory blue suit going to a war more easily than a female whith a skirt, lencerie, make up and so on?.

Men are dressed to work, to serve, women to have fun, their clothing tells that they are aritocrats, the politicians must not see them as
usefull for duty or hard work, they are refined, not brutes, delicated, weak, like the pale nobles of the King Luis of France.

Men are the beast of burden as their garment clearly shows.

Re:wearing a skirt to court (Score:1)
by EvilPundit on 01:56 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#7)
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Well said, BreaK.

Though, all things considered, I still prefer my utilitarian clothing to the option of wearing frills and the like.
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Re:wearing a skirt to court (Score:1)
by BreaK on 03:54 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#8)
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Yep!! me too, i do not see my self with a skirt, or earrings and so on, but like too see that men clothing is becoming broarder, more decorative, more feminized thtat is more aristocratic like and less serf like.

Take care!!
Re:wearing a skirt to court (Score:1)
by dipy911 (dipy911@Nunya.com) on 09:12 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#11)
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I wear my KILT whenever I can. My boss has deemed it non-professional, so I have started looking for a more progressive boss at a new job. Wearing a kilt(skirt) doesn't mean anything other than I want to be comfortable walking around the town. If you think I am gay, that is your problem not mine(Inform your young people that laughing is rude).

You want utilitarian, get a kilt from Utilikilt.com. Best money I have ever spent.
Where did we lose "rights" to choose how we dress? (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:28 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#13)
"Yep!! me too, i do not see my self with a skirt, or earrings and so on, but like too see that men clothing is becoming broarder, more decorative, more feminized..."

I don't wear a Grecian skirt, or Scottish kilt, or other such male historical garb, but if I did I would consider it a statement of my right as a man to have the wide "CHOICE" in fashion and utilitarian clothes that women do. Historically as evidenced by the movies, "Troy" and "Braveheart," men have had that right. Where did we lose it?

We protested at a rape rally, where men dressed up in high heels (not us) to show sympathy for women's issues. The men at the rally were saying, "Walk A Mile In Her Shows." My comment to them was that high heels are unhealthy for all people, and that only unwise people wear high heels, and that nobody expects or demands anybody to wear high heels so stop abusing men by saying they do. Wearing high heels is a woman's right to chose so don't blame men for what women chose to do. They didn't like that, but I never heard an argument to the contrary.

I also told them, "We Don't Subscribe to the Feminist Model for Men, or For that Matter, Women.

Other dialogue took place that day, but that was the fashion related dialogue. The bottom line as I see it is, "Empower Men to Dress as they Choose!" It used to be a free country before the last 30 years of gender feminism.

Sincerely, Ray

Maybe someday I'll wear a Scottish kilt or Grecian skirt with this T-shirt,

(click) Men's Rights

(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)

Re:Where did we lose "rights" to choose how we dre (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:41 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#15)
"Maybe someday I'll wear a Scottish kilt or Grecian skirt with this T-shirt,"

By the way, the last time I wore shorts a "fashion critic" told me, "I've seen better legs hanging out of a nest." I hope he was joking, but it points out the fact that some people shouldn't wear certain fashions, because of the "inconsideration" of nature. That I think is a different issue, a fashion issue. Some fashions may not compliment certain people's unique physical look.

That fashion critic (slave to fashion) on SLN (Saturday Night Live) used to say, "It is better to look good than to feel good," however in my opinion," A man should never choose to be a slave to fashion as so many unwise women have done, while disregarding what is comfortable and healthy for them.

Sincerely, Ray
Re:Where did we lose "rights" to choose how we dre (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:44 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#17)
Men wearing skirts...?
Seems to me to be yet another step further on the road to feminize men.

My people used to wear breechclouts. It took the larger culture the better part of a century to get us to wear PANTS. My guess is, no matter how many centuries it takes few if ANY of us Indian men will ever wear a SKIRT.
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Re:Where did we lose "rights" to choose how we dre (Score:1)
by BreaK on 06:25 AM May 12th, 2004 EST (#23)
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"Where did we lose "rights" to choose how we dress?"

Never, just indoctrination from the cradle to the grave, indoctrinated to be best of burden, anf our clothes are coherent with this. Behave like a man, and all this stuff.

"Men wearing skirts...? Seems to me to be yet another step further on the road to feminize men."

It is not just about skirts, it is about societal roles, the working class clothing is a code, by the way think about the refine garments of Versalles nobles, if you would have tell them they look feminized, they woual hava laugh at you, and respond some thing like, sure patan or wahtever, your boring, dull confortable, (good to work), serf clothing is much better.

Men wear blue collar clothing, women white white collar, all sign all codes are important to mantain a strict society roles, to maintain the difference between classes, casts, military jeraquies, etc,etc,etc.

Take Care!!

 
Re:Where did we lose "rights" to choose how we dre (Score:1)
by BreaK on 06:35 AM May 12th, 2004 EST (#24)
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The attitud is also refletec in sex, lot of woman and men think sex is a favour that women do to men, a favour men must earn, this is reinforced by dressing differences, the dull and boring dressed of men and the rich, decorative and sexy outfts of women.

But this is changing, men knows women can enjoy sex much more than men, men value more their bodies, and start stoping dressing in like blue collar factory outfits, and voila!!, no madam it is me that is doing you a favor, in any case.
only need 6 words for this idea (Score:1)
by LSBeene on 03:13 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#2)
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"Put downt the crack pipe, Brad"

Sure, in "trendy Hollywood" for a known "chick magnet" to wear a kilt or some such is a fashion statement, but for most of us "normal" folks it's idiocy.

And if anyone thinks I am dissing the Scottish tradition of wearing Kilts: I AM SCOTTISH (I'm a typical American mutt).

Sorry, I'm just not that progressive.

Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
Re:only need 6 words for this idea (Score:1)
by MacKenna on 05:39 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#10)
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You had better not be dissing Kilts... ;)

I didn't take this username just because I liked the sound of it. Major muttage on both sides of the family with some Scots in the mix too. :D

The Kilt is not meant to be a "fashion statement". To wear kilts soley for this reason ultimately demeans their history and the men who wear them well.
Re:only need 6 words for this idea (Score:1)
by Kirran on 10:23 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#12)
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I wear a kilt to most social events, it is plenty of fun and you do get to meet many interesting women when wearing a kilt. Plus you can get free drinks that way :>

Plus I am scottish, and can attempt to play the bagpipes :P
Re:only need 6 words for this idea (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:46 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#16)
Sorry, I'm just not that progressive.

Being progressive is exactly what men's activist should avoid. The word "progressive" is nothing more than a code word for a leftist, communist, socialist, or liberal that loves to villify and criminalize males to grant special priviledge to females.

The term "progressive" was secretly created by communist so that they could identify each other easilly in public situations. You see, it was too dangerous to publically state that you had communistic views just a few years ago. So, they called themselves "progressives" to avoid being confronted as communist insurgents.

Warble

Re:only need 6 words for this idea (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 11:47 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#18)
Which is probably why most Democrats will not admit to being a "liberal", right?

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seen it (Score:1)
by crescentluna (evil_maiden @ yahoo.com) on 03:22 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#3)
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check out a goth club sometime, I see plenty of men wearing kilts or skirts or 'one-legged pant' as HotTopic's website deems them. Heheh, when a group of us were getting ready I turned to a friend and said "uh, Cory, why are you putting on your boots before your pants... except you probably aren't wearing pants, are you?" "nope! boots before bodice, m'dear!"
Perhaps it's just my friends. ;)
Re:seen it (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:04 PM May 11th, 2004 EST (#19)
All right, fine if American men, as a whole are gonna start wearing skirts, then My people's men are gonna go back to wearing loin-cloths, okay? Oh, yeah, free an' easy!(^_^)

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  "Hoka hey!"
As long as it's not compulsory (Score:2)
by Raymond Cuttill on 08:22 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#5)
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I don't think men are going to be wearing skirts en mass anytime soon. It's still seen as abnormal, rather like women wearing trousers back then. I still don't understand why women claimed trousers were more convenient, unless it was just they wanted to do what men did. Anyway I think it's more to do with pushing the movie.

Those who want to wear skirts can, but I am happy with ideas that may challenge the suit, black shoes, white shirt and tie "uniform" that men are often constrained to wear alongside women who are just told a vague order to be neat. I just might want to turn up at the offfice in jeans and t-shirt.
kilts are manly!!! (Score:1)
by jimmyd on 11:14 PM May 10th, 2004 EST (#6)
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hey man, i got no prblem with this after all a kilt with full gear looks very manly.
 
Re:kilts are manly!!! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 10:41 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#14)
hey man, i got no prblem with this after all a kilt with full gear looks very manly.

Exactly. There are skirts that have a manly look-n-feel. Then there is the fagot look. I'll stick with the manly look anyday to taking on the look of a priviledged female.

Warble

Re:kilts are manly!!! (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:05 PM May 11th, 2004 EST (#20)
Don't be a homophobe, okay?
Maybe not (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 05:20 AM May 11th, 2004 EST (#9)
When you work around machinery loose clothing becomes a hazard. Besides, can you imagine what would happen to a guy climbing a ladder? Most likely, instead of him filing charges on a female looking up his dress, he'd be up on sexual harrasment for daring to expose himself (even if he had underwear on).

Given america's war on men, I doubt we'll see men in dresses anytime soon. Hollywood, of course, is a reality all its own (a land far, far away).

As to wearing a dress to court, I really don't believe that's a tactic that would work twice. Most feminist judges would probably cite the man for contempt. How dare an upity male think he is above his lowly station in life. How dare a man so disrespect the court as to wear clothing not keeping with the decorum of the court room. Still, given California's gender liberal laws, maybe every man (including jurors) should start wearing dresses to court. Let's face it, it would be appropriate to the circus atmosphere with which that man-hating sham of justice is now conducted.

Maybe instead of dresses, men should all start wearing black robes to court and in everyday civilian life, just to show how little integrity, or special meaning that symbol of the judiciary has in the eyes of the public.

Ray

   
Re:Maybe not (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:09 PM May 11th, 2004 EST (#21)
I think I've said this before. but it may need repeating.
Why is a man dressed in women's attire a "TRANSVESTITE", but a woman in men's attire is a "FASHION STATEMENT"?!?

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Re:Maybe not (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 07:25 PM May 11th, 2004 EST (#22)
A friend of mine dressed in Judges robes for a protest, and then testified before a government body in the public comment time period still wearing the robes. I almost fell out of my chair when he began his address to that August governmental body with, "I'm not a cross dresser." I still get a chuckle thinking about it, even though everyone kept a straight face and proceeded with the utmost seriousness at the time.

Ray
Re:Maybe not (Score:1)
by BreaK on 02:26 PM May 12th, 2004 EST (#25)
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"When you work around machinery loose clothing becomes a hazard....."

Thats the point, women donīt do these work, women donīt take the dirty jobs, neither the dangerous ones, or the hard ones. Those are reserved for males, the way they dress tell that, we are the nobless do not espect us to fo any of those jobs, we can only take relaxed and secure jobs, most of the time part time some times no even work at all.

Their garment is sending a clear message to the rest.

example:

In a office your are the boss and need some help to do some dirty job, you have to secretaries one us a female, wearing a very delicate and nice dress, with make up, ear rings, high heel shoes, and a the male one wearing jeens , wich one will you ask to help you?.
I own a kilt (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on 04:52 PM May 19th, 2004 EST (#26)
made by Utilikilts.

The only people who have a problem with me wearing it is other men. But stuff em.

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