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Way back weeks ago when reading interview comments by David & Goliath's CEO Todd Goldman, I just had a feeling this guy was going to be a major a-hole.
The new "Throw Rocks at Boys" game site is Mr. Goldman's way of sticking his tongue out and wailing "nanny,nanny,nanny... can't touch me!"
Round One of the game requires the (female) player to chuck rocks at a boy's head as it pops up over a fence. Ten hits and you get a flashscreen showing a semi-conscious boy with a bloodied lip and little girl fairies swimming around his googly-eyed head.
Round Two offers a girl in a rowboat dropping rocks through the water at a scuba-diver boy.
I didn't have the patience (or a typical nine year-olds X-box skills) to move up to Round Three.
I presume the boy drowns and you get a third round probably involving dropping rocks from an airplane, since that's the basic java scripting behind the interaction.
Maybe if you bludgeon enough boys, you get a free D & G tee-shirt?
This Todd Goldman is a real piece of work...
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 06:48 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#2)
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Todd Goldman is a jerk. Throw rocks at him.
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by Anonymous User on 07:08 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Way back weeks ago when reading interview comments by David & Goliath's CEO Todd Goldman, I just had a feeling this guy was going to be a major a-hole.
The new "Throw Rocks at Boys" game site is Mr. Goldman's way of sticking his tongue out and wailing "nanny,nanny,nanny... can't touch me!"
This is excellent. Now when some bitch shows up at school with the hate message it will be much easier to sue Mr. Goldman.
He isn't going to be able to say that he isn't inciting the creation of a hostile environment in our California School system with that game up. This guy is truly stupid. Somebody is going to nail his ass.
Warble
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by Anonymous User on 07:11 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#4)
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That's ok, let him play this. I find it humorous that this sucker has to resort to mind games to try to get back at us for killing 90% of his market. Let him play. His website is not selling in 3,000+ stores worldwide like his shirts were. I think we should avoid getting too caught up with his games and losing focus on the bigotry and misandrous public policies going on at the government level. We've slammed this fool to the point where he's only mudslinging now. Let him do it. It's great to keep knocking his stuff out of the market, but let's not let his stupidity become a red herring. Feminists will otherwise enjoy watching us divert our attention to his nonsense while they keep influencing government policy. We recently got San Diego County to hold a focus group on men's rights. Warren Farrell, NCFM-LA and other groups were there. This is a start. We should be focusing on this type of work at this point rather than chasing sick-headed websites that we can't change.
Marc
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Marc,
You're absolutely correct. Keep the focus where it belongs.
But if I can find a reasonably bright twelve year-old code hacker who can crash D & G's web site, I'm gonna offer to buy him a year's worth of X-box cartridges just to do the dirty deed!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 12:33 AM February 28th, 2004 EST (#16)
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"His website is not selling in 3,000+ stores worldwide like his shirts were."
In the game of basketball I believe the term is called "establishing presence." Thanks largely to Glenn, we have let Mr. Goldman, and a huge chunk of society know that there are activist men who have a voice, and we are here. When any male bashing captialist steps over the line there are legal and socially accpetable ways to call to the publics attention, any hostile and dangereous products that may come on the market. We did not even get to picket a single store and Glenn's campaign knocked out over 3000 stores selling boys bashing T-shirts.
I for one am going to keep looking for this kind of stuff. If I don't like what I'm seeing in my neighborhood I have a moral and legal right to protest it. I can tell you from the grocery store strike that has been going on for months in CA (over contract issues) no store wants to be picketed. It's just bad for business.
Ray
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I wonder if he would get the message if somebody got the java script for his game and edited it to be "Jew-boys are stupid"complete with German destroyer to depth charge the scapegoat and nazi bomber complete with swastika for round three.
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by Anonymous User on 01:20 PM February 28th, 2004 EST (#20)
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"I wonder if he would get the message..."
I doubt it and I certainly don't condone coming down to the level of D&G T-shirts to engage in that apparent lack of moral standards. Some people seem to be motivated by money instead of moral principal. Also, we would then be engaging in the very behavior we are working to correct, and I think a lot of Jewish (and German) people who are pained by those images of WWII would by hurt as well.
It is true that if we forget the past we are condemned to repeat it, but resurrecting past injustices to use them to wreak further injustices strikes me as not having learned from our history too.
Instead of fighting fire with fire in this case, I would just rather fight it with water. Someone has to show an example of what is proper behavior if for no other reason than showing our kids the right thing to do.
If I were Glenn's son, I would be very proud of "Dad" for having taken the moral high ground, and having taken his stand there instead of in the mucky quagmire of hostile prejudice that advocates of violence against boys appear to be standing in.
My cousin, the 2nd Lt., was a German/American who landed at Omaha beach a few days after D-day, then died 9 weeks later, while fighting in France under the command of Patton. An 88 got him. Based on his family being very decent people, I'd like to think Gene would also be very proud of Glenn's way of handling this, had he lived.
I think a far better T-shirt for little girls to wear, than the "Boys are Stupid Throw Rocks at Them" ones would be these:
(click) What can Women Do? Obviously, the Mothers who dress these little girls need to read this over and over again, becuase apparently they aren't getting it.
Sincerely, Ray
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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by Anonymous User on 03:38 PM February 28th, 2004 EST (#21)
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He (and the world) would get the false message that the Mens Movement is a bunch of nazi racist anti-semitic twats. Goldman has shot himself in the foot with his on line "game". We don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot as he did.
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Sorry I cannot agree. One of the reasons why so much ground has been lost is because men have been inhibited by that very sense of fair play and reasonability. It is sort of like a contest between a "Gentleman Jim"who predictably never varies from Marquis of Queenbury rules and a steroid fed three titted abomination who uses every dirty trick know to the WWF. The problem is we have been much too nice and much too reasonable and we have accomodated the enemy by sticking to words and deeds that have been easy to ignore.
Reasonable people are NOT the problem. Reason works well with reasonable people.
When you are dealing with unreasonable people FEAR is a much more effective motivator/demotivator.
So let me simply say this....if anyone is inspired to act upon this slogan and throws rocks at me, my grandsons, the sons of my friends, or anybody else who is male in my presence, that person had better have someone in their family or circle of friends who likes them well enough to spoon feed their toothless mouths and wipe their butt crack until such time as the plaster and gauze comes off their compound fractured arms and clavicles.
If the forces of law and justice fail to defend our right to security of person WITH ZEAL we just might have to do it ourselves. Now before anyone comes back at me with any admonitions about uttering threats or taking the law into my own hands I will simply say that I am a boy and I am much too dumb to grasp your legalese high speach. I simply react like any other dumb...but physically powerful brute that you might throw rocks at. Bull elephants and 800 pound gorrillas aren't terribly bright either but I wouldn't advise throwing rocks at them or the young they protect.
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It is sort of like a contest between a "Gentleman Jim"who predictably never varies from Marquis of Queenbury rules and a steroid fed three titted abomination who uses every dirty trick know to the WWF. The problem is we have been much too nice and much too reasonable and we have accomodated the enemy by sticking to words and deeds that have been easy to ignore.
here here!!
I've been watching men get their clocks cleaned for decades now, while they stubbornly stick to this "noble high ground" type of approach. As you said, it would work with reasonable people, but if people really were reasonable they would have rejected this nonsense long ago and we wouldn't have this problem on our hands.
How many men have gone into a divorce with this same belief in fairness, and come away feeling lucky to have their hide left? How many men have battled a woman in a "but I want it MY way" argument while she pulled every mean, betraying,trick in the world to fuck your mind?
I wonder how quickly women would stop buying this crap for their daughters if every time a girl showed up wearing one, that everyone in the vicinity began to throw rocks at her. That's what the shirt says, real equality dictates that the target does not change the message.
Attacks on his website would be a waste of time - he'll just find something else to put up. PC is only fatal in politics.
Where we really need to go after this guy is in his market and income - keep trying to destroy the brand and make it so hot no one would touch it. Blame and shame might work on mothers - "Why are you promoting hate speech in what your daughter wears?"
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by Anonymous User on 02:49 PM February 29th, 2004 EST (#24)
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If a black male made such tee-shirts, do we respond in such a way as to offend all black men?
If a white anglosaxon protestant male makes such a tee-shirt, does it make sense to respond in such a way as to insult all white anglo-saxon protestant males? If a jewish man makes such tee-shirts, does it make sense to respond by insulting all jewish men, esp since Glen Sacks is the main reason we won this battle, the first victory won by the mens movement.
I support mensactivism because I dont believe we should tolerate the attacks made on us because of our gender. But equally I dont support attacking men because of their race, religon, ethnicity, nationality, or political beliefs.
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Brother..God bless you...you are everything that I hold to be noble in MAN. But let me give you some insite in something that I learned being a KARATE coach (perhaps longer than YOU have been alive). I have on many occassions encountered rings in which the referees were so corrupt that a fair win was impossible. I would say to my boys "do what thou wilt". When the corrupt refs came to me to complain I would respond "this is the natural outcome of your corruption...save the bulls*** guilt and shame manipulations for gullible children in a Protestant Sunday School class...I and my students know better" It was THIS sort of reaction that made the game cleaner.
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by Anonymous User on 03:08 PM February 27th, 2004 EST (#12)
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I know you don't vote for a King, but let's do so, in this case, anyway.
I suggest that we vote Todd Goldman as "the King of Wussy-poopies".
...I'd like the honor of CROWNING him, personaly.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 08:10 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#5)
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I don't think there is any way I could win a negative contest with any person by engaging in negative behavior so I won't even try. Here is my attempt to present a responsible and sensible approach to treating boys with the respect that they deserve. Should little adolescent boys and girls wear these two T-shirts as well as their parents?
(click) Boys Are Intelligent
(click) Schools Should Also Care
Yes, yes, and yes, anywhere.
Sincerely, Ray
(Please do not scroll up the page of the linked items. All the info I am trying to convey is only as the page comes up initially.)
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Hi Roy,
I like the idea of the shirts. I think it's a nice response. Just a couple of editing nitpicks, though. Excelling, not exceling, I believe, and on the back of the "Boys are Intelligent," it should be "Boys," not "Boy's."
Severin
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by Anonymous User on 09:57 PM February 27th, 2004 EST (#15)
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I knew that but was just trying to make it look like boys were struggling in school by making intentional grammerical and spelling mistakes on the shirt (not).
Thank you for pointing that out. I should spend more time on these things, but then they never get done. I did nine T-shirts and the section graphic in a day on Wednesday. Thank you for your patience where I was negligent in mine. The truth be told I was only slightly above average as a speller, and really depend heavily on spell check to help my writing.
Sincerely, Ray
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this dick wad toddy boy better ot meet me in a dark ally he'll find out what rocks really feel like then. traitors like him make this world hell for my three little nephews
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by Anonymous User on 03:15 PM February 27th, 2004 EST (#13)
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Yeah, Madcap,
But you're making the assumption that Toad, er, I mean Tod HAS balls...!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Hmmmm....
Sure looks to me like that gutless coward Toad Goldman is upset that he's lost 99% of his market to us, and is kicking himself for going on "Bullseye" and having a REAL man, Glenn Sacks, figuratively kick his ass on TV and show the world what an utterly spineless man-hole Toad is.
(And, yes, Toad, I'm sure you're lurking at this site, to see what our reaction is, so yes, that's YOU, I'm calling a gutless coward. Real men don't earn blood money by defiling little boys. Toady-boy, you dickless Benedict Arnold, YOU'RE one step BELOW pedophile priests. At least THEY had an urge they couldn't resist; YOU'RE just a damn feminist, selling-out for money. Normally, I'd demand that you turn in your dick, but I'm sure that you can't possibly have one!)
Toad had his fun on his web site, so in that same spirit, I'd like to contribute a little song here, in (dis)honor of him. Courtesy of, and dedicated to MY SON, who learned it at school. Slightly modified for Toad Goldman. Sing to the tune of "Oh, Christmas Tree".
Chorus: Oh, Todd the Toad, Oh, Todd the Toad,
Why are you lying on the road?
You didn't see the GLENN SACKS truck,
and now you are a pile of muck,
Chorus
You didn't see those REAL MEN ahead,
and now you're lying truly dead,
Chorus
You're just a shameless, immoral lout,
and now your guts are spilling out,
Chorus
You were a coward, but now you're dead,
your back is marked with tire tread,
Chorus
Your company was so big and fat,
but now your profit is truly flat,
Chorus
To our advice you did not listen,
now on the road your bloods a glistening
Chorus, Chorus, Chorus (fade)
(*Disclaimer: This song is only parody, and is not to be taken literally. It is not meant to imply that any violence should be directed towards Toad Goldman.
But I can always dream, can't I?)
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by Anonymous User on 03:18 PM February 27th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Great, now every time I hear that "Oh, Christmas tree" song I'll think of Toad Goldman!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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If we handle this right it works to our advantage. By putting up this offensive game Toad has tipped his hand. All Sacks has to do is refer listeners and the press to Toad's website. People see the blood, see the bruises, see the violence. It reveals all of D&G's claims that it is not encouraging hate against boys to be the BS that it is. With this new piece of misandry Goldman has shot himself in the foot with his brass.
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