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"Equality" to the rad fems always means resorting to state interventions and (ultimately) myriad imposed taxpayer-funded entitlements to guarantee equality of OUTCOMES, not equality of OPPORTUNITY.
This is an ideology of mass social and individually imposed incapacitation... i.e. "tying sandbags" around the heels of the achievers, so that the "victims" can excel.
It goes without saying that equality of outcomes is unattainable (except, perhaps, in the lovingly realized utopia of North Korea where everyone is equally miserable...); but the logical fallacy of such escapes the feminist mindset.
It's a neat trick though, defining equality as "making the Nanny State give me whatever you have that I want..."
And note the implied and not subtle implication that "different" = "victim" = "entitled."
As good ol' George Orwell opined ... "Pigs are different... but some are MORE different than others!"
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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I agree with the previous posts. Many of our feminist friends have no interest in equality of responsibility. Just rights and outcomes where it suits them. That stuff about special treatment to make up for genuine differences is just a rationalization for female privilege.
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"Equality" to the rad fems always means resorting to state interventions and (ultimately) myriad imposed taxpayer-funded entitlements to guarantee equality of OUTCOMES, not equality of OPPORTUNITY.
Well observed (although I suppose it should be obvious to people at large, at least by now). I recall that about a year and a half ago in australia there was a segment on a current affairs program about a bursary that was awarded only to women. When challenged about it, the woman being questioned pointed out that exact same thing - 'equality' meaning, to her, 'equality in the outcome matrix' or somesuch nonsense.
Incidentally I believe you are paraphrasing Orwell. At any rate, have a read of this.
merry christmas,
-aym
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So if we're different, why are they trying to MAKE us be the same? If we [as in, women] are special in the apparently mentally handicapped sense of the word, how come we don't have things that work for us?
Let's take this, there are a myriad of scholarships, grants, etc. etc. for female engineering students. I've had friends heavily encouraged to go for engineering, because they showed a tepid interest in math and the sciences and happened to have been born with vaginas. However, many females bow out of engineering programs, if they even apply at all, instead having much more success in english, music, drama, psychology, sociology, etc. So, of course, the solution is to make engineering classes easier, offer females more money to go into it, and make departments feel deplorable for not admitting females. Does this recognize legitimate differences? Not in the slightest, it denies women acknowledgement of their individually and natural talents in a convoluted idea of what is "fair." It should really read "recognizing genuine differences unless it involves making less money than men" or something similar. That is what it boils down to, law, engineering, medical, etc. anything that is "hard" with large financial rewards should be more restricted for men so they don't get too big a piece of the "pie." Doesn't matter if you're good or bad at it, as long as it is "fair."
If you're a female engineer, lawyer, whatever, bully for you, I don't agree with blocking someone out of a program because of what is between their legs. But that goes the same way, I don't believe blocking a guy out of the problem because he's got the wrong parts, and those quotas gotta be filled and all. :P
Merry Christmas, Hannukah, kwanza, agnostica, festivus, soltice, etc. and to all a good night.
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 25, @01:17AM EST (#4)
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Clearly it feels to these gender fem's that they are still oppressed and need more special privileges to reach equality. At the rate they are going they will soon be walking into the courthouses on sidewalks made out of men's skulls, still feeling oppressed, and demanding equality.
I feel therefore I am. It makes sense to me in a scarry, insane kind of way. One thing I feel I have learned without a doubt about the militant feminist movement's hard won gains is that, to them, "Enough will never be enough."
Ray
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I really liked the brilliant insight behind comment #17 -- that all so-called feminist scholarship with its "special" contributions to academic discourse can be subsumed under the established field of anthropology!
Hey, maybe we could just "redefine" their vileness out of existence by insisting that all Womynz Studies programs be absorbed back into the greater curriculum as a trivial, marginal, and self-extinguishing aspect of the anthropological enterprise....
Nah, that would be just more evidence of male oppression... seeking to properly categorize the lunatic behavior of the very "best minds" representing the "fairer" gender!
I would like to see a college course titled "Feminism Unmasked: A Study of Contemporary Primitive Ideology and its Eternal Discontents!"
"It's a terrible thing ... living in fear."
- Roy: hunted replicant, Blade Runner
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 25, @02:49PM EST (#8)
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"Feminism Unmasked:
That gives me an idea for next Halloween.
Ray
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by Anonymous User on Thursday December 25, @01:22AM EST (#5)
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Female/feminist privilege checklist:
1. Do you experience other people paying for your dates, or occasionally even picking up the tab in non-romantic settings? Or paying for vacations when the relationship moves along?
2. Do you occasionally experience subservient gestures by the opposite sex (opening doors, giving up a seat in the bus, standing up when you come in the room)?
3. Are you able to simply pursue what you are interested in at university without much societal pressure on "breadwinning" - although you could also take that route if it interests you?
4. Have you had to register for selective service? Would you be ripped out of your life and forced to defend your country in time of attack or national emergency? Can you demand strength and full participation in society, but then get out of this obligation by pretending to be weak with no influence over society (only when it suits you)?
4.b. Can you come up with any and every excuse to get out of this without being laughed at ("No one should be drafted" - when you would be the first to cower in the corner and demand that someone do something if China & Russia combined and attacked full force - and "If men start wars ..." when women are the majority of voters and the expression is more likely "Men are SENT in wars ..." - exactly what you're trying to get out of - and sometimes sent by M. Thatcher, G. Meir, I. Gandhi, B. Bhutto and others).
5. Will you statistically get a much lighter sentence for exactly the same offense if you commit a crime?
6. Are you able to take on a job or choose a career route that is only capable of supporting yourself, with no thought to preparing yourself to also support a spouse/children, although you are also free to choose a more difficult career that will bring you more money? Do you not have much pressure on you with regard to this?
7. If you are in a committed relationship, do you have much greater flexibility to choose whether you want to work or simply stay at home (even without kids)?
8. Will you be called an unemployed loser if you decide to be a homemaker?
9. If you have a flat tire on the road, if someone is harassing you in a public place, if an animal attacks you, or if you are lost, will someone be much, much more likely to help you?
10. Are people generally much nicer to you in public? Are you sometimes given privileged treatment?
11. Are you much more capable of "marrying up" - enjoying the money and status that comes with this?
12. Are you statistically much more likely to be given money in a divorce - sometimes huge amounts - even if your behavior caused the divorce (e.g. affair) and even if you didn't work for the money?
13. If you slap a person - or even knock someone's tooth out throwing your Aunt Selma's Christmas mug at that person - is it much more likely to just be viewed as cute, understandable or not a problem?
14. Do you statistically live much longer - possibly due to less stress on you with regard to breadwinning, providing protection, being responsible, not having society viewing you as "expendable" or viewing your problems as not being important?
15. Do you have much more money spent on your health concerns in reality (e.g. 5 times as much on breast cancer as on prostate cancer - although they have roughly the same death rates) while you simultaneously claim that more has to be done for you?
16. Are you much less likely to be homeless? Is more offered to you by society when you are in this position?
17. Is there far less scorn and pressure on you by society when you are an irresponsible doofball? Are your default rates for payment of child support roughly twice those of the other gender, while you simultaneously complain about the other gender not paying?
18. Has whining about and hating the other gender actually been made into a course of studies in college (women's studies) - as opposed to the true, neutral, unbiased study of this topic - which is simply anthropology?
19. Do you have full opportunity to do anything you want in life - become a doctor, a lawyer, start a business - while simultaneously using the fact that many of your gender don't CHOOSE themselves to do these things as an argument to try to gain even more advantages? Do you get affirmative action because many of your gender don't choose to do these things, and thus the numbers don't "come out right"?
20. Can you manipulate the other gender with sex in some cases to get what you want? Can you pretend like you don't even know what anyone is talking about on this topic?
21. Can you manipulate using old notions of men protecting and deferring to women when it comes in handy?
22. Can you effectively manipulate by playing the victim? Do tears work sometimes?
23. Can you get sympathy if you don't work and don't have children by listing all the household work (hmm ... Oprah really does get high ratings, though) while simultaneously being able to bear the cognitive dissonance of calling your sister's husband who stays home a worthless bum that she ought to leave?
24. Can you "mix and match" traditional and progressive roles - finding just the right mix to get what you want? Can you be a "traditional wife" - enjoying the positive features of that (like not having to work) - while simultaneously being a progressive feminist when THAT gets you advantages? Or having a career while simultaneously using traditional chivalry and male deference to your advantage?
25. Can you constantly say "that's just typical" and "it doesn't surprise me a bit" and make a lemon face if you are a parent-in-law? Is near-universal contempt by both genders for your behavior hidden to a much greater extent?
26. Can almost any remark by your partner be construed as verbal abuse if you want sympathy, but the meanest, nastiest, most humiliating things that you can say simply involve "speaking your mind" and "some people just don't want to hear the truth"?
27. Can you use the fact that gender roles were differentiated long ago - with different advantages/disadvantages for both genders - to try to induce guilt today in people who had absolutely no connection with any of that? Can you say that you have been discriminated against for thousands of years - when you're only 20 years old - with a straight face? Can you even make things up about history and no one will really check or dare call you on it?
28. Can you propagate myths and outright lies ("Superbowl/domestic violence hoax", "rule of thumb", 1/4 rape statistic, intentional misconstrual of pay figures, and many more) and be given a "pass" - without more rigor being demanded?
29. Can you rationalize your own failures using the concept of the "patriarchy", and blame the other gender for nearly everything that goes wrong in your life - even with quite contorted explanations that no one would otherwise buy - while failures of the other gender are just ... failures?
30. Do you want to be treated like a child when it suits you but as an adult when you get an advantage from that? Do you "look the other way" when someone doesn't require responsibility from you that they certainly would from the other gender?
31. Can you focus heavily on perceived earnings in the workforce - the statistics of which are influenced by people's choices in reality - while utterly ignoring the inter-family transfer of wealth? Can you completely ignore the fact that one gender picks tougher jobs (garbage collector), works more hours and takes on more responsibility because of more pressure to earn - but the other gender has the same lifestyle and statistically more assets (and not just because of inheritance/earlier age of male at death....). Can you deliberately claim that earnings figures are based on equal pay for equal work? (when you probably full well know that they simply involve all people working more than 35 hours - and don't take type of job, hours worked over 35/week, danger, responsibility, years in the work force etc. into consideration at all).
32. Is what used to simply be an irritation for grown-ups many years ago - the self-centered rantings and foot stompings of spoiled high-school and college brats - now not only embraced by your movement but almost the modern cornerstone of it?
33. And if you irritated about generalizations and stereotypes ---- and utterly fail to see the hypocrisy in stereotyping and generalizing about one gender while simultaneously making a career (literally in some cases) whining about your own gender being stereotyped ...
... you may have female/feminist privilege! But don't let on - because you can gain much more with a continual victim status.
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I believe that if one takes a few steps back from the idividual idiotic statements made by feminists, and try to look at the behavior of the group as a whole, that it would become obvious that feminism is Borderline Personality Disorder being acted out publicly in the realm of politics.
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by Anonymous User on Saturday December 27, @02:38AM EST (#10)
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That statement hit squarely in the bullseye, or is it the cowseye in this case?
Ray
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