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From a historical perspective this should be an interesting series to watch. From a men's activist's perspective this should be a very interesting series to watch, because the trailers show men of that time in a very negative light, violently attacking female suffragettes and opposing them. I suspect such overtly negative portrayals of men will help to further fuel today's vilifying stereotypes of men. I suspect such imagery will help to further fuel the kind of male oppression that is so feverishly being advocated for through Women's Studies Programs on College Campuses, and through Women's Commissions, which are active in our political and government arenas (to name but two hotbeds of radical feminism).
By the way the term "Iron Jawed Angels" comes from the hunger strike the suffragettes staged while in prison. It seems no one had ever picketed the White House before, and they got arrested for that. In one of the trailers they show some women inside a government building unfurling a banner in the presence of Woodrow Wilson. The seamstress skills of those early suffragettes was evidently of significant use to them in their cause.
I am eager to see this series to see what political tactics and strategies the suffragettes employed, but I am equally eager to see what portrayal HBO gives to the suffragette's political ideologies, and how historically accurate that is. I will not presume a liberal Hollywood bias, but will watch carefully for any instance of that, since there is reason to suspect it, based on the track record.
There are a number of well established actresses in this series: Julia Ormond, Angelica Houston, Hillary Swank, Francis O’conner. and others.
There is an old saying which says, “That he/she who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.” I will be watching this series intently to see what mistakes men and women of that time made in dealing with women's activists of that time. There were a number of issues in the women's activism of that time that intertwine into today's more radical feminist movement so I will also be watching, studying this docudrama intently to see how those issues have led to further oppression of men and the further striping away of their rights.
I can only wonder when the day will come when a series will be done showing the oppressions males have faced, just because they’re males. Let us make sure that the history of men’s oppression, in all its forms, is not the legacy we leave to a future generation of disempowered males."
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by Anonymous User on 01:12 PM February 8th, 2004 EST (#1)
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O.K. this story has been up here for a few days and no one has said a thing so now I'm just going to engage in a little dialogue with myself.
Remember, this program will be highly praised in women's studies courses on college campuses acorss America. Remember, you will be seeing the "birthing" of women's studies and modern feminism in this series.
I'll be wearing this T-shirt as I sit in front of my tube next Sunday Women's Studies Blames 1/2 the world,
I'll probably spill ice cream on it after a commercial or two so just to remind myself that I'm not a mysoginist I'll watch the rest of the show wearing this T-shirt:
Women of All Ages,
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 02:21 PM February 8th, 2004 EST (#2)
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Actually, the series seems like a load of feninist *****. It is men who are disenfranchised in to-days society. We may have a vote but in most elections we have no candidate to vote for who reflects our views. Even if there is a mens rights candidate he is marginalised by not having the backing of one of the main (feminist controlled) political organisations. Further, the femedia ensures he gets minimal publicity.
The title "iron jawed angel" is a classic feminist title. Thus the early suffragettes were sufficiently "iron" to get the vote and get plum jobs in the armament factories. However, they remained sufficiently "angelic" to avoid going to the trenches Instead these "angels" ran around giving white feathers to any men who opposed the first world war.
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by Anonymous User on 02:12 AM February 9th, 2004 EST (#3)
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I'd like to 'white feather' them.
Thundercloud.
"Hoka hey!"
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Those are all your shirts, right? You know, the ones with the shameless links? ;-)
They look great! I am glad you have gotten them going. Are you still making them at home?
I think I may tape that show as well, if I can get Dave to stop by the storage unit and get the VCR...
I can't do it myself because he has my car!
hint hint...
It looks interesting. I just saw also an ad for new herstory books-if the subject was a woman or minority an almost fictional, heroic story is published, if the subject is a white male then a 'true, warts and all' account is written. I was disgusted at the double standard. I am sure Harriet Tubman, Sitting Bull and Louisa May Allcot have skeletons in their closets just like everyone else, and to give them the same glossed over treatment they slammed white men for recieving, while simaltaniously 'debunking' the heroism of white men is deceitful. Either make them all heros, or give them all a warts and all treatment, but keep it equitable.
And I had to hold my tongue at the time because my friend was right there and I have been making progress-I knew she wouldn't get it as she was crowing about how great the books were. Grrr.
The Biscuit Queen
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by Anonymous User on 11:02 PM February 9th, 2004 EST (#5)
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"Those are all your shirts, right?"
Jen:
Yes. We're still setting things up, but we now have a good start. Here's the link to the main page:
MENSBIZ
Click on any of the 6 main icons at the top to see T-shirts, etc. under that category.
We put some of our favorites right on the main page under the shop icons.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on 11:20 PM February 9th, 2004 EST (#6)
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"I think I may tape that show as well," "It looks interesting."
Jen:
Here is a link to an article that was in a local L.A. paper: PREVIEW OF HBO's Iron Jawed Angels It appears some local feminists and their ilk got a sneak preview. I know little about the history of this time so this will be a learning experience for me. Unfortunately, I fear the politically correct spin of our modern time, and my own victimization at the hands of the radical feminist agenda will weigh significantly into my initial viewing. If I can stomach it, I would like to study this showing and do my own "History vs. Hollywood" interpretation concerning the facts surrounding these events. I think this will also add to books I am reading/rereading like "Red Feminism":
RED FEMINISM (click on link)
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