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Men's Issues - Valid Grievances, or Just "Whining?"
posted by Adam on Wednesday December 24, @12:34PM
from the Make-an-unyielding-stand dept.
News Ray writes "Are today's activist men, in today's men's movement, following, lock step in the same "whining," complaining patterns of the "militant feminists of past decades as this author would have us believe, or are they marching to the tune of a different drummer with valid issues completely unique to the real oppressions they are facing? Is their activism just "whining" or do they really have valid grievances?"

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That's Karen DeCoster's crap (Score:1)
by zenpriest on Wednesday December 24, @02:03PM EST (#1)
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she has been thoroughly deconstructed over on MND. Don't give her a click - it just makes her crap more valuable to the advertisers.
Re: Karen DeCoster's crap quotient... (Score:1)
by Roy on Wednesday December 24, @03:45PM EST (#4)
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Ms. DeCoster is a real whack job fem poseur who writes vacuous puff pieces that she has deluded herself into believing are substantive social commentaries.

She has no discernable critical faculties and her screeds are typically self-contradictory, hysterically illogical, and unintentionally quite comical.

Most of her rants read like court transcripts of testimony from someone suffering from acute multiple personality disorder!

But if you want to have a predictably ridiculous "flame war" for your personal amusement, send her an e-mail (it's on her web site)and tell her what a pathetic pretender she is as a social commentator... or just merely disagree with something she has written.

You'll be treated to a reply from her that's guaranteed to contain unimaginative profanity, sophomoric self-aggrandisement, and banal attacks on your person, with not a little poorly disguised misandry tossed in just for balance.

Lacking the appropriate mental health interventions, I fear DeCoster will continue along her chosen scrivener's path of obsessive narcissism and flatulent pontification.

A double-dose of "Beano" might set her right....

PS - So great to have MANN back on-line!

 
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." - Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
Re: Karen DeCoster's crap quotient... (Score:2)
by frank h on Wednesday December 24, @04:51PM EST (#6)
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"A double-dose of "Beano" might set her right..."

Or a good f***ing.
Re: Karen DeCoster's crap quotient... (Score:1)
by Roy on Wednesday December 24, @07:06PM EST (#9)
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Uh Frank...

Bring a whole lotta lubricant for that ordeal....

"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear." - Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
Were you referring to me? (Score:1)
by LSBeene on Thursday December 25, @03:50AM EST (#15)
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I gotta ask:

'A double-dose of "Beano" might set her right.... '

  Were you referring to me?

I didn't know she would respond ... and it may or may NOT be pointless, but what fun. It probably is - but Gonzo has a point - Feminazi baiting is truly just something to be reveled in. Ok, time to deconstruct a falacious argument. But, in the spirit of Christmas, it will be nicely written and positive.

No, really.

No, I mean it ...

Seriously

Steven
Guerilla Gender Warfare is just Hate Speech in polite text
Yeah (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Wednesday December 24, @03:17PM EST (#2)
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I took her on my damn self. Unlike the last person who countered her, she hasn't come back with a peep to me.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/j/jensen/03/j ensen121203.htm

And you'll have to remove the space in j_ensen121203.htm
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Re:Yeah (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 24, @07:34PM EST (#11)
Isn't she one of those chivalrous, right wing femi's who like to approach the joy of the female double standard from the far "old right wing" side of the spectrum?

Ray
Re:Yeah (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Wednesday December 24, @09:46PM EST (#12)
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Um hm. Her and Amber Pawlik are two of a kind.

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one, two, three, four, five, six, ......... (Score:1)
by zenpriest on Wednesday December 24, @03:44PM EST (#3)
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Gonzo,

I kneel and kiss the ring of the acknowledged master.
Re:one, two, three, four, five, six, ......... (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Wednesday December 24, @04:50PM EST (#5)
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Easy with that hand kissing, bub. We can't have the rabble think the Unholy Trinity are poofters.


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Re:one, two, three, four, five, six, ......... (Score:1)
by zenpriest on Wednesday December 24, @06:27PM EST (#7)
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I said ring, not hand, your popeness.
Re:one, two, three, four, five, six, ......... (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Wednesday December 24, @09:48PM EST (#13)
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Pope? Who the hell made me pope?

Ratzelfritzen....$@%#^!


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Re:one, two, three, four, five, six, ......... (Score:1)
by zenpriest on Wednesday December 24, @10:36PM EST (#14)
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that will teach you to miss a meeting of the unholy trinity committee. ;)
Karen DeCoster's misandric rantings (Score:2)
by mens_issues on Wednesday December 24, @06:32PM EST (#8)
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DeCoster must get her cue from Maureen Dowd, as their writing styles are quite similar - ad hominem attacks with little substance to back them up.

Oh, and this gem:

"Oh, and this is funny, but the whiners are clueless to the evolutionary-biological reasons as to why women live longer then men. Unfair advantage!, they say. It must be because we work too hard!, they say."

What evolutionary-biological reasons? She doesn't specify them. Doesn't the sow realize that men and women had very similar life expectancies up to about 1920?

Steve

Re:Karen DeCoster's misandric rantings (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Wednesday December 24, @07:30PM EST (#10)
"...but the whiners are clueless to the evolutionary-biological reasons as to why women live longer then men."

Dear Karen Duh Coster:

Men are 99.9% of combat deaths and casualties
                94% of work deaths
                76% of homicides
                75% of suicides

Given the rotten nature of the work that men do I strongly suspect that contributes to a large amount of their death by disease (cancer, heart attack, etc.) Given the longer hours they work, likewise.

"evolutionary-biological reasons"

Let's see could that be the progressive nature of large bodies of females to sit on their butts in safe places, while letting the male slave class do most of the critical dangerous work that is known to shorten human life span? No wonder men decide to "opt out" of life (suicide). It certainly is less painful than listening to half baked femi-blowhards.

Ray
Re:Karen DeCoster's misandric rantings (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Friday December 26, @06:35PM EST (#16)
At one point in the Roman Empire, men had a longer life expectancy than women. I heard it was due to their army being kept excersized, well fed, and well trained (they almost never lost a battle in their golden age and their medicine was good).
Karen DeCoster is a menopausal harpy (Score:1)
by zenpriest on Friday December 26, @08:57PM EST (#17)
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and I wouldn't pay too much attention to her ranting and raving -- other than to regard it as evidence that the Gorgons are catching on to the fact that they have lost.

People familiar with religions other than christianity, will recognize pure raw Kali - destructiveness for the sake of destructiveness - in DeCoster's demented ravings. Dig out a copy of Bullfinch's Mythology and look up the Medusa.


Re:Karen DeCoster is a menopausal harpy (Score:2)
by Steve (simparl@aol.com) on Saturday December 27, @10:24AM EST (#18)
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Hi zenpriest,

She's a hateful individual. She also bashed the new men's domestic violence safe house in the UK.

http://www.karendecoster.com/blog/archives/000749. html

So far, the only good thing I have seen on her hateful b[itch]log is the set of photos of the little dog she had when she was a child. Nasty, vicious people like Karen "Caustic" DeCoster are a major reason I am not a conservative.

Steve
--I rejoice at the destruction of gender feminism, and I laugh at its shattered ruins.

I give her a D- (Score:1)
by jenk on Saturday December 27, @10:44PM EST (#19)
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The thing that bothers me, or perhaps humors me, is how poorly her article is written. She never at any point clearly represents what she is arguing against, and then does not set up any logical flow of thought to rebut. She rambles back and forth, first slamming men, minus blacks and 'orientals'(apparently she has not heard that the term 'oriental' is derogitory), then slamming militant feminists.

She goes on to list a few very specific examples of how women have been 'victimized', then broadly dismisses all men's issues as silly and irrelevent without actually naming what she is dismissing.

What further humors me is how egotistical this woman is. Not only does she have the whole website devoted to her own shrill writing, but then relentlessly prowls the internet in search of her own mention (which she then proudly announces on the 'I love Karen' website.)

Karen De Coster just doesn't write well enough enough for us to view as a threat. The women's movement is failing if this is who is chosen to be a spokesman.
The Biscuit Queen
nothing to say can't be well written (Score:1)
by zenpriest on Sunday December 28, @01:34AM EST (#20)
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Having nothing to say has never stopped those of her ilk from screeching it at the top of her lungs.

Think of her as the poster child for "Sometimes HRT is worth the risks."
karen decoster is not a feminist (Score:0)
by Anonymous User on Monday December 29, @03:44PM EST (#21)
she's a libertarian, and she's right. i hate hardcore meninists just as much as i hate feminists. some mens issues (family court bias, DV, etc.) are serious, but demanding laws against ladies nights? that's the kind of weak bullshit i've been seeing from feminists forever.
Re:karen decoster is not a feminist (Score:1)
by jenk on Tuesday December 30, @04:28PM EST (#22)
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She's right? I think that any bias that would be fought tooth and nail if it were reversed is worth fighting, including ladies nights. Why are there not men's nights? You can bet if there were, some woman's group somewhere would be protesting. The point is that even minor bigotry is still bigotry.

Are there men's movement extremists? Yes. Extremists get the ball rolling. Do you really think the woman's movement would be anywhere without the likes of Elizabeth Cady Stanton and others of her ilk? They too were extremists. It is up to those of us who are moderates to continue the work the extremists started and to make sure said work stays reasonable. Unfortunately, the moderates of feminism did not hold up to the latter and the newest generation of extreme feminists are pushing harder than ever, getting extreme results.

Karen Decoster is obviously against the men's movement. The poorly written article makes no real case in support of 'legitimate' men's issues, and the point, if there is one, seems to be that all men are whiners. A truly well written article disapproving of extremists yet supportive of the movement itself would have clearly shown the difference. This article failed to do so.

I certainly don't hate Ms Decoster, I just feel that sympathy I do when one of my kids thinks they are far better at something than they really are.

The Biscuit Queen
Re:karen decoster is not a feminist (Score:2)
by The Gonzo Kid (NibcpeteO@SyahPoo.AcomM) on Saturday January 03, @10:18AM EST (#23)
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she's a libertarian, and she's right. i hate hardcore meninists just as much as i hate feminists. some mens issues (family court bias, DV, etc.) are serious, but demanding laws against ladies nights? that's the kind of weak bullshit i've been seeing from feminists forever.

A libertarian? Not at all. I'm a libertarian, and Karen DeCostner doesn't even come close. The core principle of Libertarianism is rugged individualism, something that gets Karen DeCostner weak-kneed and shrill with fear.

I wish to Christ that I could go back in time and throttle the first SOB who posited that Ayn Rand was some kind of Libertarian. Ayn Rand was a tsissted and ego-centric psycho, and a prime example of someone badly in need of intensive therapy and massive doses of anti-neurotics. You want a real Libertarian Writer? Read Heinlein. Ayn Rand is a spoilt little poser, who gave birth to a "Objectivist" philosophy which is anything but, and was just a self-serving excuse for her to continue to be a social misfit.

The thing you miss is that like many you confuse the process with principles. Do you object to Ladies night or Mens nights? I certainly don't. Not in and of themselves - but I object strongly to the idea that one is okay and the other is sexist.

What you miss is that such lawsuits aare a tool to achieve an end. You threaten feminine privilege, and the removal of "Ladies Night" - WITH THE SELFSAME BULLSHIT LAWS they used to remove men's clubs and such, and the pheminuts will drop the issue like a hot potato. Want to get rid of Title IX? I say we should flood a just newly coed women's university with geeks who want a chess team, and file suits under Title IX to dismantle women's atheletics there until they are down to the level of men participating in Team sports.

Damnation, folks. Think politically. That's why we are getting our asses kicked in the political arena.

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