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This sorry TV episode of "Divorce Court" accurately shows the legal tyranny all men face.
In most states, maleness has already been criminalized.
Arriving in court for a DV false allegation, a divorce dispute, or a custody fight, the man is "presumed guilty" not innocent.
Every woman knows she can make one phone call and have her husband or boyfriend cuffed, jailed, exiled from his home (automatically granted Order of Protection), prevented from seeing his children, and legally ordered to surrender his assets and property to the "victim."
"Battery" no longer requires physical contact.
"Marital rape" can be alleged 30 days after any intimate encounter.
"Abuse" is anything that denies a female 24 x 7 satisfaction.
All men everywhere now live in a feminist concentration camp called the US-of-A!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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"All men everywhere now live in a feminist concentration camp called the US-of-A!"
That won't change, and it will get worse. It won't change until all men walk away and virtually shut down anything they operate, regardless of the cost. But, we know they will never do that. Don't we?
Disclaimer: Everything I post is of course my own opinion. If it seems harsh, Feminazis just piss me off!
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by Anonymous User on 07:02 PM February 11th, 2004 EST (#7)
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Like I said we women own your sorry asses now. get used to it.
Yeah men are our slaves. they deserve to be abused when they don't obey their supiriors.
It's not our fault you guys are so pussy whipped. So stop blaming us! You just come from infirior stock, it's the natural order of things. so live with it, you dogs.
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She/it can't even spell or construct a proper sentence, yet she/it accuses men of being inferior. She/it is not worth engaging in debate.
Steve
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by Anonymous User on 07:31 PM February 11th, 2004 EST (#10)
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And I thought MY spelling was bad!
At least I have a bit of an excuse, I haven't spoken English all my life.
What's YOUR excuse Gina TROLL-obrigita?
Didn't you get your degree from T.U.?
(Troll university)
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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She/it can't even spell
You can leave out the e and the /.
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You can leave out the e and the /.
but I like slashdot!
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by Anonymous User on 07:08 PM February 17th, 2004 EST (#33)
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Not all women do these things... just as not all men abuse and objectify women. Maybe the real problem is this rape culture we live in where is is ok to sexualize children and treat women as objects. I'm not saying that women are the only ones being treated unfairly- men are seen as the providers and protectors- and I can see how that is threatening if women can take care of themselves but if you look at the statistics (real ones...) you will see that men are harming more women than vice versa. Our culture and upbringing has intergrated sexism and gender roles into each of us. The problem is that men AND women get sucked into these roles. This is harmful to everyone. Men- You don't have to be violent, sport watching, beer drinking jerks. Women- you don't have to be a size 2 and put everyone first, you don't have to use your body to excel in everyday life, you don't have to be a bitch to get ahead or be a bimbo/idiot. People need to realize that they are hindered by these roles placed upon them by society.
Well, I bet everyone thinks I'm an angry-feminist-male-hating-dyke, but that would be ignorant. Don't be ignorant.
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Let me help you out here, 'cause you seem confused. And I understand why: you're a womyn's studies student aren't ya?
Ok, first off the things you list as women doing wrong are all "patriarchy" created. And therefore, ahem, not your fault. But, not to generalize, and I'm not sure you'll read this, but your nonsense deserves a reply. Let me break it down for you:
"just as not all men abuse and objectify women. Maybe the real problem is this rape culture we live in where is is ok to sexualize children and treat women as objects."
Lady, get a grip. I went into women's (and even womyn's) dorm rooms and saw hunky, skantily clad men on WOMEN's walls. And I've see the reverse. But it's ONLY men's sexuality that is somehow almost criminalized. Oh, and let's shatter your myth: do you see LESBIAN erotica and stories and such as "OBJECTIFYING"? Amd O notice the "sexualizing of children" happens when women molest boys ... but gee, almost no "women's studies" "professor" REALLY touches on that. And let's not forget LESBIAN molestors ... geeeee, not much press coverage there either cupcake.
Next piece of MSinformation
"I'm not saying that women are the only ones being treated unfairly- men are seen as the providers and protectors- and I can see how that is threatening if women can take care of themselves but if you look at the statistics (real ones...) you will see that men are harming more women than vice versa. "
Once again, it's "poor men can't handle strong women" LOLOLOLOLOLOL .... ummm, get over it. Ever watch TV? The movies? Seems our culture (oh, and that includes men too, case you forgot) is PAYING MONEY to see strong women in positions of authority. Not for that in and of itself, but as an accepted part of the plot. And since commerce dollars are CONSUMER driven ... guess what .. the public wants it. NOW, onto the "men are harming more women" ... according to WHO? The VAWA statistics? Let me clue you in to how this MSinformation works. They don't REPORT the men that are hurt. You don't know shit about how the DV system in this country works. That lesson would take about 3 pages. According to NON Advocacy studies, women engage in, initiate, and participate in AT LEAST 40% of DV (if not higher). Get a clue and stop being spoonfed advocacy stats ... everyone over the age of 25 knows what I'm talking about, maybe you just need to open you eyes.
And your list of women's faults ... wow what a surprise here. All "patriarchy" constructed, albeit with some vague reference to "be a bitch". Nice. Why don't you list some REAL issues women do to men, instead of that softball, warm and fuzzy crap.
Stop paying for an "education" (read: indoctrination) that only qualifies you to flip burgers.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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This one is really boring. At least UHave2bejoking was interesting. She tried to make some semblence of real dialog. This one is just really sad. I think my 8 year old could come up with better insults, more accurately spelled as well.
Maybe Lorainne could come over here. Pretty bad when Lorainne starts looking good, but she is interesting and can spell.
The Biscuit Queen
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Yup. Loraine at least is somewhat lucid.
Disclaimer: Everything I post is of course my own opinion. If it seems harsh, Feminazis just piss me off!
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"Everywomen knows she can make one phone call and have her husband jailed" says the poster. Well that is no god damm joke, I have just recently seen exactly that in my own neighborhood!
One day the police are there hauling his stuff away.
On another note I went to the local post office today. Next to the door was a big poster about identity theft. It showed a man covering up the picture of a young lady on a piece of her ID. Of course it has to be a MAN who is the bad guy stealing her identy. And when I go to the post office all I seem to do is hold the door for women, hell there are times I feel like a door man.
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by Anonymous User on 03:59 AM February 12th, 2004 EST (#18)
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"And when I go to the post office all I seem to do is hold the door for women". Why do you hold the door for women? It's because of chivalry. Why do judges throw men out of their homes? It's because of chivalry. If you are willing to discriminate in favor of women then why be critical of judges who do likewise?
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They are so arrogant, and so little public attention has been given to these judges for such a long time that they don't realize how a TV show like this will HELP us.
Besides MRAs no one knows how bad it is until it's too late. And a show like this shows 2 things:
1) How arrogant and unfair the judges are towards men. And how the smirking woman had NO FEAR of making a false report.
2) How men are REALLY being treated in divorce court, as it happens, in case after case, on TV. I am REALLY surprised that the feminists didn't fight this hard hard hard to make sure their dirty little gulag courts were not covered up.
Believe it or not, this is a victory.
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 09:57 PM February 11th, 2004 EST (#13)
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The presiding judge of Fox TV's "Divorce Court" actually wrote a letter of support for NCFM and addressed paternity fraud and other issues, and she testified in favor of our paternity fraud bill. Her letter is at
www.ncfmla.org/pdfdocs/commissionletters/judgemabe lean.pdf
Am I confusing the wrong show? If it was judge Mablean then that's a little odd. There's always the faint possibility she was trying to let the public know about the unfairness men face, or perhaps she's just inconsistent or she's with us only on certain subjects.
Marc
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Marc,
I gotta ask you. This is the second link you left I cannot access. Both times it was the NCFMLA pages. Is it members only or ... well, is there something I am missing. I really wanted to read and look at the site, but both times I got the "not authorized" page. What's up?
Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
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by Anonymous User on 01:12 PM February 12th, 2004 EST (#22)
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I just noticed the link I gave above had a gap in it. But the site is working, and no "membership" required. The site is at www.ncfmla.org. The "In The News" section is ready to be updated, as is the entire site, but our webmaster has been flaking and not responding to us and so it's taking a long time to get the site transferred to the right hands so we can update it. I guess that's part of volunteerism. Expect serious updates hopefully in a few months. Thanks for asking Steven.
Marc
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Thats why html is your friend.
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It would be interesting to get copies of the video tape of this episode and resell them as instructional. Ray, you interested? (Seriously)
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by Anonymous User on 11:48 AM February 12th, 2004 EST (#20)
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"There's such a thing as equality, and you're getting most of it."
If that's not Orwellian, nothing is. I almost fell out of my chair at the forthright hypocrisy.
You know, there could be another way to read that statement. And it would, in fact, be somewhat Orwellian as well. Remember the line in Animal Farm "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others."
The judge could be saying there is such a thing as equality and you're getting most of said equality. Based on other things the judge said to the woman it would not be too much of a stretch that her hands were tied by the divorce laws to award the woman most of the material wealth and was letting her know that she didn't really deserve it.
Just a thought.
Zoso
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by Anonymous User on 12:50 PM February 12th, 2004 EST (#21)
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Of course feminists want an equal amount of equality for everyone. They want women to give up female duty but retain female privilege. And to ensure equality for men, they want men to give up male privilege and retain male duty. In this way everyone has a fair share of equality. The trouble with us men is that our excessively logical minds makes it difficult for us to grasp these concepts.
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Despite being grammatically challenged and having apparently flunked her office typing class, the Troll eloquently revealed the true spirit of feminism.
Mindless... vicious... illogical... vile ... all about subjugation of her fabricated "oppressor."
I commend her for this small courtesy!
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on 07:27 PM February 12th, 2004 EST (#24)
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Well, you know what they say; "Give a troll enough rope..."
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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by Anonymous User on 12:20 PM February 13th, 2004 EST (#25)
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If you're saying that I'm a feminist troll, you couldn't be further from the truth. I'm all man and quite anti-feminist. Maybe not as rabid about it as some on this board, but I assure you I've had it up to the gills with the anti-man shit that comes down the pike.
Perhaps I didn't express myself as well as I could have. Or perhaps you didn't read what I said as well as you could have. Or perhaps a combination of the two. So let's review...
"You know, there could be another way to read that statement. And it would, in fact, be somewhat Orwellian as well. Remember the line in Animal Farm "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others.
"The judge could be saying there is such a thing as equality and you're getting most of said equality."
-- Did you read Animal Farm? What I meant here is to make an analogy something like "All people are equal, but some (i.e. women)are more equal than others." The book is a critical analysis of the Russian revolution told through an uprising on a farm where the animals take over. The line was originally written into the bylaws as simply "All animals are equal." But as the communist party (as represented by the pigs)assumed more centralized control over the people (the other animals), the bylaws were rewritten to say "All animals are equal. But some are more equal then others." It's a very powerful line in a very powerful book. It is, in fact, the way the book ends.
I attemped to extend this to the feminist movement as a whole. They started out, I believe honestly, with the notion of equality for all. This was back when the movement was known as "womem's liberation". Many men, myself included were onboard and thought it was a noble cause. But somewhere along the way, women's liberation morphed into feminism. And suddenly some people were more equal than others. Now we're realizing that it's not about equality at all and are starting to revolt against it. This web site, and you and I are all a part of the backlash.
"Based on other things the judge said to the woman it would not be too much of a stretch that her hands were tied by the divorce laws to award the woman most of the material wealth and was letting her know that she didn't really deserve it."
--- What I meant here, based on things the original poster said the judge said - I didn't see the show so I can only rely on descriptions related in the thread... Maybe, just maybe, the judge sees the injustice in the divorce laws and was letting the woman, and the viewing audience, know that the woman didn't deserve what she received in the settlement. But because the laws are written the way they are, the judge had no lattitude in the matter.
That is what I meant by what I originally wrote. I'm sorry if you didn't understand it that way. It is my fear that the Men's movement will end up simply mirroring the worst aspects of feminism. Having a huge chip on our shoulders and looking to be offended where no offense is intended is one way it can happen.
With regard to my grammar, typing, mind and logic, well... Who put the fucking bee in your bonnet?
Zoso
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by Anonymous User on 04:12 PM February 13th, 2004 EST (#27)
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You don't sound like the same person we are refering to as a troll.
The person we're refering to is a worse speller than I am, and keeps saying things like men are dogs and deserve to be treated as such.
I don't think you are the same person.
So if I attacked you, i apoligize.
Plus, you sighned your post. The other person who IS a cowardly troll has NOT, to my knowledge.
Sometimes it gets confusing with all the anonymous posters.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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On the forum, there is a drop down list box which is titled "threshold", with a list of numbers from -1 to 4 in it.
If one selects anything above -1, the trolls post is effectively invisible: Which is why Zoso would have thought that you were responding to his post.
Zoso, turn the threshold down to -1 and you'll get a better view of the discussion. Higher thresholds allow you to filter out a lot of noise, but it can be confusing sometimes.
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by Anonymous User on 10:14 PM February 14th, 2004 EST (#31)
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Yeah, That sounds like what probably happened.
Again, sorry, Zoso.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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It is ironic that we are spending billions and losing soldiers everday (mostly men of course) in Iraq under the pretext of liberating the oppressed people of Iraq. While at home we have these tyrants in black sheets destroying men's lives and turning them into virtual slaves! Surely the heavens will darken and their hubris and devine judgment will come. But until then most of these oppressed men will just roll over and take it. Pop a cool brewski and watch ball games!
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