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by Anonymous User on 12:54 PM April 11th, 2004 EST (#1)
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This picture is of the war between the Greeks and the Macabees, occurring roughly 200 - 100 B.C., give or take a few decades. It depicts the war between the Greeks and the Macabees. The guy on the elephant, throwing the rock, is a Greek, and the guy spearing the elephant is Judas Macabees. The picture is from an engraving 135 years old.
(click) War is Violence Against Men
2000 years later this picture was taken of my uncle before he got a free paid vacation to Europe.
(click) Cannon Fodder
I understand the strategic importance of our military planners in Iraq (profiling combatants as males) and not wanting to let any of them slip out if they are insurgents, but does Society (theirs and ours) understand the insidious prejudice against all men that underlies the way we defend our nations against threats (real, perceived, or fabricated - depending on your politics or religion)?
Women believe that if they ruled the world there would be no violence. Since women have never been the majority in this world's highest power positions (elected, appointed, or seized), a refutation to their argument would lack the necessary straight forward, deductively logical facts needed to conclusively disprove their claim. Yet, we see that both Hillary Clinton and Diane Feinstein (among others) both voted for the war in Iraq. They will undoubtedly argue now that they were deceived into doing so by misinformation on WMD's. Some would still debate that point, but the fact is they still voted to send primarily men into combat, when they believed the chips were down. 45% of elected women from both houses voted to send men to this war in Iraq. 9 out of 13 female Senators (69%), and 23 out of 35 female representative (40%) voted to allow 98% men to be killed and injured in combat in Iraq when they thought the chips were down.
On the issue of the pre-emptive war in Iraq there were a total of 296 votes for, and 133 against. In the House of Representatives there were a total of 77 votes for and 23 against. I found this info to a congressional link on votenowar.org on 3/5/2004, but could not find it in the same definitive form, when I looked there today.
On the history channel yesterday I was watching a piece on the Civil War in which the commentators talked about the motivation of troops charging into antipersonnel cannon loads (canister shot). What horrors, what terrors men are forced to face in war is unspeakable. The show went on to say that of the 37,000 firearms recovered after the battle of Gettysburg, 24,000 were improperly loaded. 10,000 had been loaded with double charge and shot and would have led to gun explosion if fired. It was said that one of the main motivators for those men to go to certain death was their desire not to get a “white feather” from their wives and sweethearts back home. If true, and I don’t doubt it, every one of those men was a victim of domestic violence, because of the power and control exercised over them by the women in their lives.
(click) Batterings
For millennia it has been men's role to fulfill the expectations of their families, to provide for them. Societies have always made it men's role to defend society against things that would infringe on standards of living established by society. The time is overdue for that to change.
“Run Mr. rabbit, if I was an ole rabbit I’d be running to.” This is a close approximation of the words of a confederate soldier, spoken before Pickett’s charge at Gettysburg. He didn’t run. In this charge 15,000 men marched against heavily fortified union positions. In a matter of minutes 7,000 to 10,000 lay dead and dying. Sadly, such atrocities were not the exception. Roughly 2,000,000 men died in our civil war. Men are sent to war, men go bravely into war, then women’s studies blames men for all the world’s violence.
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked item(s). All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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by Anonymous User on 01:09 PM April 11th, 2004 EST (#2)
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A number of mensactivism folks wrote letters to the IWF, and they published a number of them. Good for the IWF, and good for free speech. Here's the link: Inkwell
and here's my letter, edited down, but largely intact. (It helps if you go read what they wrote 1st to see what we are responding to) I also cleaned up a few typos:
"I am a male member of the IWF. Please note that I am responding with a degree of sarcasm that I feel is appropriate to the disrespectful attitude in which the piece refers to men.....I think “they” (women) should be in the forefront of this and any future combat roles in this country’s wars, instead of just running off at the mouth about the violence of men, and the problems of men not meeting every need of women. Who knows, maybe men would be more civilized it they didn’t have to go to war from now on. Let’s find out. Send American women to fight all those bad, foreign terrorists who fly planes into our buildings, and the guys will just stay home, sit in their rocking chairs, raise the kids, and make comments about women’s barbarity as there bones are being thrown around some foreign, smoldering cauldron of war. When we’ve lost as many millions of American women in war as we’ve lost American men, then and only then should men even talk about lifting a finger to give ’equal’ support to combating our enemies who use violent force against us.
"My sympathy for these conservative male bashing females tends to wane, when they cry about leaving their children behind, and having to go fight in a war. They have reaped so much privilege from this country, and have faced so little life and death responsibility for our riches that it makes you sick. Why can’t they just quietly die in those wars, and send the child support checks regularly too."
Ray
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If a teenage boy tried to leave with his mother from Fallujah. Would marines take him captive as a enemy combatant, or just shoot him? How do you know if a male is a child or man? There never seems to be hard line for qualitifion in war.
And arent we fighting radical islam here? Shouldnt we strike at the root of the problem, and eliminate the women and children as well. How's a young little Iraqie boy gonna feel about his father being killed by US soldiers. We should kill the enemy fully, this game of mercy to some and none to others will backfire. The future of radical islam anti-america is just driving away.
Further, some advice for the women of Fallujah, have your males shave(if needed) and dress your men in your burkas. Then get them the hell out of there. Leave the ones that want to fight there.
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by Anonymous User on 05:39 PM April 11th, 2004 EST (#4)
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I feel sorry for Iraqi men, and for US soldiers, almost all men, who are facing death in combat in Iraq. I don't know what the solution in Iraq is, except to recognize the male aspect of the suffering.
Consider, for contrast, what "Amnesty International" has to say:
Violence against women is the greatest human rights scandal of our times. From birth to death, in times of peace as well as war, women face discrimination and violence at the hands of the state, the community and the family.
See http://web.amnesty.org/actforwomen/index-eng
The failure to see men's suffering is a huge injustice. Just noticing it is an important start.
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by Anonymous User on 09:09 AM April 12th, 2004 EST (#6)
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I seriuosly question letting women leave, too. In Iraq (and Afghanistan), women have shown that they are quite capable of being combatants. They are running suicide missions and, at times, have been found carrying weapons side by side with the men.
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I read the article and could not find the text mentioned.
I'm feeling just a little skeptical about this one, I'm afraid.
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"Women believe that if they ruled the world there would be no violence."
To THAT comment and the notion that women would not be inclined to get aggressive over scarce resources I offer this challange. If you really believe THAT is so...go to Filleen's Bargain Basement in Boston on a Saturday morning and bring me the most prized dress from there UNSCATHED and THEN I will believe you.
My next little outburst of wickedness is this:-
NUMBERS CHAPTER 31 Verses 14 to 18 (after massacering all of the men of Midian and returning to the Israeli camp with all of the women and children as captives)
" And Moses was wrath with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands and the captains over hundreds which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them "WHAT?, YE HAVE SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? Behold, These caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Baalim to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. NOW THEREFORE KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HATH KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM. BUT ALL THE WOMEN CHILDREN,THAT HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM, KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES"
my,my...it would seem that times have changed.
Where pray tell did the American Marines get the idea that children are non-combattants? The USAF carpet bombed the perimeter of Phnom Penh for nearly a week and dropped three WW2's worth of tonnage in "daisey cutters"and failed to stop the Khymer Rouge. The Khymer Rouge attackers were all between the ages of nine and fourteen and their field commander was seventeen.
The twins Robert and Luther Thoo took command of the "Karen Army of God" at the age of nine. At any given moment 24/7 as many as 500,000 boys between the ages of 9 and 14 are firing weapons in various conflicts around the world.
How many suicide bombers have been women?
As Rudyard Kippling said
"If you're wounded and left in Afganistan's plains and the women crawl out to carve up what remains just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your God like a soldier"
He also said
"When a Himalayan Hillman meets a he bear in his stride, he'll shout and wave to scare the monster, who'll most often step aside. But a she bear thus accosted will rend him tooth and nail...for the female of the species is more deadly than the male......The Jesuit missionary to the Hurons and Chaqtaws, prayed fervently for deliverance from the torture of their squaws"
As I mentioned previously in this forum ALL of the matriarcal tribes found in the South Pacific were head hunters and cannibals.
It would seem that women get the best opportunity to be kinder, gentler, and more nurturing after the men have finished killing off the slugs that would devour their garden.
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