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by Anonymous User on 07:01 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#2)
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by Anonymous User on 07:22 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#3)
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This is not a hypothetical example. The famous case is of Carnell Smith, who is on a personal crusade to fix this state by state. He got screwed by Georgia and the US Supreme Court. Yes, the father was even identified, but he was still required to pay child support because he (get this) had established himself as father by paying child support. Best interest of the child etc. came into play too.
His Paternity Fraud website is badly designed, but it has some links and you can read about his case.
TLE
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by Anonymous User on 08:47 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#5)
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Carnell Smith's Paternity Fraud website isn't commercially slick, but has a inspiring personal feel. He is one strong man making a difference, and we should all be grateful to him.
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by Anonymous User on 09:12 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#6)
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My guess is that Mr. Smith has chosen to devote time and resources fighting paternity fraud in the courts and legislatures, rather than on the internet. Slick websites cost a lot and I seriously doubt he is flush with money, given all he has been through. Unfortunately, information on paternity fraud is hard to come by on the internet. I have yet to see one slick website on the subject. The paternity fraud movement needs to consolidate its resources and manpower into a single organization. And we need to recruit Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and Bill O'Reilly to our cause.
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Let me know, I can get you a few sites that are groups explicitly for this cause.
There are already some strong groups dedicated to this..
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 08:24 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#4)
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Mr. James,
Thank you for your service to your country in the Gulf War and in your drug interdiction efforts. You have suffered a gross injustice, simply because you are male. I hope that one day you and other men won't be treated so terribly badly.
Sarah
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by Anonymous User on 09:42 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#7)
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Sarah, I'll get hold of Taron and make sure he sees this. Very kind.
Marc
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by Anonymous User on 10:49 PM March 3rd, 2004 EST (#8)
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I congratulate this judge for having integrity, but why is he the exception? Why is it so rare to find a judge with integrity among judges?
Sincerely, Ray
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Because judges are politicians and politicians are whores.
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by Anonymous User on 07:57 AM March 4th, 2004 EST (#11)
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I've always said that judges are "pimps of justice" and that justice itself is the "whore," but I see where you could make a very valid arguement as you have stated, "that the judges are the truest whores."
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 01:18 PM March 4th, 2004 EST (#12)
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It must be a requirment to give up your soul upon leaveing law school.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:12 PM March 4th, 2004 EST (#15)
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It must be a requirment to give up your soul upon leaveing law school.
At least at the point where you become an advocate for femi-supremacy, or that you become a judical droid fabricated on the femi-suprimcist production line.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 09:58 PM March 4th, 2004 EST (#18)
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Yep.
Like I said, 'giving up your soul'.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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I am going to digress just a little in order to suggest a potentially very powerful counter strategy. First, let me say I am Canadian so there are variences in legal procedures between the US and Canada but what I am going to suggest would work in either jurisdiction because this strategy HAS worked in the past to force the issue of striking down Draconic laws....Ok to begin...the arguement that capital punishment deters murder is pure BS...FACT capital punishment failed to deter the theft of livestock. What got capital punishment struck down as a penalty for the theft of livestock was NEVER the conscience of politicians or judges...they were far too concerned with offending the wealthy and politically well connected cattle barons to afford themselves the luxury of a conscience. What DID change these draconic laws was the strategy of ALWAYS demanding a jury trial (rather than trial by judge) and ALWAYS using every step of appeal available. After a while it became impossible to find twelve people willing to kill someone because they stole a horse or a cow and the process costs became greater than the losses from rustling.
Once again we are being beaten because we are not willing to fight dirty!!! Everyone who goes to court has this naieve notion that justice will be done and if he behaves himself and does not upset the authority figures his losses will be most minimal...WRONG!!!! Plea bargains are about the cost/benefit of the prosecution procedure!!!!! MAKE YOURSELF THE BIGGEST AND MOST PROCEDURALLY EXPENSIVE PAIN IN THE A** THAT YOU POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE BY DOING SO!!!! If enough men do this the whole thing will get re examined purely as a cost/benefit consideration.
And can I ask a dumb question? WHY IN THE HELL HAVE WE NOT MADE THIS A PET PROJECT OF THE ACLU??? If even a small number of these cases made it to the Supreme Court as constitutional issues these laws would get struck down.
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by Anonymous User on 08:43 PM March 4th, 2004 EST (#17)
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I tried to get on the Michael Savage show to talk about paternity fraud but was consistently blocked by the screener. We need to FLOOD his show with calls and e-mails from thousands of paternity fraud victims day in and day out until he has NO CHOICE but to start listening to us. With Savage, Limbaugh and others on our side, we will begin to make progress. As long as the public is ignorant, we are screwed.
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Agreed!!! Whatever it takes when this becomes a grass roots grumble it cannot be ignored. Let's put our heads together for a doorknocking /phone calling/letter writting/chatting-it-up campaign...I'm in.
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by Anonymous User on 07:20 PM March 5th, 2004 EST (#21)
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We need to flood the emails of folks like Limbaugh, O'Riley and others.
If we make it so they CAN'T ignore us I think guys like that will get on board.
Since the feminists use the left for their agendas, why not use the right for ours?
As long as things get done.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 07:26 PM March 5th, 2004 EST (#22)
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...We also need to try and get through to FOX NEWS. It is said that they are "biased to the right" but I think they just aren't afraid to report things that are "politicaly incorrect" (like male victims of DV)
We could make great strides, I'll bet, with them reporting our causes.
Since the "main-stream" media sits on and\or ignores men's issues (and only reports WOMEN'S issues) FOX could be OUR sounding board.
Just a thought.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:27 PM March 4th, 2004 EST (#16)
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Taron James just appeared on Tom Lykis's radio show in Los Angeles talking about Paternity Fraud, and mentioned the National Coalition of Free Men.
I'm sure thousands and thousands of people heard this show as 4 to 5 is rush hour and Tom Lykis is very popular.
Thanks, Taron. Way to go.
Ray
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I am so proud of Taron. I'm in the military and wrote him a quick E-mail when his story first came out. He's a tenacious man and I am so proud of him working to help victims of paternity fraud.
GO TARON!!!
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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