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I really wouldn't sweat this sort of thing too much...I remember a short lived TV series that was on at the high water mark of the Dworkin/McKinnon surge called "Lady Blue" (my masculinist buds called her "Dirty Harriet") This never smiling bee with an itch packed a Smith and Wesson 44 bulldog (which in reality would have broken her wrist and knocked her on her retentive anus from the recoil) while her boss...a fat euunnuc..packed a snub nosed 32 (implying of course that he had a micropenis) while she broke up gangs of macho men who held illegal "best man"fight competitions that were a front for illegal traffic in bull semen.....have no fear...no one is fooled by this...the young guys who go to see this do so strictly to oogle the catwoman's shapely butt in those tight outfits and any attempt at promoting feminazi propaganda is so pathetic that it even makes the old guard witches grind their teeth in frustration.
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by Anonymous User on 05:21 PM February 24th, 2004 EST (#2)
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I think that maybe it is a bit oversensitive to be concerned over dominatrix themes in movies. THe situation of a female dominatrix is often used as humor because of the obvious role reversal involved. However, even if this stereortype is offensive the whole dominatrix situation is a unique construct agreed upon by both parties. The man is being dominated because he wants to be and has asked for the women to behave in this manner. This is drasticly different from a rape situation. I think that reacting to every perceived slight by any movement ultimately destroy's it's credebility and blunts its effectiveness. Lets choose or complaints and fights.
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by Anonymous User on 06:11 PM February 24th, 2004 EST (#3)
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Well, I might not be so ready to critisize the "dominatrix scenero" if it wasn't ALWAYS a man as the target of "domination".
As I mentioned before, I did a search on dominatrixes and the SnM lifestyle. a search I don't have the stomech to do again. Anyway what I found was that there is actually a MALE version of a dominatrix, he is called a "dominant" or a "dungeon master" or just a "master". My point being that the "entertainment" media depict ONLY dominatrixes and NEVER the male equivalent.
It is always MEN bound, gagged, beaten and/or humiliated by whip cracking women.
I also found tons and I mean TONS of websites devoted to "women in bondage" much more than those devoted to MEN in bondage. alot of them, however were girl on girl "domination" and "submissive". I guess what I'm driving at is there appearantly is a large number of men who want to play the "dominant role", just as many who want to play the "submissive role". Despite this fact, the media only focuses on ONE fragment of the SnM life style to represent. and that is, of course the one part that is P.C. and is demeaning to men. Why? because our "entertainment" industry is in the buisness of de-humanizing, degrading and humiliating men. Why? My best guess is that the "entertainment" industry is made up primarily of "Wussy-poopie" men who are submissive themselves and LOVE being humiliated by women and LOVE to see other men treated the same, and ergo, try to push this notion on other men. Secondly there is no shortage of man-hateing female writers and producers in the "entertainment" industry who LIKEWISE want to see men as subhuman, submissive, spineless, groveling Uncle Tom, mouse-boys. Who flinch any time a woman moves to scratch her nose.
I am not, in ANY way saying that the depiction of "Male dungeon masters" is the remedy to the endless flow of anti-male dominatrix types.
BOTH images can be harmful. The thing is that young boys see this depiction and don't think it doesn't affect them, because it does.
If the "entertainment" media HAS to show this sort of garbage, why doesn't it show the WHOLE picture?, is partialy what I'm asking.
Personaly I think it is ALL garbage.
Male or Female, I think the depiction of "beating down" another human being is disgusting! I don't care whether it is CONSENTUAL or not. the image is the image and images have POWER! especialy when that image is repeated constantly.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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T-Cloud,
I think you have everyone here's respect as one of our best cultural and pop media critics!
I always look forward to your posts.
Your are insightful, balanced (bordering on charitable), and bang-on correct in keeping the focus on the mass media's subtle and not-so-subtle denigration of men.
Keep writing!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 12:12 AM February 25th, 2004 EST (#8)
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"I think you have everyone here's respect as one of our best cultural and pop media critics!"
Yeah man, I gotta say you do your research.
Even if it is on S&M : )
Actually I've seen some dominatrix porn on the internet. I don't get it all.
p. george
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by Anonymous User on 01:10 PM February 25th, 2004 EST (#10)
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Well, from now on I think I'll stick to doing research on M&Ms not S&M.
That stuff REALLY gave me the creeps. My God, what people DO to each other!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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> The man is being dominated because he wants
> to be and has asked for the women to behave
> in this manner. This is drasticly different
> from a rape situation.
I agree. HOWEVER, these movies are based on the worst male fear of being abused by a woman.
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by Anonymous User on 06:34 PM February 24th, 2004 EST (#5)
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Also didn't Thundercloud mention that in Eurotrip that Lucy Lawless has a teenage boy in bondage?
I find that particularly disturbing.
What would be said if a grown man had a female child in bondage?
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by Anonymous User on 08:17 AM February 27th, 2004 EST (#14)
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Actually , the teenage 'boy' had graduated from High School.
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by Anonymous User on 03:03 PM February 27th, 2004 EST (#15)
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Maybe so, but he was still a teen aged boy.
Again, just reverse the roles and see what would happen.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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JOKE...How do you charm the pants off a feminazi...
Answer:- (In a whiney milktoast voice say) "As a new sensitive androgynous male I just feel so ASHAMED!!!,,,and GUILTYYYY!!....(at this point pout your lower lip and cry)...would you like to pee on me?...I'm sure we would both feel much better"
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by Anonymous User on 01:15 PM February 25th, 2004 EST (#11)
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Maus,
You got that right.
By the way you just described how most wussy-poopies behave.
Good job!
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Hey, TC, just because you're oversensitive doesn't mean you're not right!
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No in fact he is very right. The reason why I posted that joke is because the original role model of that behaviour is none other than Count Leopold von Sacher Masoch (the namesake of the personality disorder called Masochism) Of all the crimes the feminazis are culpable of list sexual perversion first and foremost.
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by Anonymous User on 03:58 PM February 26th, 2004 EST (#13)
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>"Count Leopold von Sacher Masoch (the name sake of the personality disorder called Masochism")
...I didn't know that!
And I did TONS of research...!
Thanks for adding that, MAUS.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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